| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club 12:48 - Apr 21 with 4911 views | Spratty |
It is brilliant to win away from home at any time. It is fantastic that we are now all but safe and any win is great so well done to the team on a massively important win. As I have maintained all along we were highly unlikely to go down under Laudrup and with the quality in our team neither should we be going down under Monk (although scrapping survival would be a poor result).
Last year we also beat Newcastle away
This year we beat Newcastle at home — Let’s compare the 2 Newcastle games this year, one under a manager we unceremoniously dumped as not fit, the other under his preferred replacement.
Consider also if relief is an objective enough emotion to choose our next manager on.
Newcastle Home — 4th Dec
- We won 3 — 0
- This was our 4th game in a week and a half
- Bony, Michu and Angel Rangel were all out injured and Leon benched returning from injury
- Newcastle had won their last 4 games on the bounce (including Chelsea and Spurs) conceding only 2 goals in all 4 games. In top form, had reached their highest position in the PL this season (5th) and a mere 1 point from 2nd Place in the PL.
[Canas and Poz both played and Poz assisted 2 goals]
Newcastle Away — 19th April
- We won 2 - 1
- This was our 3rd game in 3 weeks
- Newcastle scored 1st — their first goal in 5 games. Our winner an injury time penalty.
- Newcastle had lost their last 4 games on the bounce and had not managed to score a single goal in any of those games (in which they conceded 10 goals). They were in thier worst form of the season.
So whilst it is brilliant to win and the points are sorely needed — let’s keep a sense of balance.
The home game also typifies the massive key injuries and massively congested fixture list our previous manager was coping with in ongoing mode; whilst still keeping us on track for PL survival and keeping the FA Cup and European dream alive. Would we not want his replacement to be achieving more?
Considering the major impact Poz had on the reverse fixture and other games. I still ask why he has not once featured in the PL under Monk. Canas is also now being omitted even from the bench. Despite his limited appearances Poz has the 2nd highest assists in the whole team this season.
The fact that Pabs has the most assists despite his long injury — tells its own story re player quality
Monk is now achieving 2/3rds of the PL points achieved in last years like for like fixtures *
However pre Monk we were achieving at 96% - despite massive key injuries, a 50% more congested fixture list and winning additional games to keep us in Europe and the FA Cup
If we ignore game difficulty Monk is achieving on straight average fractionally over 1 point per game
pre monk the straight average was 1 point per game (not including the wins in the FA Cup and Europa)
We achieved more points in the reverse fixtures this year — despite all the injuries and additional games
In fact if you factor in all competitive games played rather than just PL, Laudrup earned the equivalent of 45 points out of 37 games, Monk 13 points out of 14 games. The difference between:
- Comfortable mid-table finish with massive key injuries and an average of 50% more fixtures a month
- Vs relegation form with a fully fit team and much more time between fixtures.
If Laudrup was no longer right (such that we were willing to most likely have to shell out millions in compensation) then we should be looking to upgrade. We should not be gambling the future of our club on a punt or sentiment. An inexperienced and tactically naive trainee does not cut it IMHO and his inside knowledge and involvement in what went before could be a distinct problem in obtaining unity and a fresh start.
As others have said it should be best person for the job, not jobs for the boys.
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* Despite Ian’s claims that last years like for like is a poor measure. It is in fact a standard statistical measure looking at how we did in the same games last year, one of the most common types of uses of comparative statistics. Of course this will vary on the standard of teams from year to year however over a significant number of games (as have now been played under both regimes) these will largely smooth themselves out and, unlike straight average points per game (which does not differentiate game difficulty between Man City and Fulham for e.g.) makes allowance for how we have fared against these teams previously.
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 14:55 - Apr 21 with 1143 views | hobo |
Why would you ban him? It's his opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it |  | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:19 - Apr 21 with 1096 views | Dewi1jack |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 14:54 - Apr 21 by IAN05 |
I wouldn't ban him in honesty. He is entitled to an opinion, even if it is very Laudrup-obsessed. He always seem to put his point across politely as well in fairness. |
This and what Hobo says.
Live and let live mate.
If everyone who had a different opinion to you was banned, there wouldn't be many left.
That and single opinion does not lead to a debate on any subject.
The people who were followers of Hitler and Stalin had just the one opinion and weren't open to any alternative argument/ pov |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:28 - Apr 21 with 1087 views | Spratty |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 14:42 - Apr 21 by 100onZero |
Comparing like with like? So you did this with Newcastle but refuse to do it with Cardiff. Just shows your full of sh1t mate. |
"I will happily do a comparison on any match we play if you wish or go back to Cardiff"
Oops - not me full of Sh1t mate | | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:40 - Apr 21 with 1077 views | Spratty |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 14:40 - Apr 21 by dan_swansea |
Can't people just enjoy a fantastic win? |
Agree and I said that, but that was 2 days ago and since I am concerned that people have been using it as an argument that Garry should be given the managers job. Which as a football game against an out of form team blows it out of proportion.
That is a decision that needs to be taken very carefully and in the best interests of our club moving forward, not on the fantastic relief of being virtually safe. I have no doubt that Garry gives the very best he can (who would not given that opportunity) however if enthusiasm was all that counted then I would be PM. | | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:44 - Apr 21 with 1068 views | IAN05 |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:40 - Apr 21 by Spratty |
Agree and I said that, but that was 2 days ago and since I am concerned that people have been using it as an argument that Garry should be given the managers job. Which as a football game against an out of form team blows it out of proportion.
That is a decision that needs to be taken very carefully and in the best interests of our club moving forward, not on the fantastic relief of being virtually safe. I have no doubt that Garry gives the very best he can (who would not given that opportunity) however if enthusiasm was all that counted then I would be PM. |
I haven't seen many say Monk should get the job in honesty. Most saying, keep him here jn some form but a new manager is a must.
Its interesting that you mention that anyone in Monks position would give it their all, but there are many within the club, media and fanbase that don't think your man Laudrup did !!! |  | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:48 - Apr 21 with 1065 views | ItchySphincter |
Genuine question(s) Sprout - how long can you keep up this pro Laudrup agenda? you do realise you're living in the past don't you? What will you have left next season when the club either appoint Monk or another man? Surely it must be time to drop it and move on, or are you enjoying the attention it brings you because you were pretty inconspicuous before you got this boner for ML? |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:49 - Apr 21 with 1063 views | Darran |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 16:44 - Apr 21 by IAN05 |
I haven't seen many say Monk should get the job in honesty. Most saying, keep him here jn some form but a new manager is a must.
Its interesting that you mention that anyone in Monks position would give it their all, but there are many within the club, media and fanbase that don't think your man Laudrup did !!! |
You haven't seen many because there aren't many. |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 17:16 - Apr 21 with 1028 views | monmouth |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 14:55 - Apr 21 by hobo |
Why would you ban him? It's his opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it |
I agree. Although he is showing signs of mental illness. Laudrup's gone and even the Danes have moved on like Dan or buggered off like most. Next year we could have him and kiisgod banging on about their obsessions. |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 17:51 - Apr 21 with 987 views | 3swan |
No comparison can be made by match. Comparisons over a longer period can show a trend but not much else, as there are so many issues that aren't controlled, from players on/off form to the whole team and even the weather
This season under ML the league record was
W6 D6 L12 Pts 24
Under GM
W3 D3 L5 PTS 12
Not much between them. It can be argued that we were playing more games during the ML era, but can also add that that could have caused burn out that affected the era under GM.
Stats can be used both ways but the only thing I can say is personally that something needed to change and only time will tell if GM can be a success, but no-one can double guess what the outcome would have been under ML [Post edited 21 Apr 2014 17:52]
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 17:57 - Apr 21 with 975 views | Uxbridge |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 13:47 - Apr 21 by AngelRangelQS |
Can someone please just ban this boring c*nt? |
Darran's not that bad. Well ...
So we're not tolerating alternate viewpoints now? |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 18:19 - Apr 21 with 955 views | perchrockjack |
What s the answer as I've a always had a short attention span.but laud rip was and would have taken jus down | |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 18:23 - Apr 21 with 947 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 17:57 - Apr 21 by Uxbridge |
Darran's not that bad. Well ...
So we're not tolerating alternate viewpoints now? |
The same viewpoint made several times a day for almost 3 months is getting a bit tedious |  | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 18:24 - Apr 21 with 942 views | Uxbridge |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 18:23 - Apr 21 by AngelRangelQS |
The same viewpoint made several times a day for almost 3 months is getting a bit tedious |
Well he's hardly alone in that. | |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 19:46 - Apr 21 with 897 views | JackFish |
As I said to you the other day, comparing like for like with last season's fixtures is pointless because there no guarantee that Laudrup would have achieved the same results.
Last season we drew at Everton, won at Arsenal and drew at home to Chelsea. Are you seriously telling me that given our return of one point against the top seven under ML this season that we were going to match that? |  | | |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 19:56 - Apr 21 with 887 views | waynekerr55 |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 18:24 - Apr 21 by Uxbridge |
Well he's hardly alone in that. |
Guilty M'laud
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 07:34 - Apr 22 with 750 views | Pacemaker |
Anyone who was at WHU away, St Gallen or any other of the really poor performances under ML this season would have seen that there was something seriously wrong at the club.
Something needed to be done that was obvious, I think ML was brilliant for us but I genuinely believe he had become bored with us no more or less than that. |  |
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| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 12:01 - Apr 22 with 680 views | 3swan |
| Newcastle in Perspective — the Future of Our Club on 07:34 - Apr 22 by Pacemaker |
Anyone who was at WHU away, St Gallen or any other of the really poor performances under ML this season would have seen that there was something seriously wrong at the club.
Something needed to be done that was obvious, I think ML was brilliant for us but I genuinely believe he had become bored with us no more or less than that. |
Agree on the bored comment. we were a project for him which he lost interest in for many reasons I suppose | | | |
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