| about the new investors 19:42 - Mar 1 with 4942 views | jakedwd |
last night about the investment. If 500k
goes to Simon and 500k to the potentially to
the council then that's only 1mil for the club.
how long will that last us? Just cautious as we
are selling all our club. I think we should know
the other investment options? Playing devils advocate but have these people
even been to Rochdale or the club? I've heard
rumours that there was different Americans
that visited over 2-3 weeks ago? What
happened to them???? Just very cautious about these people making
an offer on something they've never seen. I understand what we have been told is that
there's no more options. But what happened
to the multiple investors that was interested? gauge was looking shaky every time a question leaned towards this. [Post edited 1 Mar 19:43]
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| about the new investors on 19:49 - Mar 1 with 4886 views | kel |
Is that you Tazzy? |  | | |
| about the new investors on 19:59 - Mar 1 with 4809 views | isitme |
| about the new investors on 19:49 - Mar 1 by kel |
Is that you Tazzy? |
You're diluted! |  | | |
| about the new investors on 23:07 - Mar 1 with 4366 views | DaleiLama |
| about the new investors on 19:59 - Mar 1 by isitme |
You're diluted! |
Thought that was our shareholdings?  |  |
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| about the new investors on 23:18 - Mar 1 with 4339 views | Sandyman |
| about the new investors on 19:49 - Mar 1 by kel |
Is that you Tazzy? |
Matthew? Roger? |  | | |
| about the new investors on 08:11 - Mar 2 with 4010 views | suc |
I think you make a good point, it seems a bit like bully boy tactics. Vote this through or we go bust. But this will mean that all the existing shareholders now become useless and have no voice. Basically he is selling a club which owns a £6m asset to these people for £2m. Sounds like a good deal for the Chairman and the Americans but a bad deal for the club, the supporters and the shareholders. I would ask all shareholders to think long and hard before they vote ..WHEN ITS GONE ITS GONE! |  | | |
| about the new investors on 08:19 - Mar 2 with 3992 views | D_Alien |
| about the new investors on 08:11 - Mar 2 by suc |
I think you make a good point, it seems a bit like bully boy tactics. Vote this through or we go bust. But this will mean that all the existing shareholders now become useless and have no voice. Basically he is selling a club which owns a £6m asset to these people for £2m. Sounds like a good deal for the Chairman and the Americans but a bad deal for the club, the supporters and the shareholders. I would ask all shareholders to think long and hard before they vote ..WHEN ITS GONE ITS GONE! |
We know - there's a multitude of threads arguing this back and forth to read
The OP isn't "making a good point" but a very old one |  |
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| about the new investors on 08:32 - Mar 2 with 3950 views | jakedwd |
| about the new investors on 08:19 - Mar 2 by D_Alien |
We know - there's a multitude of threads arguing this back and forth to read
The OP isn't "making a good point" but a very old one |
Overall my point is are we definitely sure this is the only option as I think it’s acceptable that if there is any other choice we should know about it before we vote.
What happened to the other investors I’d like to know? | | | |
| about the new investors on 08:48 - Mar 2 with 3915 views | D_Alien |
| about the new investors on 08:32 - Mar 2 by jakedwd |
Overall my point is are we definitely sure this is the only option as I think it’s acceptable that if there is any other choice we should know about it before we vote.
What happened to the other investors I’d like to know? |
Yes, we know...
Due to financial pressures, we've run out of road. I've argued the same point, as others have
We know it's not right for it to be happening this way, i've used the term "railroaded" but the time has truly run out and it's time to vote (if you have one) | |
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| about the new investors on 10:31 - Mar 2 with 3691 views | Dalenet |
| about the new investors on 08:11 - Mar 2 by suc |
I think you make a good point, it seems a bit like bully boy tactics. Vote this through or we go bust. But this will mean that all the existing shareholders now become useless and have no voice. Basically he is selling a club which owns a £6m asset to these people for £2m. Sounds like a good deal for the Chairman and the Americans but a bad deal for the club, the supporters and the shareholders. I would ask all shareholders to think long and hard before they vote ..WHEN ITS GONE ITS GONE! |
The existing shareholders are no more useless than they will be if the club is liquidated. If there is no cash left then that will happen. We have had 18 months for a richer supporter or a Mr Rochdale to come along. We had a game last week when nobody turned up to show support. Lets be clear - not many people beyond our core really care. The 2000 fans, 500 of which have put cash in to buy shares, can't change where we are. Time has come to take the emotion out of this | | | |
| about the new investors on 11:15 - Mar 2 with 3581 views | 49thseason |
| about the new investors on 10:31 - Mar 2 by Dalenet |
The existing shareholders are no more useless than they will be if the club is liquidated. If there is no cash left then that will happen. We have had 18 months for a richer supporter or a Mr Rochdale to come along. We had a game last week when nobody turned up to show support. Lets be clear - not many people beyond our core really care. The 2000 fans, 500 of which have put cash in to buy shares, can't change where we are. Time has come to take the emotion out of this |
Selling the club to Americans is , in my view, a masterstroke. As we have found, trying to find a UK -based investor has proved virtually impossible. But, we are told that US investors are busy looking for opportunities to buy clubs in the UK and the EU. So, in the event the WSH decide to sell RAFC at some point in the future, we might assume that other US investors will be keener to do business with another US company. " Soccer" is growing exponentially in the US , there are over 800 colleges offering soccer courses most with facilities that would make the majority of UK clubs blush. The money involved is huge, hence the rapidly expanding US M&A activity in football clubs, They will take ideas, players management and coaching ideas from the UK and apply them in the US equally they will bring US and Latin American players to their clubs in the UK for development and different coaching and to test them against our native talent..
Be in no doubt, investors like the ones at Burnley, Man U, Chelsea and many others have a long term view,...what will be the value of US sports TV channels showing UK games involving US players? What are the marketing opportunities for US companies moving into the UK? These people have experience, contacts and undoubtedly a plan, they are more likely to build a new ground than knock down this one. They will have access to more private and institutional equity in places like Dallas and Houston than there is in the whole of the UK and Europe combined.
For WSH and their ilk buying / investing in UK and European clubs is not just for love of the game, the little space on the front of the Man United shirt is the most expensive advertising space in the world... these investors are betting on the future of the game and we might have just have been given the opportunity to join the party.. Rochdale Cowboys... it has a ring to it!
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Native/Isos/2023/March.aspx |  | | |
| about the new investors on 11:17 - Mar 2 with 3570 views | ThreeLions |
| about the new investors on 08:11 - Mar 2 by suc |
I think you make a good point, it seems a bit like bully boy tactics. Vote this through or we go bust. But this will mean that all the existing shareholders now become useless and have no voice. Basically he is selling a club which owns a £6m asset to these people for £2m. Sounds like a good deal for the Chairman and the Americans but a bad deal for the club, the supporters and the shareholders. I would ask all shareholders to think long and hard before they vote ..WHEN ITS GONE ITS GONE! |
It will be GONE at the end of the month anyway if not voted in. What other alternative is there if we still want a club to support? Maybe the other investors that came out of the blue in the last week are just tyre kickers (where have they been the last year or so) or show no credibility straight away. These Americans seem to check out with experience in football already and a online footprint we can follow. The giving up of so much isnt great but what other choice is there. |  | | |
| about the new investors on 11:37 - Mar 2 with 3475 views | NorthernDale |
Simon, said he will not his loan out of the investment into the club and if it does go's through it will give us stability, there are some posters on here, who give me the impression that they are good old Mathew (still bitter from being told to bugger off) or our from CEO, who tried to sell us to some doggy people, or are people who wish ill-will on the club.
As it stands, we have little options open to us, so look on the positive side and hope the takeover is successful and we have a future. | | | |
| about the new investors on 11:38 - Mar 2 with 3472 views | SuddenLad |
| about the new investors on 10:31 - Mar 2 by Dalenet |
The existing shareholders are no more useless than they will be if the club is liquidated. If there is no cash left then that will happen. We have had 18 months for a richer supporter or a Mr Rochdale to come along. We had a game last week when nobody turned up to show support. Lets be clear - not many people beyond our core really care. The 2000 fans, 500 of which have put cash in to buy shares, can't change where we are. Time has come to take the emotion out of this |
"Time has come to take the emotion out of this"
Are you having a laugh? I have invested over 6 decades of emotion into this club of ours. It's been a massive part of my life and will remain so as long as I am here to keep doing so.
My shareholding means nothing in comparison, despite the amount involved being enough to pay for a bloody good expensive holiday (or whatever 'er indoors deems more appropriate  )
The thing is, the whole scenario IS about emotion, because we, as fans, are being asked to make a very difficult decision, without knowing the long term consequences of doing so.
Rumours abound about 'other interested parties'. Why are we not being offered the option to explore/assess other alternatives, which shareholders may feel are 'better options'?
It's OK keeping your cards close to your chest, but shareholders should be appraised of all the options, rather than being faced with Hobsons' Choice.
Why is this option of investor better than the others, when we don't know what the others have to offer?
It's an emotional rollercoaster and impossible to take the emotions out of it. It's like watching a much loved relative approaching the end of their days, wondering which of the medicines out there will extend their days in a meaningful way.
We should be knowing more than we do, rather than being spoon-fed one story (whether that story is good or otherwise). |  |
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| about the new investors on 12:32 - Mar 2 with 3346 views | Duckegg |
Perhaps it is the time frame that is the issue here..
I suspect that SG as been in talks with the americans for a while and now it as been agreed in principal about the so called 'A' shares and now it is down to the shareholders..
Why didnt all these so called interested parties appear at the time of MH and the other people!
It seems that the shareholders have an important decision to make....
Im not a shareholder as the first rally call to help buyshares was at the wrong time but i did register my interest with the club a few weeks ago..
Who ever purchases the club either this american group or any other party have their work cut out in raising financial revenues for the club...
SG stated about building on the land around the club tbat will be a nonstarter just like the idea of concerts at the ground..
How would I vote !
This year is my 50th year as Dale supporter and ive seen the ups and downs and now the peril of losing the club is even greater than ever......
We have no option but to vote yes on the 7th unless something crops up to steady the finances until the season ends and then takes control.
Who knows.. |  | | |
| about the new investors on 13:49 - Mar 8 with 2258 views | jakedwd |
I told you so, 1 week ago there was more to this!! | | | |
| about the new investors on 14:18 - Mar 8 with 2137 views | Brierls |
| about the new investors on 13:49 - Mar 8 by jakedwd |
I told you so, 1 week ago there was more to this!! |
What do you think you were telling people? EVERYBODY I've discussed this with knows there's more to this, that's the point! |  | | |
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