| Nicholas brayne 20:48 - Mar 8 with 7387 views | Dale85 |
Nicholas Brayne “ aka Alan partridge”
Little birdie told me he is the broker in the WSH deal
Thought I had seen him hanging around like a wet fart
If my memory serves me right he was the broker in the whole James Lawrence fiasco
Something starting to stink as well as him !!
credibility is going down the pan with WSH and fast.
Just hope our penfold “ aka Simon Gaugue “ and the rest of the board stay off the clubs free red wine this weekend( Pockney 👀) every penny counts !!!!
Big decisions to make fellas
I wonder what the comms are on this deal for Alan partridge . Who pays for the comms as well?
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| Nicholas brayne on 09:36 - Mar 9 with 2961 views | wozzrafc |
| Nicholas brayne on 08:24 - Mar 9 by TalkingSutty |
Brayne introduced a bunch of shysters to the club, the Chairman engaged with them and then blamed the fans for doing due diligence. That's not a rumour. The OP is confirming a rumour that Brayne is involved again with WSH, the fans are right to be concerned and post about it on their forum. Plenty of other fans have heard this rumour as alluded to by a previous post on here. The Chairman and anybody else who has done due diligence can either confirm or deny the rumour. If its true then shareholders should have been made aware of it prior to the vote at the EGM. [Post edited 9 Mar 8:27]
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How has he confirmed the rumour? Or do you think he actually talks to dickie birds?
Yes Simon Gauge deal with Bryce previously and I as well as you called him out on it at the AGM. We had facts then given his name was on companies house
He maybe involved this time? But we don’t know that brings the credentials of WSH into dispute. All I am saying if the there is proof whoever’s got it should produce it to the trust and do due diligence.
I said to you on Thursday don’t lose your passion, I just think we need to be measured.
Let’s judge WSH on the merits of the bid. Let’s hear from them before slating them on here.
The trust stated they had done due diligence on the individual who introduced WSH are we to doubt them?
MMS Masstrict fans have stated things have improved since WSH got involved.
If you have concerns reach out to Scott dyer directly it’s been said in other media he has responded to fans who have reached out.
Are WSH shysters I don’t know. But they might not be so let’s not scare them off. Yes be vigilant and find proof then go to town. |  | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 10:07 - Mar 9 with 2809 views | kel |
| Nicholas brayne on 08:51 - Mar 9 by RobPHolmes |
First time poster on here, though as a fan of 40 years always an interested observer of the discussions.
My user name is my name. Some will know me some won’t, but no agendas on my part just something I thought was interesting as a follow up to Talkingsutty‘s posts.
Cards on the table. I voted against the motion. I don’t hold our Chairman in particularly high esteem, and I’m very much in the camp of ‘start again as a fan owned club at lower level with a sustainable business model’. I have mates that are Dale fans and have debated this to death. We disagree on the vote and the way forward but it won’t stop us having a pint tonight.
The crux of this is the suggestion that there may be some share deals that have gone on in the background, so I will share an email conversation I had with out COO. I appointed GD as my proxy and he replied that he may not attend the EGM as there are rules in place that prohibit members of staff attending EGM’s. I checked the last share register to check the GD was indeed a shareholder and challenged him on this pointing out that as a shareholder he was 100% entitled to attend. The response I got was an interesting one, and I quote “I note the observation but assume that you must be referring to the latest confirmation statement which is June 2023. There have been numerous alterations to this in the last 8 months which will be reflected in the June 2024 submission”. I again challenged him on this and asked if he was suggesting that he had disposed of his shares in some way, but received no response.
People can interpret this how they wish. I just thought it was a pretty interesting conversation given what has subsequently allegedly come to light.
Happy to share a screenshot of the email, if someone can tell me how to do it ! |
That’s odd because the last EGM I attended, Delves was taking names on the register on entry. There was also another member of staff in attendance who was given shares by Bottomley.
Welcome by the way. [Post edited 9 Mar 10:08]
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| Nicholas brayne on 10:22 - Mar 9 with 2743 views | TalkingSutty |
| Nicholas brayne on 08:51 - Mar 9 by RobPHolmes |
First time poster on here, though as a fan of 40 years always an interested observer of the discussions.
My user name is my name. Some will know me some won’t, but no agendas on my part just something I thought was interesting as a follow up to Talkingsutty‘s posts.
Cards on the table. I voted against the motion. I don’t hold our Chairman in particularly high esteem, and I’m very much in the camp of ‘start again as a fan owned club at lower level with a sustainable business model’. I have mates that are Dale fans and have debated this to death. We disagree on the vote and the way forward but it won’t stop us having a pint tonight.
The crux of this is the suggestion that there may be some share deals that have gone on in the background, so I will share an email conversation I had with out COO. I appointed GD as my proxy and he replied that he may not attend the EGM as there are rules in place that prohibit members of staff attending EGM’s. I checked the last share register to check the GD was indeed a shareholder and challenged him on this pointing out that as a shareholder he was 100% entitled to attend. The response I got was an interesting one, and I quote “I note the observation but assume that you must be referring to the latest confirmation statement which is June 2023. There have been numerous alterations to this in the last 8 months which will be reflected in the June 2024 submission”. I again challenged him on this and asked if he was suggesting that he had disposed of his shares in some way, but received no response.
People can interpret this how they wish. I just thought it was a pretty interesting conversation given what has subsequently allegedly come to light.
Happy to share a screenshot of the email, if someone can tell me how to do it ! |
It will be interesting to see if any names have been added to the shareholders list prior or since the EGM vote. That vote needs to be legally challenged anyway and it will be. |  | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 10:37 - Mar 9 with 2681 views | Duckegg |
When SG stated what he did at the EGM he should have been challenged there and then and imo by the trust as im sure many of the shareholders present are members..
SG has to go as that rhetoric on the night shows what type of person he actually is.. |  | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:18 - Mar 9 with 2526 views | kel |
| Nicholas brayne on 06:44 - Mar 9 by rochedale |
Everything you have written there is 100% spot on. I’ve never met Brayne and have no idea of his character and whether he’s a good’n or a bad’n, but given the fact he brokered the last deal with those fraudsters including the American hedge fund owner, James Lawrence, who was actually a mechanic from Preston, doesn’t bode too well.
WSH could be a great deal for us, it really could, but I do believe this second deal will be much better. We need to make this second deal happen, not sure how as fans we do that, but we do.
Simon, you’ll still get your money back, but you need to do what’s best for the club please, not just what suits your family. |
Didn’t you converse with him on LinkedIn last time and sing his praises on here? I may have that wrong but it’s somewhere in the back of my mind. Not got time to dig out any particular posts at the moment but it would be good if you could clarify.
Edit - I believe said threads may have been deleted due to legal implications for the moderators but I’m fairly sure you did. [Post edited 9 Mar 11:25]
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| Nicholas brayne on 11:20 - Mar 9 with 2518 views | wozzrafc |
| Nicholas brayne on 09:36 - Mar 9 by wozzrafc |
How has he confirmed the rumour? Or do you think he actually talks to dickie birds?
Yes Simon Gauge deal with Bryce previously and I as well as you called him out on it at the AGM. We had facts then given his name was on companies house
He maybe involved this time? But we don’t know that brings the credentials of WSH into dispute. All I am saying if the there is proof whoever’s got it should produce it to the trust and do due diligence.
I said to you on Thursday don’t lose your passion, I just think we need to be measured.
Let’s judge WSH on the merits of the bid. Let’s hear from them before slating them on here.
The trust stated they had done due diligence on the individual who introduced WSH are we to doubt them?
MMS Masstrict fans have stated things have improved since WSH got involved.
If you have concerns reach out to Scott dyer directly it’s been said in other media he has responded to fans who have reached out.
Are WSH shysters I don’t know. But they might not be so let’s not scare them off. Yes be vigilant and find proof then go to town. |
I have just had it confirmed that the individual who was mentioned in the trust statement :
“ With regards the named person we had looked into, he has acted to introduce WSH to Rochdale. There is no fee involved for him. Currently, he is not active at WSH but this may change.”
Was NOT Nicholas Brayne.
I will take that on merit from the trust. | | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:30 - Mar 9 with 2413 views | D_Alien |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:20 - Mar 9 by wozzrafc |
I have just had it confirmed that the individual who was mentioned in the trust statement :
“ With regards the named person we had looked into, he has acted to introduce WSH to Rochdale. There is no fee involved for him. Currently, he is not active at WSH but this may change.”
Was NOT Nicholas Brayne.
I will take that on merit from the trust. |
Great clarification
That might well suggest the OP was made in 'bad faith', to try and sow division
Whether or not that can be ascertained, we must all be aware that there's 'bad actors' out there and simply question motivations, especially from new posters who don't respond when questioned
Some fans may be turning up at the COA even more determined to take issue with SG, over and above the problems he's brought on himself by his ill-judged comments |  |
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| Nicholas brayne on 11:48 - Mar 9 with 2309 views | wozzrafc |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:30 - Mar 9 by D_Alien |
Great clarification
That might well suggest the OP was made in 'bad faith', to try and sow division
Whether or not that can be ascertained, we must all be aware that there's 'bad actors' out there and simply question motivations, especially from new posters who don't respond when questioned
Some fans may be turning up at the COA even more determined to take issue with SG, over and above the problems he's brought on himself by his ill-judged comments |
100% agreed we should take these bidders on their merits and see what they have to say.
How can we make an informed opinion based on a statement and some rumour. [Post edited 9 Mar 12:26]
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| Nicholas brayne on 12:36 - Mar 9 with 2130 views | tony_roch975 |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:48 - Mar 9 by wozzrafc |
100% agreed we should take these bidders on their merits and see what they have to say.
How can we make an informed opinion based on a statement and some rumour. [Post edited 9 Mar 12:26]
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Agreed. I've no idea about the credentials of any potential investor, I'm depending on the Trust to judge that but I have to admit to a feeling of deja vu about the line now being taken on here - reminds me of the arguments for the 2nd Brexit Referendum by the folk who lost that vote. | |
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| Nicholas brayne on 13:01 - Mar 9 with 2026 views | Denise_V_Courtnell |
| Nicholas brayne on 12:36 - Mar 9 by tony_roch975 |
Agreed. I've no idea about the credentials of any potential investor, I'm depending on the Trust to judge that but I have to admit to a feeling of deja vu about the line now being taken on here - reminds me of the arguments for the 2nd Brexit Referendum by the folk who lost that vote. |
Well well well. Here you go again. You aint learnt nothin you lot have you. I think you all should be cautious about what's happening. I'm hearing all kinds of sh*t happening at your EGM. Well respected previous board members being totally disrespected and their offer of help refused point blank. Heard he was one of your top men as well. Chairman issuing threats of which way to vote. That's not good.
I also hear that this Brayne's name is circulating again, or perhaps he never went away. Didn't he bring some fraudsters to your door? Heard he was promised a seat on the board. Who knows he may be part of your current deal and be on your board next year with your Gauge geezer and your man who misled the EFL. That's what I'm hearing. But you're right, lets see what unfolds and don't tie yourselves up with rumour.
I also read with interest the post from a Mr. Holmes and some dodgy stuff going on with shares and registers. I wonder who else has been given some shares then in the last year?
You expecting any impending board resignations? Interesting times ahead and if any of this had have happened in 2021, you'd have been all over this.
Brexit, sour grapes, conspiracy theories? Time will tell. | | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 13:13 - Mar 9 with 1969 views | DorkingDale |
| Nicholas brayne on 05:25 - Mar 9 by TalkingSutty |
I believe this to be true and Brayne is brokering this deal with WSH. The same Brayne who nearly stitched Gauge and the club up a couple of months ago with a bunch of shysters. Brayne will join the board of Directors, Gauge will get a chunk of his money back and will remain in place to continue running the club. Brayne will also get his commission for brokering the deal. WSH get the club on the cheap. Gauge was gutted when the fans exposed Brayne and his merry men, he blamed the collapse of the deal on the fans remember. Come on everybody, wake up please and for god sake stop believing what Gauge tells you. I voted 'no' at the EGM because I don't trust him when it comes to selling the club to investors. He's got a vested interest and shouldn't be doing the negotiations. Nobody knows what promises and agreements have been done in the background to reimburse other people's shares neither. I think thats a very important point, too many big investors keeping quiet and allowing Gauge to do a deal, a fella who nearly cocked up just a couple of months ago.
This needs to be led by the Trust and other individuals with no vested financial interest. If people want to refuse to believe that the Chairman wouldn't involve himself with the likes of Brayne again and his priority is the football club first then that's up to them..it's bloody naive though and I thought we'd learned lessons as a fan base after the Bottomley fiasco. Other investors have now come forward and of course they will do their due diligence on the club and the Chairman etc, they will also do due diligence on the competition and other investors in the process. That in itself often sorts the wheat from the Chaff out and maybe that's what we are now seeing with this thread? It will all come out of the wash though, it always does and then individuals have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Chairman who openly threaten and use words or menace to shareholders at a EGM in order to coerce them into voting a certain way is also illegal and that's something that will be pursued now. It's even more serious and a criminal offence if it's proved that the Chairman and others are to receive monetary gain as a result of the outcome of the vote. That will also be persued by shareholders and other agencies. The EGM should have been stopped at that point and the result of the vote should now be declared null and void. The Trust should have intervened following his ridiculous address. He should know better, the fans wont just let him do what he wants with the club. I would again suggest that the Trust call a EGM next week with a view to removing Gauge from his position and also other Directors, a vote of no confidence in any of them is now required. [Post edited 9 Mar 7:12]
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And who do you propose to replace the current Board? Is this proposal going to be actioned in the next 2 weeks, together with approving a deal? If not, who is going to pay the wages at the end of the month? | | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 13:33 - Mar 9 with 1888 views | Brierls |
| Nicholas brayne on 11:30 - Mar 9 by D_Alien |
Great clarification
That might well suggest the OP was made in 'bad faith', to try and sow division
Whether or not that can be ascertained, we must all be aware that there's 'bad actors' out there and simply question motivations, especially from new posters who don't respond when questioned
Some fans may be turning up at the COA even more determined to take issue with SG, over and above the problems he's brought on himself by his ill-judged comments |
There are also ‘disgruntled actors’, which I fully understand.
Don’t believe everything you hear. Unless you want to believe it, in which case believe what you hear. That’s the message it seems.
Wozz’s post above is spot on…judge these potential investors on their own merits.
WSH look more credible than TFC from the Googling I’ve done. That’s based on what any of us can see in the public domain, not what SG or anybody else has said. Due diligence should put a lot more meat on the bones of both WSH and TFC.
WSH. They have been through this process before and are still very much involved with MVV Maastricht. I don’t know where the money comes from for Dale, but they do have experience.
TFC. We all want wealthy owners with good intentions who will plough cash into Dale. The main man works at a company that is owned by the chap that owns Miami Dolphins. I work for a company who’s owner is absolutely wadded but I’m not in a position to buy a football club.
FWIW I think Nicholas Brayne’s job is to identify and introduce potential investment. Lawrance et al was a shocker, it doesn’t mean WSH are the same.
Any purchase/takeover has to bring a new Chairman and BoD. There is far too much division under the current model. |  | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 14:02 - Mar 9 with 1790 views | D_Alien |
| Nicholas brayne on 10:22 - Mar 9 by TalkingSutty |
It will be interesting to see if any names have been added to the shareholders list prior or since the EGM vote. That vote needs to be legally challenged anyway and it will be. |
I've been one of the most vocal in calling out the club's inability to inform all shareholders with due notifications, which suggests an ill-maintained register. They've had time enough (many months) to rectify this, and i queried it ahead of last Thursday's meeting too
However... i saw nothing at the meeting which suggests the vote could be successfully challenged, at least not without full and expensive legal recourse
The first action of any interested parties should a challenge be made would almost certainly be to withdraw their LOIs, upon which liquidation would follow
Do i like this situation? Do i hell. But a legal challenge? Really?
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| Nicholas brayne on 14:16 - Mar 9 with 1721 views | Brierls |
| Nicholas brayne on 10:22 - Mar 9 by TalkingSutty |
It will be interesting to see if any names have been added to the shareholders list prior or since the EGM vote. That vote needs to be legally challenged anyway and it will be. |
Donald Trump vibes. | | | |
| Nicholas brayne on 14:22 - Mar 9 with 1685 views | James1980 |
| Nicholas brayne on 14:16 - Mar 9 by Brierls |
Donald Trump vibes. |
Is the town hall going to be stormed | |
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| Nicholas brayne on 14:48 - Mar 9 with 1577 views | kel |
| Nicholas brayne on 13:01 - Mar 9 by Denise_V_Courtnell |
Well well well. Here you go again. You aint learnt nothin you lot have you. I think you all should be cautious about what's happening. I'm hearing all kinds of sh*t happening at your EGM. Well respected previous board members being totally disrespected and their offer of help refused point blank. Heard he was one of your top men as well. Chairman issuing threats of which way to vote. That's not good.
I also hear that this Brayne's name is circulating again, or perhaps he never went away. Didn't he bring some fraudsters to your door? Heard he was promised a seat on the board. Who knows he may be part of your current deal and be on your board next year with your Gauge geezer and your man who misled the EFL. That's what I'm hearing. But you're right, lets see what unfolds and don't tie yourselves up with rumour.
I also read with interest the post from a Mr. Holmes and some dodgy stuff going on with shares and registers. I wonder who else has been given some shares then in the last year?
You expecting any impending board resignations? Interesting times ahead and if any of this had have happened in 2021, you'd have been all over this.
Brexit, sour grapes, conspiracy theories? Time will tell. |
Probably best you concern yourself with how the ‘quote’ and ‘reply’ buttons work, poppet. | | | |
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