Voting tactically against the Tories 12:20 - Apr 23 with 5476 views | exiledclaseboy | That's what I'll be doing. This site shows you how. It'll probably make little difference but worth a try. https://www.tactical2017.com | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:44 - Apr 23 with 859 views | exiledclaseboy |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:12 - Apr 23 by Highjack | But if everyone who wants to vote lib dem votes labour then it's not allowing the lib dems to grow its vote, (which is not a bad thing) meaning that in the next election you'll be in the exact same situation "oh well the lib dems have no chance so I'm voting labour" and the cycle continues. It's this sort of narrow minded pettiness that leads to a two party state. |
You're missing the point rather spectacularly fair play. It's first past the post that perpetuates the two party system, not limited tactical voting in certain marginal constituencies. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:49 - Apr 23 with 848 views | Jack_Meoff |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:36 - Apr 23 by JackTheLad | You really think Corbyn is like the others? The left of the Labour party has been consistently on the right side of history. Thatchers famous words on her biggest achievement as PM "Tony Blair and New Labour"... most of the party are red tory but the left, no. Check his voting records and others, the only way to accurately see what a politican is all about. |
My rant was more about FPTP than Corbyn. I don't actually mind him. His policies are only extreme in this country because we've been 'nudged' rightward over the last few decades. (Good work Behavioural Insights Team!) They wouldn't be seen as such in, for example, France or Norway. Unfortunately we as a people will continue to view the country through the prism of billionaire newspaper owners who want things to remain the same. So we're basically f*cked. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:56 - Apr 23 with 835 views | blueytheblue | So when even the Mirror print an article based upon a poll THEY commissioned showing Labour voters don't believe he will win, when young voters don't believe he will win... it's all those damn billionaires! Labourites pilloried Trump yet copy the same mantra espoused by Trump - crooked media, rigged system, elites controlling things... it's as if Corbyn has no ideas whatsoever. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:57 - Apr 23 with 835 views | Highjack |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:44 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy | You're missing the point rather spectacularly fair play. It's first past the post that perpetuates the two party system, not limited tactical voting in certain marginal constituencies. |
Its both. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 14:01 - Apr 23 with 826 views | exiledclaseboy |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 13:57 - Apr 23 by Highjack | Its both. |
No it isn't. In fact, such tactical voting will also increase the LibDem vote in constituencies where they are the main challenger to the Tories. The LibDems would gain nothing from me voting for them in Gower but coukd gain a seat in, for example, Eastbourne where they need a few hundred Labour voters to vote for them instead. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 15:08 - Apr 23 with 782 views | Highjack |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 14:01 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy | No it isn't. In fact, such tactical voting will also increase the LibDem vote in constituencies where they are the main challenger to the Tories. The LibDems would gain nothing from me voting for them in Gower but coukd gain a seat in, for example, Eastbourne where they need a few hundred Labour voters to vote for them instead. |
What they would gain is an argument for the change to PR that you and they advocate. If they get millions of votes and hardly any seats that argument is strong, whereas if hardly get any votes and no seats it's a fair system. If you want a change to PR you should vote Lib Dem and also hope for a good showing for UKIP and the greens. It's the only way that political pressure will grow for change if there is a significant percentage of the vote that isn't transferred into seats. There is absolutely zero chance of ever changing to PR if people adopt the attitude that they should only vote labour or Tory because they are the only parties who can win. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 15:37 - Apr 23 with 773 views | exiledclaseboy |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 15:08 - Apr 23 by Highjack | What they would gain is an argument for the change to PR that you and they advocate. If they get millions of votes and hardly any seats that argument is strong, whereas if hardly get any votes and no seats it's a fair system. If you want a change to PR you should vote Lib Dem and also hope for a good showing for UKIP and the greens. It's the only way that political pressure will grow for change if there is a significant percentage of the vote that isn't transferred into seats. There is absolutely zero chance of ever changing to PR if people adopt the attitude that they should only vote labour or Tory because they are the only parties who can win. |
The LibDems have been campaigning for PR for decades, regularly gaining 20%+ vote shares but nothing like 20% of the seats. The argument for PR is made and voting tactically in some marginal constituencies isn't going to bring about a change from FPTP. The Libdems and other parties like UKIP have been disadvantaged by FOTP for decades but Labour and the Tories won't countenance change because it's FPTP that perpetuates the two party hegemony, not tactical voting. And your last sentence "only voting Labour or Tory because they're the only who can can win" is similarly facile, misleading and simplistic. That's not what I'm advocating. The anti-Tory tactical vote could go to Labour, LibDems, the SNP, Green, UKIP or Plaid Cymru depending on which party is best placed to challenge the Tories in any given constituency. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 15:41 - Apr 23 with 767 views | Darran | In Neath you should vote Labour? Blimey that's going to catch a few out. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:17 - Apr 23 with 736 views | perchrockjack | What is a "worker" It follows then those who do really are vermin | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:17 - Apr 23 with 738 views | rock1n | Meh this is classic left wing bs. Far more innovative to have some been impartial on a party basis and do it based on brexit viewpoints | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:18 - Apr 23 with 737 views | JackTheLad |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:17 - Apr 23 by perchrockjack | What is a "worker" It follows then those who do really are vermin |
In English please? | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:21 - Apr 23 with 723 views | perchrockjack | Read again. Who or what is a worker and if one becomes an employed manager of a workforce does that then make him a non worker. What about the workers , Wolfie Smith I ll be back later | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:26 - Apr 23 with 720 views | JackTheLad |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:22 - Apr 23 by rock1n | This is a wind up right? |
Can you tell me which part is incorrect? hurts to know you've been lied to right? | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:31 - Apr 23 with 711 views | blueytheblue |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:26 - Apr 23 by JackTheLad | Can you tell me which part is incorrect? hurts to know you've been lied to right? |
All of it? The Mirror one was ComRes not YouGov. Oops. Misguided rant there... | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:31 - Apr 23 with 711 views | rock1n |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:26 - Apr 23 by JackTheLad | Can you tell me which part is incorrect? hurts to know you've been lied to right? |
Everything, if you do believe that I fear for you come June 9th | |
| The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:33 - Apr 23 with 706 views | blueytheblue |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:31 - Apr 23 by rock1n | Everything, if you do believe that I fear for you come June 9th |
Nah, it's the Corbynistas tactic - why do you think Jezza has gone on about "media", "rigged system"? When the wipeout happens, Corbynistas will deny it. All media lies, a rigged election. They've got their excuses in early. | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:35 - Apr 23 with 700 views | exiledclaseboy |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:17 - Apr 23 by rock1n | Meh this is classic left wing bs. Far more innovative to have some been impartial on a party basis and do it based on brexit viewpoints |
Which us incidentally what Blair has suggested today. Edit. Just seen the other thread. [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 16:37]
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:36 - Apr 23 with 698 views | rock1n |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:33 - Apr 23 by blueytheblue | Nah, it's the Corbynistas tactic - why do you think Jezza has gone on about "media", "rigged system"? When the wipeout happens, Corbynistas will deny it. All media lies, a rigged election. They've got their excuses in early. |
They really are a cult - it's almost fascinating | |
| The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:37 - Apr 23 with 695 views | JackTheLad |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:31 - Apr 23 by blueytheblue | All of it? The Mirror one was ComRes not YouGov. Oops. Misguided rant there... |
Misguided rant or did you misinterpret what I wrote? I didn't say the Mirror poll was made by YouGov? Oops. All of it? So you are denying that the people who founded YouGov are Nadhim Zahawi and Stephan Shakespeare? You're all making yourselves sound very silly | |
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Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:41 - Apr 23 with 685 views | blueytheblue |
Voting tactically against the Tories on 16:37 - Apr 23 by JackTheLad | Misguided rant or did you misinterpret what I wrote? I didn't say the Mirror poll was made by YouGov? Oops. All of it? So you are denying that the people who founded YouGov are Nadhim Zahawi and Stephan Shakespeare? You're all making yourselves sound very silly |
You highlighted YouGov. Who founded ComRes? Are you ignorant with regards to that? You cite "many other polls" whilst conveniently being able to name any of them. Funny that. | |
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