| Stadium news 16:32 - Aug 6 with 9701 views | 442Dale |
“@bbcradiomanc: 1/2 Great interview with @officiallydale manager Keith Hill this morning,he says they've made an offer to buy back Spotland - Denehurst...”
“@bbcradiomanc: 2/2 Stadium Company give their reaction to Allan Beswick tomorrow morning between 730 and 8am @officiallydale #rafc”
Could be interesting now it's in the public domain... |  |
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| Stadium news on 18:02 - Aug 7 with 1902 views | MoonyDale |
| Stadium news on 17:54 - Aug 7 by Dale1940 |
He watches football , rugby league and cricket, but mostly football, as he is a season ticket holder at Burnley. |
He may well be but those who have had contact with him know which team he would choose if it came to a choice between Hornets and us..... |  |
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| Stadium news on 18:12 - Aug 7 with 1856 views | Dale1940 |
| Stadium news on 18:02 - Aug 7 by MoonyDale |
He may well be but those who have had contact with him know which team he would choose if it came to a choice between Hornets and us..... |
He certainly watches far more football than rugby, , and I wouldnt bet on which team he would choose, I also speak to him most weeks. |  | | |
| Stadium news on 18:12 - Aug 7 with 1855 views | 442Dale |
| Stadium news on 17:49 - Aug 7 by love_the_dale |
From the club statement of 7th April 2014
http://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/article/clubstatement-07.04.14-1472444.aspx
"Chairman Chris Dunphy has confirmed that Rochdale AFC have made an offer to buy the shares held by Rochdale Metropolitan Borough Council (RMBC) and the Rugby League in an effort to secure the future of Spotland Stadium for both Rochdale Football Club and Rochdale Hornets." and
“We are also in advanced negotiations with the council to take over their shares and the debt, in order to allow us to develop the ground and ensure Spotland is the home of Rochdale Football Club for the next hundred years."
From Radio Manchester this morning -
Mr. Brett: "This is the first I've heard of it. Nobody's made me an offer. Nobody's talked to me, but I'm very willing to talk to anybody.
"If Rochdale Football Club have come up with a plan, I suggest they get in touch with me as soon as possible and start talking.
"My view at the moment is that I want two professional clubs working together and working in the town. I want Rochdale to be represented in football and rugby league professionally and working for the town."
Shouldn't someone have informed Mr. Brett about the offer? [Post edited 7 Aug 2014 17:50]
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This is what mystifies the most.
How could anyone involved with the Stadium Company not be aware of the current state of play? | |
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| Stadium news on 18:29 - Aug 7 with 1792 views | ColDale |
| Stadium news on 18:12 - Aug 7 by 442Dale |
This is what mystifies the most.
How could anyone involved with the Stadium Company not be aware of the current state of play? |
at a push, Brett was appointed to the Stadium Company in June following the change of leadership in the Council. The bids have been over the course of the past year, and there may not have been a bid since June, therefore its not news.
Which calls into question his suitability for the role if he hasn't bothered to find out what's been happening with the Stadium Company in the past year.
Equally, he could have been reacting to the news as if there had been a fresh bid this week, but the way he portrayed himself on the radio suggested that had never been a bid, which we know is not the case. If he's deliberately ignored the attempts by the football club in the past year to create an illusion of no bid at all, again his position is to be questioned.
I still cannot fathom how after his previous handling of the Stadium Company he was deemed to be suitable for the position. |  | | |
| Stadium news on 18:47 - Aug 7 with 1736 views | D_Alien |
| Stadium news on 18:12 - Aug 7 by 442Dale |
This is what mystifies the most.
How could anyone involved with the Stadium Company not be aware of the current state of play? |
Lets just say it - he's either incompetent or a liar.
Probably both. |  |
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| Stadium news on 19:10 - Aug 7 with 1675 views | nordenblue |
| Stadium news on 18:47 - Aug 7 by D_Alien |
Lets just say it - he's either incompetent or a liar.
Probably both. |
Someone like Vespa will pop along shortly and tell us how competent the rugby clubs been ran and all things are smelling of roses from their point of view | | | |
| Stadium news on 19:11 - Aug 7 with 1675 views | TalkingSutty |
| Stadium news on 18:47 - Aug 7 by D_Alien |
Lets just say it - he's either incompetent or a liar.
Probably both. |
Plenty of people around the borough know all about Brett, not a particularly nice individual and i personally wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him.
He does what is best for himself and feathers his own nest, all he will do is muddy the waters. He shouldn't have any involvement going off his past history. |  | | |
| Stadium news on 20:55 - Aug 7 with 1550 views | MoonyDale |
| Stadium news on 19:11 - Aug 7 by TalkingSutty |
Plenty of people around the borough know all about Brett, not a particularly nice individual and i personally wouldn't trust him as far as i could throw him.
He does what is best for himself and feathers his own nest, all he will do is muddy the waters. He shouldn't have any involvement going off his past history. |
That pretty much sums him up perfectly.... | |
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| Stadium news on 20:58 - Aug 7 with 1544 views | MoonyDale |
| Stadium news on 18:12 - Aug 7 by Dale1940 |
He certainly watches far more football than rugby, , and I wouldnt bet on which team he would choose, I also speak to him most weeks. |
Well if you were to bet and you bet on him choosing Dale you would lose..... | |
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| Stadium news on 06:36 - Aug 8 with 1375 views | DiddyDave |
We discussed this last year for a good while,re who does the Stadium Company owe the 600k to,and nobody seemed to know,so nothing has changed there. Typical council business though,they don`t give a shit cos it`s not their money,but maybe Chris Dunphy knows and I`d go with his ideas as he seems to be no mug. Looking at the clubs who`ve sold their grounds and renting them back,it all seems bad,Coventry a prime example,so owning your own midden seems the only way to go. As long as Hill stays in charge in the long term with his continuing plans for the footballing side of the club,the future looks very bright,though Dale might struggle this year from what he`s said the other day. So on the brink of another campaign, | | | |
| Stadium news on 06:39 - Aug 8 with 1374 views | DiddyDave |
We discussed this last year for a good while,re who does the Stadium Company owe the 600k to,and nobody seemed to know,so nothing has changed there. Typical council business though,they don`t give a shit cos it`s not their money,but maybe Chris Dunphy knows and I`d go with his ideas as he seems to be no mug. Looking at the clubs who`ve sold their grounds and renting them back,it all seems bad,Coventry a prime example,so owning your own midden seems the only way to go. As long as Hill stays in charge in the long term with his continuing plans for the footballing side of the club,the future looks very bright,though Dale might struggle this year from what he`s said the other day. So on the brink of another campaign,I`d like to wish Dale all the best for the season ahead,and hope they can stay in the division at the very least. Keep the faith in messrs Dunphy and Hill. | | | |
| Stadium news on 11:01 - Aug 8 with 1220 views | 49thseason |
Its possible that a chunk of the money owed by the Stadium Company is actually owed to Rochdale AFC Ltd. If the football club has been putting extra cash into the SC, perhaps to make up for a shortfall from Hornets or the RL, it may well have been via loans, repayable at a date to be agreed.
If I were in Chris Dunphy's shoes I certainly would not simply pump money into another company without some sort of expectation of repayment at a future date. So the debt may not be as bad if the football club takes it on as the SC accounts suggest. |  | | |
| Stadium news on 11:07 - Aug 8 with 1207 views | judd |
| Stadium news on 11:01 - Aug 8 by 49thseason |
Its possible that a chunk of the money owed by the Stadium Company is actually owed to Rochdale AFC Ltd. If the football club has been putting extra cash into the SC, perhaps to make up for a shortfall from Hornets or the RL, it may well have been via loans, repayable at a date to be agreed.
If I were in Chris Dunphy's shoes I certainly would not simply pump money into another company without some sort of expectation of repayment at a future date. So the debt may not be as bad if the football club takes it on as the SC accounts suggest. |
Has the SC debt anything to do with a mortgage or council loan? [Post edited 8 Aug 2014 11:08]
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| Stadium news on 11:14 - Aug 8 with 1200 views | Swissdale |
The more I have thought about the ongoing stadium farce, the more bemused I am with Hornet's stance on the whole thing. From my understanding they have proven time and again they they do not have the means to own even a share of the stadium in a commercially viable fashion. Therefore, why do they continue to dig their heels in and do everything possible to disrupt the Football club's ambitions to own the ground?
Surely their best option for their own long term future would be to sell their share of the ground (for a fair price), downsize, build a stadium that is suitable for a club with a fan base of their size, with lower (manageable) maintenance costs, and be able to benefit 100% from the other revenue streams. [Post edited 8 Aug 2014 11:16]
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| Stadium news on 11:18 - Aug 8 with 1194 views | judd |
| Stadium news on 11:14 - Aug 8 by Swissdale |
The more I have thought about the ongoing stadium farce, the more bemused I am with Hornet's stance on the whole thing. From my understanding they have proven time and again they they do not have the means to own even a share of the stadium in a commercially viable fashion. Therefore, why do they continue to dig their heels in and do everything possible to disrupt the Football club's ambitions to own the ground?
Surely their best option for their own long term future would be to sell their share of the ground (for a fair price), downsize, build a stadium that is suitable for a club with a fan base of their size, with lower (manageable) maintenance costs, and be able to benefit 100% from the other revenue streams. [Post edited 8 Aug 2014 11:16]
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What have Hornets got to do with it?
They are tenants. It is the Rugby Football League Facilities Trust that hold the shares. | |
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| Stadium news on 11:20 - Aug 8 with 1160 views | Swissdale |
| Stadium news on 11:18 - Aug 8 by judd |
What have Hornets got to do with it?
They are tenants. It is the Rugby Football League Facilities Trust that hold the shares. |
Well then the same question of commercial viability applies.
If I owned a house, and the tenants refused to pay their rent, I would either get new tenants, or sell the house. | | | |
| Stadium news on 11:25 - Aug 8 with 1149 views | ColDale |
| Stadium news on 11:18 - Aug 8 by judd |
What have Hornets got to do with it?
They are tenants. It is the Rugby Football League Facilities Trust that hold the shares. |
I'm sure Hornets role is to go to the RFL and Council and say that Dale ownership would ultimately lead to the end of Hornets so please don't sell them the shares.
Have asked the question on the Hornets board - If a rent paying Hornets were guaranteed a place at Spotland (which I believe to be the case), what would be the problem with Dale owning the stadium 100%? | | | |
| Stadium news on 11:27 - Aug 8 with 1147 views | judd |
| Stadium news on 11:20 - Aug 8 by Swissdale |
Well then the same question of commercial viability applies.
If I owned a house, and the tenants refused to pay their rent, I would either get new tenants, or sell the house. |
But the football club are happy to accept a rent paying Hornets as tenants going forward at current rent rates,or so it has been reported. | |
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| Stadium news on 11:28 - Aug 8 with 1145 views | ColDale |
more details in the Ob including some great Maths
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/rochdale-dale-football-club-hornets-
From reading that, its all straight forward
We want to buy the place and happy to include Hornets
Hornets have nowt to do with it but want to stay at Spotland
The RFL are happy to sell as long as Hornets stay
The Council are happy to deal with this.
Allen Brett doesn't want to speak to the Ob.
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| Stadium news on 11:44 - Aug 8 with 1098 views | Swissdale |
| Stadium news on 11:27 - Aug 8 by judd |
But the football club are happy to accept a rent paying Hornets as tenants going forward at current rent rates,or so it has been reported. |
Well obviously we would be happy to accept any rent paying partner to help cover stadium costs. Whether hornets could be deemed as a trustworthy rent paying partner is another matter.
The question is why do hornets want to pay rent to a 10,000 capacity stadium? Surely they would be better renting somewhere cheaper and more fit for purpose? Is it a question of pride skewing their judgement?
If this latest bid fails I think it's time to open the can of worms into how the RfL acquired their shares in the stadium. I'm sure as co-owner we should have been given first preference on their shares? Id imagine a competent propert lawyer would be able to pick holes in that deal. | | | |
| Stadium news on 11:50 - Aug 8 with 1077 views | dingdangblue |
| Stadium news on 11:28 - Aug 8 by ColDale |
more details in the Ob including some great Maths
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/rochdale-dale-football-club-hornets-
From reading that, its all straight forward
We want to buy the place and happy to include Hornets
Hornets have nowt to do with it but want to stay at Spotland
The RFL are happy to sell as long as Hornets stay
The Council are happy to deal with this.
Allen Brett doesn't want to speak to the Ob.
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''We’ve come off the back of a fabulous year — we’ve made a profit, got promoted, won our first cup for 91 years and held a Rugby League World Cup match''. How exactly did Hornets 'hold a World Cup match' ? They are tenants at the stadium? |  |
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| Stadium news on 12:01 - Aug 8 with 1047 views | TVOS1907 |
| Stadium news on 11:25 - Aug 8 by ColDale |
I'm sure Hornets role is to go to the RFL and Council and say that Dale ownership would ultimately lead to the end of Hornets so please don't sell them the shares.
Have asked the question on the Hornets board - If a rent paying Hornets were guaranteed a place at Spotland (which I believe to be the case), what would be the problem with Dale owning the stadium 100%? |
Bet that went down well. |  |
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| Stadium news on 13:32 - Aug 8 with 922 views | debbiesfella |
| Stadium news on 17:46 - Aug 6 by ColDale |
From the way the club spoke the other night, there seemed to be an emphasis on the change in direction in the council since Richard Farnell took over as leader. Previously it came across as being that the RFL had been the stumbling block, and not the council. Equally, there used to be talk of a 75% majority required, which if the RFL shares came in to our ownership, the council's shareholding would be irrelevant.
The two new people on the Stadium Committee are:
Last election results
Milnrow & Newhey (Turnout 34.0%)
Allen J Brett Labour 1200
Irene Davidson Liberal Democrat 1046
Keith Taylor Conservative 402
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Healey (Turnout 35.0%)
Shaun O'Neill Labour 1251
Lee M Durrant Conservative 1137
Tom Bailey Liberal Democrat 376
Neither of them have particularly large majorities. If you live in their wards, it might be worth dropping them an email and asking them about their involvement in the Stadium Company, and what the council's views are on our attempt to purchase the RFL shares.
allen.brett@rochdale.gov.uk
shaun.o'neill@rochdale.gov.uk |
Your figures are won out of date Col, Keiran Heakin won Healey in May and he professes to be a Dale supporter. |  | | |
| Stadium news on 13:34 - Aug 8 with 914 views | isitme |
| Stadium news on 13:32 - Aug 8 by debbiesfella |
Your figures are won out of date Col, Keiran Heakin won Healey in May and he professes to be a Dale supporter. |
For some strange reason their are three councillors for each ward. Brett was not up for election this time round. |  | | |
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