| Mr Bates and the Post Office 10:31 - Jan 2 with 8763 views | onehunglow |
My Gid,the most sickening docu drama I’ve seen in years
Toby Jones simply brilliant as the guy instrumental in exposing this national scandal which saw good people made redundant ,homeless and life savings swallowed by a Post Office so inept and arrogant it’s hard to contemplate.
People died because of this
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:41 - Jan 2 with 3709 views | Thrasher6 |
Thought it was first class and got my stamp of approval... |  |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:44 - Jan 2 with 3698 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:41 - Jan 2 by Thrasher6 |
Thought it was first class and got my stamp of approval... |
Very good.
It’s a hard watch isn’t it. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:51 - Jan 2 with 3695 views | Thrasher6 |
Joking aside I knew one of those affected very well and it was a pretty harrowing experience that his family had. It was a shocking abuse of power by the Post Office and how they didn't connect the effing dots and realise they were in the wrong.....was simply staggeringly arrogant. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:04 - Jan 2 with 3677 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:51 - Jan 2 by Thrasher6 |
Joking aside I knew one of those affected very well and it was a pretty harrowing experience that his family had. It was a shocking abuse of power by the Post Office and how they didn't connect the effing dots and realise they were in the wrong.....was simply staggeringly arrogant. |
Our local postmaster was affected .
The Lost Offuce stayed shut for 12 months.
Great people,helpful with community right behind them.
I see him around now,a broken man really.
National scandal and these peoples re the rock bed of our communities | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:05 - Jan 2 with 3662 views | Kilkennyjack |
Well said OHL, some senior people do need to be held accountable for this dreadful situation.
Start with those at the top. |  |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:11 - Jan 2 with 3661 views | onehunglow |
Because these poor buggers aren’t the complaining type ,they were royally shafted.
PO acted like a national bully ,one who couldn’t be questioned .
I read interminable posts of how Johnson should be jailed.
Whoever sanctioned this grotesque coverup by PO should be locked up .
When I was Store manager,at a young age, cashing up on a Saturday defined my weekend.
Any shortages in the tills brought untold pressure from above.
Stock takes were also traumatic .
Staff collusion at the cash desks saw me lose my store but I got an assistant manager post at another store .
It was very worrying so I feel for these people ,when the bloody system was to blame | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:01 - Jan 2 with 3626 views | Thrasher6 |
My mate was Lee Castleton....
https://www.ft.com/content/f100c560-b3be-4c01-a184-d7d61bf023d8
Marshall highlighted the case of Lee Castleton, a sub-postmaster in east Yorkshire, who was left bankrupt after a judge awarded the Post Office £321,000 in costs and fees following claims he had stolen £26,000. Castleton was exonerated following the 2019 group litigation.
Castleton was forced to represent himself after he exhausted legal insurance on a counter claim. Post Office lawyers in an internal meeting discussed subjecting Castleton to an “ambush” at his trial by serving him with 15 witness statements shortly before the proceedings.
His trial was treated as a test case by senior Post Office officials, evidence to the inquiry revealed. Richard Morgan KC, the barrister instructed in Castleton’s case, denied in September that he had set out to ambush him.
However, he recognised that the case itself had been disproportionate given the disparity between the amounts Castleton was accused of stealing and the money the Post Office spent on the litigation. “I thought it was commercial madness,” he told the inquiry. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:34 - Jan 2 with 3602 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:51 - Jan 2 by Thrasher6 |
Joking aside I knew one of those affected very well and it was a pretty harrowing experience that his family had. It was a shocking abuse of power by the Post Office and how they didn't connect the effing dots and realise they were in the wrong.....was simply staggeringly arrogant. |
I'm pretty sure that they did connect the dots but pressed on regardless and for that people at the very top should be in jail. | | | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:41 - Jan 2 with 3593 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:05 - Jan 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Well said OHL, some senior people do need to be held accountable for this dreadful situation.
Start with those at the top. |
Correct the horizon system was introduced in 1999 under labour. The management of the Post Office and fujitsu lnew about software problems as early 2000 but chose not to make them public.
Another failure of a nationalised company entirely owned by the UK Government. Wonder if there will be an equiry into the Labour government's introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:38 - Jan 2 with 3550 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:41 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct the horizon system was introduced in 1999 under labour. The management of the Post Office and fujitsu lnew about software problems as early 2000 but chose not to make them public.
Another failure of a nationalised company entirely owned by the UK Government. Wonder if there will be an equiry into the Labour government's introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice. |
Miscarriage in its purest sense,too. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:09 - Jan 2 with 3494 views | Ohyeah |
To get a proper perspective of this scandal people need to read the excellent book "The great Post Office scandal" by Nick Wallis...
Its truly shocking the bare faced lies & maltreatment & contempt the Government/Fujitsu & the Post Office showed to these poor sub-postmasters...
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:53 - Jan 2 with 3473 views | Gwyn737 |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:41 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct the horizon system was introduced in 1999 under labour. The management of the Post Office and fujitsu lnew about software problems as early 2000 but chose not to make them public.
Another failure of a nationalised company entirely owned by the UK Government. Wonder if there will be an equiry into the Labour government's introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice. |
Absolutely horrendous story.
Whoever was involved in the cover up should be held to account. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 15:33 - Jan 2 with 3434 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:53 - Jan 2 by Gwyn737 |
Absolutely horrendous story.
Whoever was involved in the cover up should be held to account. |
Sometimes you see something in the news and don't appreciate the story and heartache behind it. It's important that this type of program highlights these issues. |  | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 18:17 - Jan 2 with 3336 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:51 - Jan 2 by Thrasher6 |
Joking aside I knew one of those affected very well and it was a pretty harrowing experience that his family had. It was a shocking abuse of power by the Post Office and how they didn't connect the effing dots and realise they were in the wrong.....was simply staggeringly arrogant. |
I was with Royl mail at the time and spoke with several postmasters who said the same things, the"new" Horizon system was dodgy, the computers were already 5 yars old when they were bought and that the PO were doing it on the cheap. One in particular, in Wauarlwydd post office said it was crap from day one.
I also believe there were people high up who knew without a doubt the Horizon system was to blame but rather than admit their own failings chose to say nothing and prosecute, that is purely my own opinion and I have no roof but there were too many people having too many problems for somebody to not know.
Somebody should be in prison and it was never one of those innocent post office staff. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 18:39 - Jan 2 with 3321 views | majorraglan |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 12:41 - Jan 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Correct the horizon system was introduced in 1999 under labour. The management of the Post Office and fujitsu lnew about software problems as early 2000 but chose not to make them public.
Another failure of a nationalised company entirely owned by the UK Government. Wonder if there will be an equiry into the Labour government's introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice. |
What happened is completely outrageous and unacceptable and the people who knew about the faults in the system but still left innocent people be prosecute need to be held to account. You ask about an enquiry in to Labours introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice, but it’s worth pointing out that prosecutions continued well in to 2015 some 5 years after Cameron took over. During this time the Post Office (who were owned by the government) failed to disclose information to the Second Sight forensic review of the Horizon system, the Post Office withdrew from reviews and mediation schemes and they also town an IT working group the day before a key review was to be published.
There’s lots of people who don’t come out of this very well, but it’s hardly a 1 party matter. The senior people behind this miscarriage will of justice must be held to account. If that’s executives, civil servants or ministers then do be it. Nobody should be above the law.
Vennels the Chief Executive between 2012 and 2019 and was in charge until prosecutions stopped in 2015. In 2019 Vennels was appointed as a non executive director to the Cabinet Office by the Conservative Government of the day.
Edit, the system was originally meant to offer a seem less system do that benefits could be paid at the post office, however the DSS rejected the system early doors. [Post edited 2 Jan 21:29]
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 18:47 - Jan 2 with 3315 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
On the face of it, the PO launched criminal proceedings when they knew that their evidence was unreliable, I think there is room for a police investigation here? |  |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 19:17 - Jan 2 with 3275 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 18:47 - Jan 2 by JACKMANANDBOY |
On the face of it, the PO launched criminal proceedings when they knew that their evidence was unreliable, I think there is room for a police investigation here? |
Perverting the course of justice? | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:03 - Jan 2 with 3222 views | majorraglan |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 19:17 - Jan 2 by Whiterockin |
Perverting the course of justice? |
Possibly, another one they could potentially consider is Misconduct in Public Office. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:14 - Jan 2 with 3213 views | Gwyn737 |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 18:39 - Jan 2 by majorraglan |
What happened is completely outrageous and unacceptable and the people who knew about the faults in the system but still left innocent people be prosecute need to be held to account. You ask about an enquiry in to Labours introduction and handling of this miscarriage of justice, but it’s worth pointing out that prosecutions continued well in to 2015 some 5 years after Cameron took over. During this time the Post Office (who were owned by the government) failed to disclose information to the Second Sight forensic review of the Horizon system, the Post Office withdrew from reviews and mediation schemes and they also town an IT working group the day before a key review was to be published.
There’s lots of people who don’t come out of this very well, but it’s hardly a 1 party matter. The senior people behind this miscarriage will of justice must be held to account. If that’s executives, civil servants or ministers then do be it. Nobody should be above the law.
Vennels the Chief Executive between 2012 and 2019 and was in charge until prosecutions stopped in 2015. In 2019 Vennels was appointed as a non executive director to the Cabinet Office by the Conservative Government of the day.
Edit, the system was originally meant to offer a seem less system do that benefits could be paid at the post office, however the DSS rejected the system early doors. [Post edited 2 Jan 21:29]
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Read around this a bit tonight.
It seems that the biggest villain was Paula Vennals. What an awful human being. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 23:15 - Jan 2 with 3151 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:14 - Jan 2 by Gwyn737 |
Read around this a bit tonight.
It seems that the biggest villain was Paula Vennals. What an awful human being. |
Campaign to have her stripped of her CBE.
This award to people like this turns my stomach
I would love to see our whole Honours list scrapped immediately | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 23:33 - Jan 2 with 3143 views | Boundy |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:14 - Jan 2 by Gwyn737 |
Read around this a bit tonight.
It seems that the biggest villain was Paula Vennals. What an awful human being. |
Her a vicar as well, odoius bitch | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 09:03 - Jan 3 with 3056 views | onehunglow |
My wife is originally from a small village in south Wirral .
The local postmaster was subjected to this .
He hung himself.
His replacement took his place and he too was accused of theft of thousands .
Clearly, what is good is the fact this has now touched a nerve nationally and about time too.
Who is going to pay ?
That is what should be asked | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 09:31 - Jan 3 with 3027 views | controversial_jack |
Why did the police and CPS take thew case forward? | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:16 - Jan 3 with 2998 views | Whiterockin |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 09:31 - Jan 3 by controversial_jack |
Why did the police and CPS take thew case forward? |
Possibly because they believed "the establishment" who lied instead of individuals who were clearly telling the truth. The television programme has brought the detail of this to the forefront, hopefully there will be major repercussions and heads will roll. Sadly it will be too late for many and will never be able to erase the injustice. | | | |
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