| National anthem protest 11:26 - Sep 23 with 7121 views | BrighouseDale |
Interesting read about sports teams in America refusing to stand for the Star Spangled Banner. Completely understand why they're doing it, especially in deprived areas where folk worry about being shot by police every time they leave the house...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37423901 |  |
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| National anthem protest on 14:13 - Sep 23 with 5524 views | pioneer |
The words were penned by a slave owner and the third verse (rarely sung) refers to killing slaves and british troops (hirelings)
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave" |  | | |
| National anthem protest on 14:31 - Sep 23 with 5505 views | BrighouseDale |
| National anthem protest on 14:13 - Sep 23 by pioneer |
The words were penned by a slave owner and the third verse (rarely sung) refers to killing slaves and british troops (hirelings)
"No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave" |
You never know, if Trump gets voted in he may reinstate that bit? | |
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| National anthem protest on 18:42 - Sep 23 with 5368 views | DaleiLama |
It's pretty hostile over the pond at the mo from what I've read.
The political backdrop is very divisive with 2 candidates that are widely disliked and then there's race issue which is equally polarising and fuelling the discontent.
A lot of NFL players kneeled on 9/11, which didn't go down well with middle America and the emergency services. There's a big debate about binning the anthem for the reasons Pioneer pointed out, in the context of the Black lives matter campaign. Then there are comments like this:
"For every 10,000 Whites arrested for a serious crime, police kill 38 Whites.
For every 10,000 Blacks arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Blacks.
For every 10,000 Hispanics arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Hispanics.
what do all these blacks, whites and Hispanics have in common?
well, even a retard can tell you that it’s NOT race…..duh?….then it’s just got to be plain old stupidity…..yes. stupidity comes in ALL colors, races, genders, and creeds…….hmm….how does one go about protesting killing stupid people?"
It certainly seems like a powder keg and I've read predictions of "civil war" twice now in different places (see also below).
https://gma.yahoo.com/charlotte-protest-turns-violent-police-fire-tear-gas-01250
Our Brexit issues seem relatively minor in comparison to possibly electing Trump and everything else going on there at the moment? |  |
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| National anthem protest on 23:11 - Sep 23 with 5287 views | BrighouseDale |
| National anthem protest on 18:42 - Sep 23 by DaleiLama |
It's pretty hostile over the pond at the mo from what I've read.
The political backdrop is very divisive with 2 candidates that are widely disliked and then there's race issue which is equally polarising and fuelling the discontent.
A lot of NFL players kneeled on 9/11, which didn't go down well with middle America and the emergency services. There's a big debate about binning the anthem for the reasons Pioneer pointed out, in the context of the Black lives matter campaign. Then there are comments like this:
"For every 10,000 Whites arrested for a serious crime, police kill 38 Whites.
For every 10,000 Blacks arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Blacks.
For every 10,000 Hispanics arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Hispanics.
what do all these blacks, whites and Hispanics have in common?
well, even a retard can tell you that it’s NOT race…..duh?….then it’s just got to be plain old stupidity…..yes. stupidity comes in ALL colors, races, genders, and creeds…….hmm….how does one go about protesting killing stupid people?"
It certainly seems like a powder keg and I've read predictions of "civil war" twice now in different places (see also below).
https://gma.yahoo.com/charlotte-protest-turns-violent-police-fire-tear-gas-01250
Our Brexit issues seem relatively minor in comparison to possibly electing Trump and everything else going on there at the moment? |
The stuff going on in America now makes Brexit look like a big standard episode of The Archers. Hopefully it'll pass but it's frightening to ponder the scale of things should matters escalate. I just hope it doesn't act as a catalyst like the London riots a few years ago, when brainless numpties up and down the land thought it'd be an ideal time to have a stab at anarchy. | |
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| National anthem protest on 07:40 - Sep 24 with 5202 views | macro |
| National anthem protest on 18:42 - Sep 23 by DaleiLama |
It's pretty hostile over the pond at the mo from what I've read.
The political backdrop is very divisive with 2 candidates that are widely disliked and then there's race issue which is equally polarising and fuelling the discontent.
A lot of NFL players kneeled on 9/11, which didn't go down well with middle America and the emergency services. There's a big debate about binning the anthem for the reasons Pioneer pointed out, in the context of the Black lives matter campaign. Then there are comments like this:
"For every 10,000 Whites arrested for a serious crime, police kill 38 Whites.
For every 10,000 Blacks arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Blacks.
For every 10,000 Hispanics arrested for a serious crime, police kill 21 Hispanics.
what do all these blacks, whites and Hispanics have in common?
well, even a retard can tell you that it’s NOT race…..duh?….then it’s just got to be plain old stupidity…..yes. stupidity comes in ALL colors, races, genders, and creeds…….hmm….how does one go about protesting killing stupid people?"
It certainly seems like a powder keg and I've read predictions of "civil war" twice now in different places (see also below).
https://gma.yahoo.com/charlotte-protest-turns-violent-police-fire-tear-gas-01250
Our Brexit issues seem relatively minor in comparison to possibly electing Trump and everything else going on there at the moment? |
It's the unarmed people killed that causes ut to kick off and the majority of those seem to be black. |  | | |
| National anthem protest on 08:57 - Sep 24 with 5148 views | SuddenLad |
All lives matter.
Setting up protest groups to differentiate between races, colours and creeds is divisive and inevitably creates social and political disharmony.
Good job we don't use all the verses in our National Anthem. That Nicola Sturgeon would be more agitated than ever. |  |
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| National anthem protest on 11:00 - Sep 24 with 5083 views | 1mark1 |
| National anthem protest on 08:57 - Sep 24 by SuddenLad |
All lives matter.
Setting up protest groups to differentiate between races, colours and creeds is divisive and inevitably creates social and political disharmony.
Good job we don't use all the verses in our National Anthem. That Nicola Sturgeon would be more agitated than ever. |
Agree in the main about your first two paragraphs, however it is blacks that are being murdered in the main by the police, usually when unarmed, and or not threatening anyone else, so it is understandable why Black Lives Matter has been set up. There are many non blacks involved in the BLM movement in the US, and many on the streets demonstrating against the actions of the police.
BLM was set up AFTER the murders of defensless blacks, not before. |  |
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| National anthem protest (n/t) on 11:30 - Sep 24 with 5061 views | roccydaleian |
| National anthem protest on 11:00 - Sep 24 by 1mark1 |
Agree in the main about your first two paragraphs, however it is blacks that are being murdered in the main by the police, usually when unarmed, and or not threatening anyone else, so it is understandable why Black Lives Matter has been set up. There are many non blacks involved in the BLM movement in the US, and many on the streets demonstrating against the actions of the police.
BLM was set up AFTER the murders of defensless blacks, not before. |
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| National anthem protest on 11:40 - Sep 24 with 5042 views | SuddenLad |
| National anthem protest on 11:00 - Sep 24 by 1mark1 |
Agree in the main about your first two paragraphs, however it is blacks that are being murdered in the main by the police, usually when unarmed, and or not threatening anyone else, so it is understandable why Black Lives Matter has been set up. There are many non blacks involved in the BLM movement in the US, and many on the streets demonstrating against the actions of the police.
BLM was set up AFTER the murders of defensless blacks, not before. |
Equally, I'm sure you will find activists who will declare that many people are killed BY blacks and their lives matter just as much.
Who demonstrates on behalf of those victims ?
It's the gun laws in the USA that are wrong and the way they are interpreted actively encourages people to use a firearm on any occasion they see fit. That applies to all US society, including the law enforcement agencies and until the gun laws change, nothing else will. | |
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| National anthem protest on 12:02 - Sep 24 with 5027 views | KenBoon |
| National anthem protest on 11:00 - Sep 24 by 1mark1 |
Agree in the main about your first two paragraphs, however it is blacks that are being murdered in the main by the police, usually when unarmed, and or not threatening anyone else, so it is understandable why Black Lives Matter has been set up. There are many non blacks involved in the BLM movement in the US, and many on the streets demonstrating against the actions of the police.
BLM was set up AFTER the murders of defensless blacks, not before. |
To be fair, some of the victims have been armed. There's some uncomfortable discussions for those US of Stateside people to have. Clearly such discussions won't happen in the current climate. BLM fundamentally is a good thing. The "All Lives Matter" misses the point of what BLM was set up for. Sadly, as with so many grass routes movements, it's hijacked by people who harm and undermine it. Whether that be trouble causers looking for nothing but trouble, looters or middle-class white apologists after getting themselves a slice of the oppression.
However "BLM UK" or SWP as it's more traditionally called, can fook right off. What a bunch of whiny privileged professional demonstrators. They have no interest in Black Lives. They're interested in bringing down capitalism, moaning about anything for attention and free stuff. Then there's the slactivists. The dirt worst of the internet. Worse than any alt-right deadbeats, buzzfeed feminists, football banter-ists or shit posting gamergaters.
Shame on the Greens for attempting to give BLM UK's idiotic demonstration at London City Airport some credit. Such a laughable protest that they were let off with a slap on the wrists. Utterly damaging for people who actually care about climate change. As for trying to involve race in it... just f**k off. BLM UK's (SWP's) narrative just falls apart when applied to facts in the UK. BAME (hate that outdated phrase but the grauniad uses it so it must be fine) persons have it better than non-bame (whites) when it comes to the police and deaths.
There are so many legitimate causes for folk to protest about, yet they'd rather slactivise american things (in solidarity AKA laziness) or just copy them and not even think enough to create a proper British narrative. |  | | |
| National anthem protest (n/t) on 12:08 - Sep 24 with 5020 views | KenBoon |
I'm not disputing some of his points and there's video to back it up, but Paul Joseph Watson - Sheffield's own version of Alex Jones (not the welsh one show one) - is a conspiracy theorist. It doesn't mean everything he says is bollocks but the guy can be out there. I confess to subscribing to him on YouTube. He is hilarious. Permanently triggered. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 12:10 - Sep 24 with 5016 views | 1mark1 |
| National anthem protest on 11:40 - Sep 24 by SuddenLad |
Equally, I'm sure you will find activists who will declare that many people are killed BY blacks and their lives matter just as much.
Who demonstrates on behalf of those victims ?
It's the gun laws in the USA that are wrong and the way they are interpreted actively encourages people to use a firearm on any occasion they see fit. That applies to all US society, including the law enforcement agencies and until the gun laws change, nothing else will. |
Yes I agree that there are victims of Black murderers who deserve to be remembered and supported. I support demonstrating against all gun violence. It is a truly awful society that puts the right to own a gun ahead of innocent lives, which America does. | |
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| National anthem protest on 12:11 - Sep 24 with 5016 views | ColDale |
| National anthem protest on 11:40 - Sep 24 by SuddenLad |
Equally, I'm sure you will find activists who will declare that many people are killed BY blacks and their lives matter just as much.
Who demonstrates on behalf of those victims ?
It's the gun laws in the USA that are wrong and the way they are interpreted actively encourages people to use a firearm on any occasion they see fit. That applies to all US society, including the law enforcement agencies and until the gun laws change, nothing else will. |
Their gun laws are a joke but there is a difference between killing by criminals and killings by those paid to enforce the law. The stats are incomparable with any other civilised country. |  | | |
| National anthem protest on 12:20 - Sep 24 with 4998 views | Shun |
| National anthem protest on 12:02 - Sep 24 by KenBoon |
To be fair, some of the victims have been armed. There's some uncomfortable discussions for those US of Stateside people to have. Clearly such discussions won't happen in the current climate. BLM fundamentally is a good thing. The "All Lives Matter" misses the point of what BLM was set up for. Sadly, as with so many grass routes movements, it's hijacked by people who harm and undermine it. Whether that be trouble causers looking for nothing but trouble, looters or middle-class white apologists after getting themselves a slice of the oppression.
However "BLM UK" or SWP as it's more traditionally called, can fook right off. What a bunch of whiny privileged professional demonstrators. They have no interest in Black Lives. They're interested in bringing down capitalism, moaning about anything for attention and free stuff. Then there's the slactivists. The dirt worst of the internet. Worse than any alt-right deadbeats, buzzfeed feminists, football banter-ists or shit posting gamergaters.
Shame on the Greens for attempting to give BLM UK's idiotic demonstration at London City Airport some credit. Such a laughable protest that they were let off with a slap on the wrists. Utterly damaging for people who actually care about climate change. As for trying to involve race in it... just f**k off. BLM UK's (SWP's) narrative just falls apart when applied to facts in the UK. BAME (hate that outdated phrase but the grauniad uses it so it must be fine) persons have it better than non-bame (whites) when it comes to the police and deaths.
There are so many legitimate causes for folk to protest about, yet they'd rather slactivise american things (in solidarity AKA laziness) or just copy them and not even think enough to create a proper British narrative. |
I agree that the All Lives Matter completely misses the point of the Black Lives Matter movement. The latter is precisely that, an 'everyone matters' notion. What's missing from the catchy name but fairly implicit is the word 'too'. Black Lives Matter, Too. As in, certain black people clearly feel a disconnect in America and feel like they matter not when compared to white people. |  | | |
| National anthem protest on 12:25 - Sep 24 with 4994 views | 1mark1 |
| National anthem protest on 12:02 - Sep 24 by KenBoon |
To be fair, some of the victims have been armed. There's some uncomfortable discussions for those US of Stateside people to have. Clearly such discussions won't happen in the current climate. BLM fundamentally is a good thing. The "All Lives Matter" misses the point of what BLM was set up for. Sadly, as with so many grass routes movements, it's hijacked by people who harm and undermine it. Whether that be trouble causers looking for nothing but trouble, looters or middle-class white apologists after getting themselves a slice of the oppression.
However "BLM UK" or SWP as it's more traditionally called, can fook right off. What a bunch of whiny privileged professional demonstrators. They have no interest in Black Lives. They're interested in bringing down capitalism, moaning about anything for attention and free stuff. Then there's the slactivists. The dirt worst of the internet. Worse than any alt-right deadbeats, buzzfeed feminists, football banter-ists or shit posting gamergaters.
Shame on the Greens for attempting to give BLM UK's idiotic demonstration at London City Airport some credit. Such a laughable protest that they were let off with a slap on the wrists. Utterly damaging for people who actually care about climate change. As for trying to involve race in it... just f**k off. BLM UK's (SWP's) narrative just falls apart when applied to facts in the UK. BAME (hate that outdated phrase but the grauniad uses it so it must be fine) persons have it better than non-bame (whites) when it comes to the police and deaths.
There are so many legitimate causes for folk to protest about, yet they'd rather slactivise american things (in solidarity AKA laziness) or just copy them and not even think enough to create a proper British narrative. |
I support the removal of the government and changing society, but would NEVER use ethnic minority groups as cover to further those aims. The Greens support the reduction in use of air transportation, as it is a massive part of the cause of the ecological destruction of the planet. However, this will only cone about in reducing the need for use of transportation of goods around the world, to using more local sources of food etc. Also more has to be done to come up with more energy efficient planes and other transportation.
On the question of certain parts of the population being affected by pollution, it is a fact that working class/poorer areas near to big airports are more adversely affected by pollution, and of course in London many of those affected will be black, HOWEVER, its all parts of those populations that suffer not just black people, and therefore we have to find ways of reducing the negative affects of air pollution on these communities, and THAT is what the Greens were taking about, regarding the demo at Stanstead, and indeed have been talking about for decades. | |
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| National anthem protest on 14:13 - Sep 24 with 4912 views | roccydaleian |
| National anthem protest on 12:02 - Sep 24 by KenBoon |
To be fair, some of the victims have been armed. There's some uncomfortable discussions for those US of Stateside people to have. Clearly such discussions won't happen in the current climate. BLM fundamentally is a good thing. The "All Lives Matter" misses the point of what BLM was set up for. Sadly, as with so many grass routes movements, it's hijacked by people who harm and undermine it. Whether that be trouble causers looking for nothing but trouble, looters or middle-class white apologists after getting themselves a slice of the oppression.
However "BLM UK" or SWP as it's more traditionally called, can fook right off. What a bunch of whiny privileged professional demonstrators. They have no interest in Black Lives. They're interested in bringing down capitalism, moaning about anything for attention and free stuff. Then there's the slactivists. The dirt worst of the internet. Worse than any alt-right deadbeats, buzzfeed feminists, football banter-ists or shit posting gamergaters.
Shame on the Greens for attempting to give BLM UK's idiotic demonstration at London City Airport some credit. Such a laughable protest that they were let off with a slap on the wrists. Utterly damaging for people who actually care about climate change. As for trying to involve race in it... just f**k off. BLM UK's (SWP's) narrative just falls apart when applied to facts in the UK. BAME (hate that outdated phrase but the grauniad uses it so it must be fine) persons have it better than non-bame (whites) when it comes to the police and deaths.
There are so many legitimate causes for folk to protest about, yet they'd rather slactivise american things (in solidarity AKA laziness) or just copy them and not even think enough to create a proper British narrative. |
Brilliant post KB. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 15:41 - Sep 26 with 4647 views | damon791 |
BLM need to concentrate there efforts on stoping black on black crime,which is by far the majority of killings in America. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 15:51 - Sep 26 with 4636 views | pioneer |
| National anthem protest on 15:41 - Sep 26 by damon791 |
BLM need to concentrate there efforts on stoping black on black crime,which is by far the majority of killings in America. |
All depends on how you view people I suppose - you could easily have said 'poor on poor'.
Fact is this there is an increasing number of innocent black people being gunned down by police officers (both white and black). One wonders why we dont hear of the same police forces gunning down innocent white people. The race they belong to own guns and commit crimes as well.
I expect Donald Trump has the answer - just like his answers to all the rest of the world's problems he is not prepared to tell us what they are.
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| National anthem protest on 16:59 - Sep 26 with 4603 views | damon791 |
| National anthem protest on 15:51 - Sep 26 by pioneer |
All depends on how you view people I suppose - you could easily have said 'poor on poor'.
Fact is this there is an increasing number of innocent black people being gunned down by police officers (both white and black). One wonders why we dont hear of the same police forces gunning down innocent white people. The race they belong to own guns and commit crimes as well.
I expect Donald Trump has the answer - just like his answers to all the rest of the world's problems he is not prepared to tell us what they are.
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Black people in America constitute 16% of the population, but are involved in 50% of violent crimes.But in the fbi stats your more at risk of being shot by the police if your white.
Recent BLM protests have called for police to be shot. The BLM movement sounds like a radical group of individuals and some extreme lefties if you ask me. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 18:41 - Sep 26 with 4509 views | pioneer |
| National anthem protest on 16:59 - Sep 26 by damon791 |
Black people in America constitute 16% of the population, but are involved in 50% of violent crimes.But in the fbi stats your more at risk of being shot by the police if your white.
Recent BLM protests have called for police to be shot. The BLM movement sounds like a radical group of individuals and some extreme lefties if you ask me. |
Lies, damned lies and statistics, Hope the link works. Washington post from 11th July this year
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-p | | | |
| National anthem protest on 20:13 - Sep 26 with 4457 views | damon791 |
Very misleading article it does not take into account that (as I have stated above) the 16% of the black American population commit 50% of violent crime so white people are more likely to be shot by police, there are hundreds of articles on the internet of white unarmed youths being shot by police so maybe its the police gun happy, or they are scared of being shot by violent perpetrators but it is not a racist police force. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 21:29 - Sep 26 with 4408 views | pioneer |
| National anthem protest on 20:13 - Sep 26 by damon791 |
Very misleading article it does not take into account that (as I have stated above) the 16% of the black American population commit 50% of violent crime so white people are more likely to be shot by police, there are hundreds of articles on the internet of white unarmed youths being shot by police so maybe its the police gun happy, or they are scared of being shot by violent perpetrators but it is not a racist police force. |
" Of all of the unarmed people shot and killed by police in 2015, 40 percent of them were black men, even though black men make up just 6 percent of the nation’s population."
We should not expect the figures to correspond to rates of crime by race - coppers are not their to shoot (suspected) criminals.
Either way, I agree all lives matter | | | |
| National anthem protest on 21:40 - Sep 26 with 4401 views | damon791 |
| National anthem protest on 21:29 - Sep 26 by pioneer |
" Of all of the unarmed people shot and killed by police in 2015, 40 percent of them were black men, even though black men make up just 6 percent of the nation’s population."
We should not expect the figures to correspond to rates of crime by race - coppers are not their to shoot (suspected) criminals.
Either way, I agree all lives matter |
Yes your right all lives matter well said.But as I said if black men are committing 50% of violent crime then the stat you quoted is not over inflated. | | | |
| National anthem protest on 21:40 - Sep 26 with 4399 views | wimborne_dale |
| National anthem protest on 08:57 - Sep 24 by SuddenLad |
All lives matter.
Setting up protest groups to differentiate between races, colours and creeds is divisive and inevitably creates social and political disharmony.
Good job we don't use all the verses in our National Anthem. That Nicola Sturgeon would be more agitated than ever. |
If Scotland does break away from The UK, maybe we'll re-introduce all the verses ;) |  |
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| National anthem protest on 22:17 - Sep 26 with 4363 views | pioneer |
| National anthem protest on 21:40 - Sep 26 by damon791 |
Yes your right all lives matter well said.But as I said if black men are committing 50% of violent crime then the stat you quoted is not over inflated. |
that assumes that police shootings should reflect crime rates. Why, police are shooting innocent people and at far greater rates among the black population than the white population.
Of course if The US government believed that all lives matter it would abolish the death penalty and change its foreign policy. | | | |
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