| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:09 - Apr 24 with 1135 views | bennytheblue |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 06:34 - Apr 23 by PawelAbbott |
Sala would have signed at the end of the transfer window, that only left him with 13 games to play in. Of those 13 games Cardiff won 5. So they can only claim additional points for the other 8. They finished 2 points behind Brighton with a -13 goal difference in comparison, so they needed 3 points realistically.
They lost 5-1 to Watford, so can't claim anything
3-0 to Everton so can't really claim they'd get anything
2-0 to Wolves, 1 point but doubtful
2-1 to Chelsea who finished 3rd, so nothing plausible
2-0 to Man city, so no points plausible
2-0 to Burnley, potentially a point
2-0 to Liverpool, no points likely
1-0 away to fulham who finished below them
3-2 home against Palace who finished 12th
There are at best a couple of games where they could have got a point, Fulham, Palace and Burnley. Otherwise the other games Pele in his prime wouldn't have made any difference. |
You forget we were beating Chelsea towards the start of that run, I think they “found” an equaliser in the 83rd minute through what must have been one of the clearest off side decisions ( a metre off at least) I e ever seen. Warnock still goes on about the injustice of that now on TS, if ever there was favouritism for the top teams it was clear that day. Of course, after blatant cheating they went on to get a winner. Warnock said that game killed them off. Looking at results after that he has a point.
In saying all they Tan is mental. I guess it’s the only way he will ever get the 100 million HE has wasted back, the blundering fool he is. |  | |  |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:13 - Apr 24 with 1121 views | SullutaCreturned |
I read that he went back to say goodbye but was unaware of a leaving party he was invited to.
This has now developed into finger pointing, one persons OPINION against anothers. It doesn't prove anything.
The Cardiff fella isn't going to admit to the accusation. The truth can never be found here because neither side will speak it, they want what they want and they'll only say what backs their side of the case up.
The one thing that is impossible to prove whatever else is said is whether Sala would have scored the goals to keep Cardiff up. There is no way of knowing the outcome. Sala ould easily have flopped and cost them more points, got them relegated sooner.
It's like saying if we'd played Kuhareyvich instead of Yates we'd have made the play offs, crazy talk. |  | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:17 - Apr 24 with 1107 views | union_jack |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:09 - Apr 24 by bennytheblue |
You forget we were beating Chelsea towards the start of that run, I think they “found” an equaliser in the 83rd minute through what must have been one of the clearest off side decisions ( a metre off at least) I e ever seen. Warnock still goes on about the injustice of that now on TS, if ever there was favouritism for the top teams it was clear that day. Of course, after blatant cheating they went on to get a winner. Warnock said that game killed them off. Looking at results after that he has a point.
In saying all they Tan is mental. I guess it’s the only way he will ever get the 100 million HE has wasted back, the blundering fool he is. |
And Sala in the pitch woukd have changed the (perceived) bias of the officials?
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:36 - Apr 24 with 1097 views | Whiterockin |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:13 - Apr 24 by SullutaCreturned |
I read that he went back to say goodbye but was unaware of a leaving party he was invited to.
This has now developed into finger pointing, one persons OPINION against anothers. It doesn't prove anything.
The Cardiff fella isn't going to admit to the accusation. The truth can never be found here because neither side will speak it, they want what they want and they'll only say what backs their side of the case up.
The one thing that is impossible to prove whatever else is said is whether Sala would have scored the goals to keep Cardiff up. There is no way of knowing the outcome. Sala ould easily have flopped and cost them more points, got them relegated sooner.
It's like saying if we'd played Kuhareyvich instead of Yates we'd have made the play offs, crazy talk. |
The last paragraph is more probable than Cardiff staying up. |  | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 19:18 - Apr 24 with 1065 views | bennytheblue |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:17 - Apr 24 by union_jack |
And Sala in the pitch woukd have changed the (perceived) bias of the officials?
Look, nobody likes you and I know, you don’t care😉😂 |
I couldn’t care less, it’s just a load of guff…got to feel for Sala, unfortunately had McKay looking after him. Bad move | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 20:24 - Apr 24 with 1011 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 10:07 - Apr 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Going well into the realms of chaos theory and the butterfly effect here but it could potentially be the case that if they had bought Sala he would have played instead of one of the players who might have scored in some of those wins turning them into losses. Literally anything could have happened which is why this case is so frivolous. |
It is not frivolous. There is a precedent in the Tevez / Mashcerano case. This is the reverse of this case as the Argentinians did play and were successful.
Cardiff argue they would have stayed up if the Argentina had played.
Sheffield utd argue West Ham would have gone down if the Argentinians had not played.
One for the sharper brains to understand. Plenty of sharp brains in court but it is France not UK. |  |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 23:25 - Apr 24 with 924 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 20:24 - Apr 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is not frivolous. There is a precedent in the Tevez / Mashcerano case. This is the reverse of this case as the Argentinians did play and were successful.
Cardiff argue they would have stayed up if the Argentina had played.
Sheffield utd argue West Ham would have gone down if the Argentinians had not played.
One for the sharper brains to understand. Plenty of sharp brains in court but it is France not UK. |
There is a clear distinction with the tevez case though. We know from recorded fact how much he contributed to their league position. Goals, assists, dribbles, key passes, points gained etc. There’s a wealth of undeniable statistics to how much he helped the team.
Take a player who never played a single minute for Cardiff and you are purely in the realms of speculation. Just because he scored a decent amount of goals for a mid to top half ligue 1 team doesn’t mean he’d hit it off immediately for some useless relegation threatened cloggers relying on nothing but long aimless hoofs and long throws in one of the most notoriously difficult leagues in the world.
Borja Barton scored 18 goals in la Liga when we signed him. Useless. |  |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 12:00 - Apr 25 with 804 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 23:25 - Apr 24 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
There is a clear distinction with the tevez case though. We know from recorded fact how much he contributed to their league position. Goals, assists, dribbles, key passes, points gained etc. There’s a wealth of undeniable statistics to how much he helped the team.
Take a player who never played a single minute for Cardiff and you are purely in the realms of speculation. Just because he scored a decent amount of goals for a mid to top half ligue 1 team doesn’t mean he’d hit it off immediately for some useless relegation threatened cloggers relying on nothing but long aimless hoofs and long throws in one of the most notoriously difficult leagues in the world.
Borja Barton scored 18 goals in la Liga when we signed him. Useless. |
I told you this was one for the sharpest brains. There is a distinction but the precedent is a mirror image. Sheffield Utd won their case and West Ham paid up.
Cardiff speculate on whether Salah would have improved the teams points situation. Only 2-3 points required
Shaff Utd speculated the reverse. How many points West Ham would NOT have got had the Argentinians not played. Carlton Cole was very young. Marlon Harewood was struggling. [Post edited 25 Apr 12:22]
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 17:04 - Apr 25 with 720 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 12:00 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I told you this was one for the sharpest brains. There is a distinction but the precedent is a mirror image. Sheffield Utd won their case and West Ham paid up.
Cardiff speculate on whether Salah would have improved the teams points situation. Only 2-3 points required
Shaff Utd speculated the reverse. How many points West Ham would NOT have got had the Argentinians not played. Carlton Cole was very young. Marlon Harewood was struggling. [Post edited 25 Apr 12:22]
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It shouldn't take a sharp brain to understand that Sheffield didn't speculate, they could definitely say that if Tevez was removed from the team then he couldn't possibly have contributed what he did.
We saw the end result of Tevez but what Sala MIGHT have contributed is pure guesswork. There is no way to accurately quantify it. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:07 - Apr 25 with 672 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 12:00 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I told you this was one for the sharpest brains. There is a distinction but the precedent is a mirror image. Sheffield Utd won their case and West Ham paid up.
Cardiff speculate on whether Salah would have improved the teams points situation. Only 2-3 points required
Shaff Utd speculated the reverse. How many points West Ham would NOT have got had the Argentinians not played. Carlton Cole was very young. Marlon Harewood was struggling. [Post edited 25 Apr 12:22]
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Sheffield United and West Ham settled amicably out of court on seemingly good terms following an arbitration hearing so how can it be a precedent? | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:14 - Apr 25 with 665 views | max936 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 17:04 - Apr 25 by SullutaCreturned |
It shouldn't take a sharp brain to understand that Sheffield didn't speculate, they could definitely say that if Tevez was removed from the team then he couldn't possibly have contributed what he did.
We saw the end result of Tevez but what Sala MIGHT have contributed is pure guesswork. There is no way to accurately quantify it. |
Sense! |  |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:14 - Apr 25 with 663 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 17:04 - Apr 25 by SullutaCreturned |
It shouldn't take a sharp brain to understand that Sheffield didn't speculate, they could definitely say that if Tevez was removed from the team then he couldn't possibly have contributed what he did.
We saw the end result of Tevez but what Sala MIGHT have contributed is pure guesswork. There is no way to accurately quantify it. |
Yes but you are then speculating on what Maron Harewood and Carlton Cole would have done in their place. The same as Sala.
West Ham would still have played two forwards. West Ham accepted that they would have NOT scored sufficiently to keep them up and settled the claim. It is the same theoretical argument. | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 19:09 - Apr 25 with 632 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 18:14 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Yes but you are then speculating on what Maron Harewood and Carlton Cole would have done in their place. The same as Sala.
West Ham would still have played two forwards. West Ham accepted that they would have NOT scored sufficiently to keep them up and settled the claim. It is the same theoretical argument. |
Yeah, that's the part you are failing to grasp, the decision was that in the absence of any evidence about what the other 2 players would have done and without Tevez, WHU would probably have been relegated.
You see you CANNOT guarantee what any player might have done but you can guarantee that remove a player and his factual, recorded contribution couldn't have happened.
We know what Tevez did but nobody can guarantee what Sala would have done. Just as nobody could guarantee that Harewood or Cole would have kept WHU up. So WHU settled.
You just defeated your own argument, well done, it's genius. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 19:46 - Apr 25 with 596 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 19:09 - Apr 25 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah, that's the part you are failing to grasp, the decision was that in the absence of any evidence about what the other 2 players would have done and without Tevez, WHU would probably have been relegated.
You see you CANNOT guarantee what any player might have done but you can guarantee that remove a player and his factual, recorded contribution couldn't have happened.
We know what Tevez did but nobody can guarantee what Sala would have done. Just as nobody could guarantee that Harewood or Cole would have kept WHU up. So WHU settled.
You just defeated your own argument, well done, it's genius. |
You use the word GUARANTEE as people often do. Guarantees have caveats.
In law they are even less common. There was no guarantee that Harwood and Cole would not score the goals Tevez scored. The settlement was based on the reasonable interpretation of what would most reasonably be expected. West Ham considered that Harwood and Cole would not score the same as Tevez and settled. The debate was not about Tevez 's output but the comparison of points achieved
"with Tevez and Mascherano " (known) and
"without Tevez and Mascherano" (unknown)
Cardiff similarly will look at points achieved
"With Sala at number 9" (sadly unknown)
"without Sala at number 9" (known)
Would Sala have garnered 2-3 points extra? Warnock certainly believed so.
There is a precedent. People who talk guarantees are not on the ball. | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 21:00 - Apr 25 with 552 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 19:46 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You use the word GUARANTEE as people often do. Guarantees have caveats.
In law they are even less common. There was no guarantee that Harwood and Cole would not score the goals Tevez scored. The settlement was based on the reasonable interpretation of what would most reasonably be expected. West Ham considered that Harwood and Cole would not score the same as Tevez and settled. The debate was not about Tevez 's output but the comparison of points achieved
"with Tevez and Mascherano " (known) and
"without Tevez and Mascherano" (unknown)
Cardiff similarly will look at points achieved
"With Sala at number 9" (sadly unknown)
"without Sala at number 9" (known)
Would Sala have garnered 2-3 points extra? Warnock certainly believed so.
There is a precedent. People who talk guarantees are not on the ball. |
I guarantee you (without any caveat) that nobodly can accurately predict what any team would do if yoy added a different player in.
If football was that easy to predict then the bookies would be broke.
Oh Cardiff have signed Sala, they'll definitely stay up now. Or as the stats company put it, they have a 54% chance which isn't great odds.
That you cannot see how ridiculous it is to compare a known and give the same result with an unknown just proves something that I'm not allowed to say.
Anything could have happened, Sala could have gotten injured, he may not have performed, he may have gotten in the way of his own team mates, being new. Borja Baston was 15 million and he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Svcored regularly in Spain though.
You keep on flogging this horse but it is more akin to a Norwegian Blue parrot. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 22:23 - Apr 25 with 505 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 21:00 - Apr 25 by SullutaCreturned |
I guarantee you (without any caveat) that nobodly can accurately predict what any team would do if yoy added a different player in.
If football was that easy to predict then the bookies would be broke.
Oh Cardiff have signed Sala, they'll definitely stay up now. Or as the stats company put it, they have a 54% chance which isn't great odds.
That you cannot see how ridiculous it is to compare a known and give the same result with an unknown just proves something that I'm not allowed to say.
Anything could have happened, Sala could have gotten injured, he may not have performed, he may have gotten in the way of his own team mates, being new. Borja Baston was 15 million and he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Svcored regularly in Spain though.
You keep on flogging this horse but it is more akin to a Norwegian Blue parrot. |
You are asking for "guarantees" again. I am not a lawyer but a word they prefer is "reasonable" .
Cardiff wil argue had they had this £15m centre forward they would have garnered at least 3 extra points from their remaining 20 games or so. He would replace the misfiring Kenneth Zahore.
The court would need the views of both French and UK football experts. Zahore was not very good and Sala was on form. Is it reasonable to think Sala would have been much better than Zahore or somebody else at the club ad this would have garnered points.
Did West Ham argue Harewood and Cole would be close to Tevez and Mascherano? No THEY SETTLED.
Nottingham Forest signed a £15m striker Taiwo Awoniyi and he saved them from the drop. | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 07:59 - Apr 26 with 435 views | Boundy |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 22:23 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are asking for "guarantees" again. I am not a lawyer but a word they prefer is "reasonable" .
Cardiff wil argue had they had this £15m centre forward they would have garnered at least 3 extra points from their remaining 20 games or so. He would replace the misfiring Kenneth Zahore.
The court would need the views of both French and UK football experts. Zahore was not very good and Sala was on form. Is it reasonable to think Sala would have been much better than Zahore or somebody else at the club ad this would have garnered points.
Did West Ham argue Harewood and Cole would be close to Tevez and Mascherano? No THEY SETTLED.
Nottingham Forest signed a £15m striker Taiwo Awoniyi and he saved them from the drop. |
"Nottingham Forest signed a £15m striker Taiwo Awoniyi and he saved them from the drop" and the reason for that was he played | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 10:24 - Apr 26 with 398 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 22:23 - Apr 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are asking for "guarantees" again. I am not a lawyer but a word they prefer is "reasonable" .
Cardiff wil argue had they had this £15m centre forward they would have garnered at least 3 extra points from their remaining 20 games or so. He would replace the misfiring Kenneth Zahore.
The court would need the views of both French and UK football experts. Zahore was not very good and Sala was on form. Is it reasonable to think Sala would have been much better than Zahore or somebody else at the club ad this would have garnered points.
Did West Ham argue Harewood and Cole would be close to Tevez and Mascherano? No THEY SETTLED.
Nottingham Forest signed a £15m striker Taiwo Awoniyi and he saved them from the drop. |
I didn't ask for a guarantee, I gave one. Nobody can accurately predict the future otherwise the bookies would all be bankrupt.
AGAIN, Borja Baston, 15 million and a flop.
The only reasonable thing ANY football expert could say is that Sala MIGHT have kept them up but there is no guarantee. Cardiff are trying to say he would guarantee their survival and that is not a reasonable claim.
You say you don't like guarantees yet you try to claim Cardiff's survival is guaranteed with Sala, double standards right there.
The court will setlle the case and given some of the judgements I have read about from French courts, they may give Cardiff the verdict. We'll see. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:10 - Apr 26 with 333 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 10:24 - Apr 26 by SullutaCreturned |
I didn't ask for a guarantee, I gave one. Nobody can accurately predict the future otherwise the bookies would all be bankrupt.
AGAIN, Borja Baston, 15 million and a flop.
The only reasonable thing ANY football expert could say is that Sala MIGHT have kept them up but there is no guarantee. Cardiff are trying to say he would guarantee their survival and that is not a reasonable claim.
You say you don't like guarantees yet you try to claim Cardiff's survival is guaranteed with Sala, double standards right there.
The court will setlle the case and given some of the judgements I have read about from French courts, they may give Cardiff the verdict. We'll see. |
You should not use the word "guarantee" but continue to do so. There is a reasonable likelihood Sala would have made a sufficient difference.
The case will hopefully force Nantes to shoulder their share of the blame At present Vincent Tan is piking up all the tabs. This in my opinion is not fair on him. | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:13 - Apr 26 with 326 views | Whiterockin |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:10 - Apr 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You should not use the word "guarantee" but continue to do so. There is a reasonable likelihood Sala would have made a sufficient difference.
The case will hopefully force Nantes to shoulder their share of the blame At present Vincent Tan is piking up all the tabs. This in my opinion is not fair on him. |
Tan could always leave it go. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:34 - Apr 26 with 280 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:10 - Apr 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You should not use the word "guarantee" but continue to do so. There is a reasonable likelihood Sala would have made a sufficient difference.
The case will hopefully force Nantes to shoulder their share of the blame At present Vincent Tan is piking up all the tabs. This in my opinion is not fair on him. |
Oh, so I shouldn't eh 
I'll use whatever language I like, inside therules of course. There is just as much likelihood that Sala would have failed in what was a poor Cardiff side.
Your opinion really doesn't count, not any more than mine or anybody else not connected. If the case goes against Tan then he'll be "picking" up another tab.
Maybe you hadn't noticed but the world isn't a fair place, why is it fair on Nantes that they sell a player (and even you cannot argue that he was a CCFC player) and then they have to pay Cardiff over 100 million making them 89 million out of pocket?
Maybe Cardiff shouldnt have been negligent and made sure to arrange Sala's transport themselves, that issue will be deided by the court, not some nobody on here. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:38 - Apr 26 with 268 views | Whiterockin |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:34 - Apr 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh, so I shouldn't eh
I'll use whatever language I like, inside therules of course. There is just as much likelihood that Sala would have failed in what was a poor Cardiff side.
Your opinion really doesn't count, not any more than mine or anybody else not connected. If the case goes against Tan then he'll be "picking" up another tab.
Maybe you hadn't noticed but the world isn't a fair place, why is it fair on Nantes that they sell a player (and even you cannot argue that he was a CCFC player) and then they have to pay Cardiff over 100 million making them 89 million out of pocket?
Maybe Cardiff shouldnt have been negligent and made sure to arrange Sala's transport themselves, that issue will be deided by the court, not some nobody on here. |
Maybe Cardiff shouldn't have let him travel, they didn't have to. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:55 - Apr 26 with 246 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:10 - Apr 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You should not use the word "guarantee" but continue to do so. There is a reasonable likelihood Sala would have made a sufficient difference.
The case will hopefully force Nantes to shoulder their share of the blame At present Vincent Tan is piking up all the tabs. This in my opinion is not fair on him. |
What blame do Nantes have to share though? The person criminally responsible for these deaths was convicted of two charges. He organised an illegal flight in a dodgy plane in horrific weather conditions with a pilot who wasn’t qualified and not licensed to carry passengers.
How is any of this the fault of Nantes football club? | |
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| You couldn’t make it up ! on 17:05 - Apr 26 with 225 views | Whiterockin |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:55 - Apr 26 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
What blame do Nantes have to share though? The person criminally responsible for these deaths was convicted of two charges. He organised an illegal flight in a dodgy plane in horrific weather conditions with a pilot who wasn’t qualified and not licensed to carry passengers.
How is any of this the fault of Nantes football club? |
What if it goes to court and Nantes turn up with reports from two different analytics company's saying much lower percentages of survival. Does anyone actually believe that Cardiff only employed one company and they came up with the 54%, or did they employ several and took the highest percentage. If Nantes were to prove this it could be very interesting. | | | |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 17:06 - Apr 26 with 225 views | SullutaCreturned |
| You couldn’t make it up ! on 16:55 - Apr 26 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
What blame do Nantes have to share though? The person criminally responsible for these deaths was convicted of two charges. He organised an illegal flight in a dodgy plane in horrific weather conditions with a pilot who wasn’t qualified and not licensed to carry passengers.
How is any of this the fault of Nantes football club? |
Because Resloven says so. He should go back to Narnia, Wonderland or wherever he's actually from and take a rest | | | |
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