| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 09:43 - Dec 22 with 1636 views | perchrockjack |
Just wish to make clear that just as I haven't worn my wife s brassiere knickers/panties/stockings/stilettoes ,dresses ,not even her cheapest 20 denier gardening tights, I have not taken acid ever although I did hate chemistry |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 09:48 - Dec 22 with 1631 views | Parlay |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 09:28 - Dec 22 by premierjack |
I can't believe some of these comments on here. They are pathetic. I have been to fancy dress parties where people have been dressed as mr T, bob Marley, serina and Venus Williams and loads of other black people and they have never been accused o being a racist. In fact both black and white ppl thought it was fantastic.
The problem here is one person has an opinion on the matter and all the other sheep jump on the bandwagon and made it more of a deal than it really is.
If two men wen to a party and one dressed Leon Britton and the other was wilfried bony, would he be a racist??? Even tho they both dressed up as swansea city footballers??? Surely he would be the opposite to a racist as he hasn't even look at the colour of the skin... He has just seen them as two male football players, as equals??
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Agree entirely. seems a case of people feeling they should be offended by it than actually being offended by it. Mental triggers from the past and then seeing things that aren't there. the ghost of racism if you will. |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 10:40 - Dec 22 with 1597 views | dgt73 |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 20:11 - Dec 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Nope, you're making things up again. I said it was irrelevant whether Bony is ok with it or not. I did NOT say that he and his apparently Fijian mate weren't allowed a view on it. I've also said (and I'll repeat this for about the gazillionth time because you're clearly hard of understanding) that I do not believe this fella is a "racist", just that he was very stupid to think that a public figure, which he apparently is despite me and some others never having heard of him before today, could dress up in that way and think it wouldn't attract criticism.
By the way, I very much doubt that I have any more formal qualifications or education than you have. In fact, I'd be prepared to wager quite a bit that I've probably got less than you. I have no idea what the rest of your latest self-pitying bleat is all about so I'm going to ignore it. You're probably just being "controversial" again. |
Look you are wrong on every fooking level and people like you cause more damage to race relations in this country than a fully paid up member of the NF could ever do.😄 merry Xmas. |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 10:53 - Dec 22 with 1578 views | bluenile |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 01:26 - Dec 22 by bluenile |
The big question is.......................was Michael Jackson a racist?? |
It was a serious question.................anyone care to answer? give a viewpoint? |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:22 - Dec 22 with 1551 views | Darran |
I remember being awfully outraged when this came out ten years ago.
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:22 - Dec 22 with 1551 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 10:53 - Dec 22 by bluenile |
It was a serious question.................anyone care to answer? give a viewpoint? |
No, I don't imagine he was. From my (very limited) understanding of the troubled little fellow the reason behind all the plastic surgery and whatever he was doing to his skin pigmentation wasn't in order to appear European it was in order to look as little like his father as was conceivable. An attempted escape from the memory of childhood trauma.
I don't pretend to know much about him but that's what I've gleaned from a Radio 4 programme I heard travelling back from somewhere or other. |  |
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| (No subject) on 11:29 - Dec 22 with 1544 views | skippyjack |
| (No subject) on 02:47 - Dec 22 by phact0rri |
Because it DOES feel like its for a laugh. At least thats what it looked like to me when I saw the photos. it didn't seem respectful at all.
I don't know if he did it intentionally and meant to cause harm. And fairplay to you all for not seeing it if you don't understand that it can bother people. But life isn't the same for people who are of a minority. People who are looked down upon and not seen past their skin. People who are treated poorly and looked at as second class citizens. They see such a thing and it can be painful.
You are welcome to disagree with me, and feel like its nonsense-- and maybe it is to you. But there are people who do feel sad by it. People who don't see it as "dressing up as Bony" they do see it as someone who is making fun of their race. |
'Because it DOES feel like it was for a laugh. At least that's what it looked like to me when I saw the photos. It didn't seem respectful at all.'
Just stop.. and have a different viewpoint. You can't can you? You're unable to have a different viewpoint.. it is for a laugh.. it does look like that in the photo.. fancy dress is rarely respectable.. but you see 'racism'.. I don't see it.. and the majority of youngsters don't see it.. and the sensible people don't see any racism..
Zlatan Ibrahimovic fancy dress.. a pathetic pony tailed head.. a witches nose.. and a terrible Swedish accent.. you perceive this differently.. but I perceive both fancy dresses equally.. as should you.. I don't see blackface.. I see a cracking swansea player with a terrible f*cking haircut. |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:40 - Dec 22 with 1521 views | QuakerJack |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:22 - Dec 22 by Darran |
I remember being awfully outraged when this came out ten years ago.
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Because it was utter dogsh!t? |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:40 - Dec 22 with 1521 views | Ponderosa |
Still, what about the Chinese? A great bunch of lads |  |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:41 - Dec 22 with 1518 views | Ponderosa |
Father Ted wasn't racist | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:49 - Dec 22 with 1503 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:40 - Dec 22 by Ponderosa |
Still, what about the Chinese? A great bunch of lads |
They're mildly sinsiter in my opinion. I mean you see them at the take away, you see them clustered around the one-armed bandits and tables at casinos but apart from that? Perhaps they can shape shift? Perhaps they have secret underground tunnels to get where they need to go?
They all seem to have the same haircut and speak in an incomprehensible language, if a language it is, that appears to involve shouting at each other in tongues, without pause, until their breath runs out.
They've got their eye on us, they don't miss a trick!
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:51 - Dec 22 with 1498 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:41 - Dec 22 by Ponderosa |
Father Ted wasn't racist |
Racist? Papist? It's all the same thing to a dyslexic. | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:33 - Dec 22 with 1436 views | GreatBritton |
I wasn't going to post on this thread. I thought I'd be content to see the PC and anti-PC brigades swinging away at each other with their cudgels of bigotry and then move on.
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Phact0rri is right - we need to look beyond our own experience and empathise with others. In Naples this year there was a Swans fan trying to get everyone to join in his chant. Luckily, most people turned away in horror and disgust. Th chant went as follows:
Come on Wilfried Bony
(He's got a black face)
Score some goals for Swansea
(He throws a spear)
The emphasis was on the colonial image.
Q Why did this rugby player not go as Leon?
A. It's hard to caricature someone unless you pick on an obvious feature as the key feature of their identity
The boy was foolish. We are not wrong to say this much. |  | | |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:46 - Dec 22 with 1420 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:33 - Dec 22 by GreatBritton |
I wasn't going to post on this thread. I thought I'd be content to see the PC and anti-PC brigades swinging away at each other with their cudgels of bigotry and then move on.
BUT
Phact0rri is right - we need to look beyond our own experience and empathise with others. In Naples this year there was a Swans fan trying to get everyone to join in his chant. Luckily, most people turned away in horror and disgust. Th chant went as follows:
Come on Wilfried Bony
(He's got a black face)
Score some goals for Swansea
(He throws a spear)
The emphasis was on the colonial image.
Q Why did this rugby player not go as Leon?
A. It's hard to caricature someone unless you pick on an obvious feature as the key feature of their identity
The boy was foolish. We are not wrong to say this much. |
Nonsense. How on earth could he have gone as Leon, Williams is a good foot taller.
Who have you come as then?
Leon Britton.
You look nothing like him.
Damn! That's sixty odd quid for a replica kit down the drain then.
What about the black Fijian going dressed up as Agnetha from Abba with a blonde wig on? I don't see anybody grizzling about that. You know why? Because it was a bit of fun and it wouldn't have entered his head that he could possibly be offending anybody. | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:56 - Dec 22 with 1403 views | GreatBritton |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:46 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
Nonsense. How on earth could he have gone as Leon, Williams is a good foot taller.
Who have you come as then?
Leon Britton.
You look nothing like him.
Damn! That's sixty odd quid for a replica kit down the drain then.
What about the black Fijian going dressed up as Agnetha from Abba with a blonde wig on? I don't see anybody grizzling about that. You know why? Because it was a bit of fun and it wouldn't have entered his head that he could possibly be offending anybody. |
But dressing up as Agnietha is making fun of your own masculinity, not misogyny. Dressing up as a man of a different colour is not mocking your own caucasian identity, but it can be viewed as racism.
I agree with all the posters here, however, that I'm very doubtful this entered Williams' mind. Apparently not much does enter that vacuous space. | | | |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:10 - Dec 22 with 1366 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:56 - Dec 22 by GreatBritton |
But dressing up as Agnietha is making fun of your own masculinity, not misogyny. Dressing up as a man of a different colour is not mocking your own caucasian identity, but it can be viewed as racism.
I agree with all the posters here, however, that I'm very doubtful this entered Williams' mind. Apparently not much does enter that vacuous space. |
You're missing the point a tad. I was simply trying to convey the disparity in response to a South Sea Islander dressing up as a European in comparison to a European dressed up as a west African.
I'd like to add that this is a completely manufactured furore. The chain of events that led up to it are wholly political and entirely transparent. | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:13 - Dec 22 with 1363 views | Le_Swans |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:46 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
Nonsense. How on earth could he have gone as Leon, Williams is a good foot taller.
Who have you come as then?
Leon Britton.
You look nothing like him.
Damn! That's sixty odd quid for a replica kit down the drain then.
What about the black Fijian going dressed up as Agnetha from Abba with a blonde wig on? I don't see anybody grizzling about that. You know why? Because it was a bit of fun and it wouldn't have entered his head that he could possibly be offending anybody. |
Agreed, he would look nothing like Leon, but he also looks nothing like Bony, unless you're saying all black people look the same? Because that is the only resemblance, the fact he "blacked up", oh, and the stupid wig. | | | |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:20 - Dec 22 with 1355 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:13 - Dec 22 by Le_Swans |
Agreed, he would look nothing like Leon, but he also looks nothing like Bony, unless you're saying all black people look the same? Because that is the only resemblance, the fact he "blacked up", oh, and the stupid wig. |
And the kit, of course. If he'd gone as Gomis or Emnes I dare say he'd have had a different wig on.
I went to a fancy dress years ago as Dick Emery's vicar. Grey wig, false teeth and a dog collar. I didn't particularly look like him, no. It wasn't intended as an attack on the clergy either. We all had a good drink and a bit of fun, which is all I expect was what Liam Williams and his team mates hoped for their night. They certainly wouldn't have figured on any of this. | |
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| (No subject) on 14:25 - Dec 22 with 1348 views | dgt73 |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:10 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
You're missing the point a tad. I was simply trying to convey the disparity in response to a South Sea Islander dressing up as a European in comparison to a European dressed up as a west African.
I'd like to add that this is a completely manufactured furore. The chain of events that led up to it are wholly political and entirely transparent. |
I wouldn't bother trying to explain mate, you may as well talk to the wall. These left-wing loonys are just that LOONYS. [Post edited 22 Dec 2014 14:28]
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:26 - Dec 22 with 1346 views | skippyjack |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 13:56 - Dec 22 by GreatBritton |
But dressing up as Agnietha is making fun of your own masculinity, not misogyny. Dressing up as a man of a different colour is not mocking your own caucasian identity, but it can be viewed as racism.
I agree with all the posters here, however, that I'm very doubtful this entered Williams' mind. Apparently not much does enter that vacuous space. |
It's your own perception of events mun.. Liam Williams had no intention of blacking up to cause offence towards a black man.. the only person who it could've deemed it an offence was Wilfried Bony.. it's such a poor attempt to create a 'non issue' over something.. just like a few threads on this board.. like the arguments between Shaky and Lisa are so irrelevant it's frightening.. like Cattalus the governor (Jesus Christ).. you are all 'professional' apparently.. and some of our players get stick. Jesus! Give me a job! #jobforskippy | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:36 - Dec 22 with 1324 views | Le_Swans |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:20 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
And the kit, of course. If he'd gone as Gomis or Emnes I dare say he'd have had a different wig on.
I went to a fancy dress years ago as Dick Emery's vicar. Grey wig, false teeth and a dog collar. I didn't particularly look like him, no. It wasn't intended as an attack on the clergy either. We all had a good drink and a bit of fun, which is all I expect was what Liam Williams and his team mates hoped for their night. They certainly wouldn't have figured on any of this. |
Totally agree, I'm just trying to get across why some may find it offensive / insensitive.
Myself, I don't see anything wrong with it (I've had friends who've done similar), obviously meant as a bit of fun, however, it was stupid from Sanjay, as surely he should have realised that being in the spot light (albeit not excessively) it would have caused issues / offence to some, especially with the local derby match coming up, the media are bound to jump all over it. | | | |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 14:59 - Dec 22 with 1289 views | Flashberryjack |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 10:40 - Dec 22 by dgt73 |
Look you are wrong on every fooking level and people like you cause more damage to race relations in this country than a fully paid up member of the NF could ever do.😄 merry Xmas. |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 17:28 - Dec 22 with 1223 views | bluenile |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 11:22 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
No, I don't imagine he was. From my (very limited) understanding of the troubled little fellow the reason behind all the plastic surgery and whatever he was doing to his skin pigmentation wasn't in order to appear European it was in order to look as little like his father as was conceivable. An attempted escape from the memory of childhood trauma.
I don't pretend to know much about him but that's what I've gleaned from a Radio 4 programme I heard travelling back from somewhere or other. |
Fair do's....................i've read some shit, but................. Now people can make all the noises they like about how racist it is, and yet when the reverse is pointed out then suddenly the reasons/excuses why that is alright come forth. Let's think about this for a moment. If this furore has some credence then we might as well say that as white people, we can never pretend to be black, or vice versa, no matter what the circumstance. What a strange world we live in where we are unable, as fellow human beings, to differentiate between someone being offensive and someone dressing up innocently, possibly even because they admire the person. As a young man I used to laugh at Alf Garnet going on about 'coons'. Why? Because I was racist? No, because he was the voice of unreason and bigotry, and it was funny to see him being taken down a peg or three by the reasoned arguments of his family, who didn't have his simplistic and bigotted views. Where do we stop? Will we carry on until everyone is walking on eggshells, afraid to say or do anything unless we offend someone? As for Michael Jackson, he sang it doesn't matter if you're black or white, but presumably as long as you're white! I found his attempt to make himself look caucasian sad, particularly when looking at photographs of him as a very handsome young man who should have stayed proud of his looks as a black person. This world is becoming stranger and stranger................ | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 17:51 - Dec 22 with 1206 views | Flashberryjack |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 17:28 - Dec 22 by bluenile |
Fair do's....................i've read some shit, but................. Now people can make all the noises they like about how racist it is, and yet when the reverse is pointed out then suddenly the reasons/excuses why that is alright come forth. Let's think about this for a moment. If this furore has some credence then we might as well say that as white people, we can never pretend to be black, or vice versa, no matter what the circumstance. What a strange world we live in where we are unable, as fellow human beings, to differentiate between someone being offensive and someone dressing up innocently, possibly even because they admire the person. As a young man I used to laugh at Alf Garnet going on about 'coons'. Why? Because I was racist? No, because he was the voice of unreason and bigotry, and it was funny to see him being taken down a peg or three by the reasoned arguments of his family, who didn't have his simplistic and bigotted views. Where do we stop? Will we carry on until everyone is walking on eggshells, afraid to say or do anything unless we offend someone? As for Michael Jackson, he sang it doesn't matter if you're black or white, but presumably as long as you're white! I found his attempt to make himself look caucasian sad, particularly when looking at photographs of him as a very handsome young man who should have stayed proud of his looks as a black person. This world is becoming stranger and stranger................ |
Exactly! Where the f*ck are we going mun. | |
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| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 18:26 - Dec 22 with 1172 views | Lohengrin |
| "Blacking Up" as Bony on 17:28 - Dec 22 by bluenile |
Fair do's....................i've read some shit, but................. Now people can make all the noises they like about how racist it is, and yet when the reverse is pointed out then suddenly the reasons/excuses why that is alright come forth. Let's think about this for a moment. If this furore has some credence then we might as well say that as white people, we can never pretend to be black, or vice versa, no matter what the circumstance. What a strange world we live in where we are unable, as fellow human beings, to differentiate between someone being offensive and someone dressing up innocently, possibly even because they admire the person. As a young man I used to laugh at Alf Garnet going on about 'coons'. Why? Because I was racist? No, because he was the voice of unreason and bigotry, and it was funny to see him being taken down a peg or three by the reasoned arguments of his family, who didn't have his simplistic and bigotted views. Where do we stop? Will we carry on until everyone is walking on eggshells, afraid to say or do anything unless we offend someone? As for Michael Jackson, he sang it doesn't matter if you're black or white, but presumably as long as you're white! I found his attempt to make himself look caucasian sad, particularly when looking at photographs of him as a very handsome young man who should have stayed proud of his looks as a black person. This world is becoming stranger and stranger................ |
I never saw Alf get taken down so much as a single peg much less two by his "red-faced mick" of a son-in-law; he was every bit as bigoted and unreasonable as our Alf but coming from the opposite direction.
Dandy Nicholls was a match for the pair of them though. One withering glance and it was game over. 
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