| This Corbyn Speech 13:26 - Feb 26 with 4157 views | Darran |
He's struggling big time. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 16:32 - Feb 26 with 580 views | rock1n |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:02 - Feb 26 by dailew |
No they're all socialist countries with "capitalist" undertones.
It all depends on one's definition of socialist. All western countries are mixed economies varying from the mores socialist to the more capitalist.
One thing is for sure is that these countries have larger states and larger tax takes than the US and the UK and control larger parts of the economy. ie more "socialist"
United Kingdom 34%
United States 36%
Germany 41%
Austria 43%
Finland 43%
Norway 44%
Sweden 46%
Denmark 51% |
Big State does not always imply socialism.
You can have conserative States that have a large State they may just have different priorities e.g. expansion of military/policies/borders.
You're clutching at straws my friend, as I've already alluded to you're not talking about 'socialism' you're talking about social democracy which is more towards the right of the labour party and not left wing labour. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 16:33 - Feb 26 with 576 views | dailew |
| This Corbyn Speech on 15:50 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
In Sweden private companies in 2015 provide about 20% of public hospital care and about 30% of public primary care,
Again very socialist |
In most European countries provision is provided by a mixture of state and private firms.
However the finance side is organised by the state.
There is a contribution that will come out of income or if unemployed the state will pay all this.
Everyone has health care care thanks to the state intervention
Very socialist. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 16:40 - Feb 26 with 564 views | dailew |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:32 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
Big State does not always imply socialism.
You can have conserative States that have a large State they may just have different priorities e.g. expansion of military/policies/borders.
You're clutching at straws my friend, as I've already alluded to you're not talking about 'socialism' you're talking about social democracy which is more towards the right of the labour party and not left wing labour. |
"You can have conservative States that have a large State they may just have different priorities e.g. expansion of military/policies/borders. "
Yet none of the countries I've listed fall into that category.
In fact they all have much smaller military budgets than the UK or the US.
Talk about clutching at straws. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 16:46 - Feb 26 with 550 views | rock1n |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:40 - Feb 26 by dailew |
"You can have conservative States that have a large State they may just have different priorities e.g. expansion of military/policies/borders. "
Yet none of the countries I've listed fall into that category.
In fact they all have much smaller military budgets than the UK or the US.
Talk about clutching at straws. |
Am I still arguing with you?
It's not SOCIALISM, it's SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 16:52 - Feb 26 with 537 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:33 - Feb 26 by dailew |
In most European countries provision is provided by a mixture of state and private firms.
However the finance side is organised by the state.
There is a contribution that will come out of income or if unemployed the state will pay all this.
Everyone has health care care thanks to the state intervention
Very socialist. |
It can't be Dai
Surely not , you must be wrong !
No thought not !😃 |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:01 - Feb 26 with 813 views | dailew |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:46 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
Am I still arguing with you?
It's not SOCIALISM, it's SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC. |
Why don't you define socialism then? | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:04 - Feb 26 with 810 views | Lohengrin |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:52 - Feb 26 by oh_tommy_tommy |
It can't be Dai
Surely not , you must be wrong !
No thought not !😃 |
It's an uncomfortable truth that provision of healthcare in the modern sense, that's to say funding by insurance mandate, was pioneered in National Socialist Germany. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:07 - Feb 26 with 801 views | Jack_Meoff |
| This Corbyn Speech on 16:21 - Feb 26 by dailew |
First country to introduce an Universal Health Care system.
It has an extensive welfare system
It has a public owned rail system and utilities and mandatory trade unionists as board members.
It would be socialist by most people's definition. |
They also own a decent chunk of our rail network, very kindly subsidised by us. The UK government is actually very keen on state run utilities. As long as it's not our state...  |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:16 - Feb 26 with 788 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:07 - Feb 26 by Jack_Meoff |
They also own a decent chunk of our rail network, very kindly subsidised by us. The UK government is actually very keen on state run utilities. As long as it's not our state... |
Quite incredible isn't it .
All is fine and dandy
Do we own anything anymore ??? | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:22 - Feb 26 with 783 views | monmouth |
| This Corbyn Speech on 14:02 - Feb 26 by blueytheblue |
Lol.
Tommy, the problem is Corbyn can offer free unicorns to everyone; cupcakes with sprinkles on.
The problem is it's easy for Corbyn to issue promises that sound really, really good without having to do silly little things like costing them. Save the NHS is the rallying cry. Well the Labour run HS is Wales is really fantastic... |
I'd vote for unicorns and cupcakes. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:32 - Feb 26 with 771 views | rock1n |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:01 - Feb 26 by dailew |
Why don't you define socialism then? |
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:33 - Feb 26 with 767 views | rock1n |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:04 - Feb 26 by Lohengrin |
It's an uncomfortable truth that provision of healthcare in the modern sense, that's to say funding by insurance mandate, was pioneered in National Socialist Germany. |
Yep and they had full employment and a big State, clearly lived up the socialist name. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:41 - Feb 26 with 750 views | exiledclaseboy |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:32 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." |
Ah, Churchill. One of the most politically pliable politicians in history. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:43 - Feb 26 with 743 views | nice_to_michu |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:33 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
Yep and they had full employment and a big State, clearly lived up the socialist name. |
So on this thread alone you have held up Venezuela and Nazi Germany as examples of soicialsm.
How silly. |  | | |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:44 - Feb 26 with 739 views | exiledclaseboy |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:43 - Feb 26 by nice_to_michu |
So on this thread alone you have held up Venezuela and Nazi Germany as examples of soicialsm.
How silly. |
He's off on one now best to roll with it. it's always fun to watch him do his best Norman Tebbit impersonation. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:49 - Feb 26 with 735 views | Jack_Meoff |
From a personal perspective, if we're going to have a government, I'd just like them not to act like a legal mafia. Cash for trident? Kerching! HS2? Course mun., not an issue? Money to bomb far away nations? Oh golly, I should cocoa! £3.7 billion to support disabled people? Jog on you k*nts, debt, deficit, blah blah.
They're just c*nts.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/37bn-pip-cuts-patrick-mcloughlin-l | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:53 - Feb 26 with 721 views | perchrockjack |
Let's face it
Left is best,, the rest are fascists
Plus ca change |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:53 - Feb 26 with 720 views | rock1n |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:43 - Feb 26 by nice_to_michu |
So on this thread alone you have held up Venezuela and Nazi Germany as examples of soicialsm.
How silly. |
I'm extracting the urine. If you follow previous posts you'll understand that I'm actually saying the opposite.
I find it laughable that people quote Germany, Austria and Scandinavia as examples of socialism.
Theresa May has spoken about the benign State, putting workers on boards and attacked economic liberalism. Is she also a socialist?
Completely ridiculous, it's the black and white mentality good=socialism bad=capitalism.
Redistribution did not start with labour - this is all lies | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:54 - Feb 26 with 717 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:49 - Feb 26 by Jack_Meoff |
From a personal perspective, if we're going to have a government, I'd just like them not to act like a legal mafia. Cash for trident? Kerching! HS2? Course mun., not an issue? Money to bomb far away nations? Oh golly, I should cocoa! £3.7 billion to support disabled people? Jog on you k*nts, debt, deficit, blah blah.
They're just c*nts.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/37bn-pip-cuts-patrick-mcloughlin-l |
I like you 😘 | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:55 - Feb 26 with 713 views | longlostjack |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:04 - Feb 26 by Lohengrin |
It's an uncomfortable truth that provision of healthcare in the modern sense, that's to say funding by insurance mandate, was pioneered in National Socialist Germany. |
I thought it was Bismark. |  |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 17:55 - Feb 26 with 711 views | perchrockjack |
No, Tommy, you like what he posted.
Because you feel right ,it could be you re not | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 18:00 - Feb 26 with 703 views | dailew |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:32 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." |
I'd prefer your definition, not someone else's. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 18:01 - Feb 26 with 700 views | Jack_Meoff |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:55 - Feb 26 by perchrockjack |
No, Tommy, you like what he posted.
Because you feel right ,it could be you re not |
perch I'm personally not comfortable with the government cutting support for disabled people while giving the green light to far more costly endeavours. That has nothing to do with 'left' and 'right', I just think it's wrong. | |
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| This Corbyn Speech on 18:03 - Feb 26 with 694 views | dailew |
| This Corbyn Speech on 17:53 - Feb 26 by rock1n |
I'm extracting the urine. If you follow previous posts you'll understand that I'm actually saying the opposite.
I find it laughable that people quote Germany, Austria and Scandinavia as examples of socialism.
Theresa May has spoken about the benign State, putting workers on boards and attacked economic liberalism. Is she also a socialist?
Completely ridiculous, it's the black and white mentality good=socialism bad=capitalism.
Redistribution did not start with labour - this is all lies |
You come out with a statement like "socialism has been tried everywhere and failed everywhere" and then accuse others of black and white thinking. | |
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