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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 15:13 31 Jan 2026
Shame. You're easily lost.
When you might not have information you trust 100% you go for back up from the most trusted sources available. Club accounts (via Swiss Ramble) tell you that the player wages budget in that table "whatever it's accuracy" is roughly in line with the clubs total expenditure on wages and salaries. 18th in the Championship in those years. So I say it is useful information illustrating a point.
It's not a great surprise because we were only 19th on revenue and 19th on attendances that year. [Post edited 31 Jan 16:03]
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 13:48 31 Jan 2026
Championship player wages v the club's overall wage bill?
You are comparing apples and pears?
AI estimates from various sources QPR Holdings Ltd employed 310 people in late 2025? The data above, whatever it's accuracy, is meant to cover 29 of the 310 employees.
In 2023/24, the last complete Championship club accounts available at the time, the total wages and salary bill for the division was £892M. This works out at an average of £35.1M per club (Source - Swiss Ramble). QPR were on £23.8M at the time, since reduced.
This by the Sentinel Group goes into more detail -
https://sentinelsportsgroup.co
(Source - Club Accounts/Swiss Ramble)
As you see we come out 18th highest on overall staff costs.
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 13:09 31 Jan 2026
This is the information on Championship wages you find on the net.
(Source - Givemesport, Capology) reliability unknown.
The average annual player salary in the division is estimated by them at £595,000.
Every 2025/26 Championship Club's Wage Bill
1. Leicester City £42,926,000
2. Southampton £38,142,000
3. Ipswich Town £28,678,000
4. Sheffield United £27,300,000
5. Norwich City £22,802,000
6. West Bromwich Albion £21,008,000
7. Hull City £20,628,400
8. Middlesbrough £19,680,000
9. Watford £19,646,000
10. Birmingham City £18,850,000
11. Wrexham £18,187,000
12. Stoke City £17,836,000
13. Millwall £14,666,000
14. Derby County £14,398,000
15. Oxford United £13,751,400
16. Queens Park Rangers £13,500,800
17. Bristol City £13,468,400
18. Preston North End £13,322,400
19. Blackburn Rovers £13,106,000
20. Coventry City £12,948,000
21. Swansea City £12,380,000
22. Sheffield Wednesday £11,515,400
23. Portsmouth £9,568,000
24. Charlton Athletic £9,103,200 |
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 19:52 30 Jan 2026
There are players with worrying injury records. There are players with bodies which suggest they might break down at some point who haven't had many injuries. Others who have niggles they play through or earlier operations....... Then there are the unlucky ones where the injury comes out of the blue. You'd have to say it is a complicated picture.
Every club takes risks but how much risk to take, and for what reason?
If clubs are to be believed they are always guided by the medics? |
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 15:43 30 Jan 2026
I'll make the point yet again in case anyone wants to face the facts.
With a below average player budget for the division something has to give. We could try to get by with less players than most of the division. We could sign more League One level players for less wages. Players that will run all day, not tire in the second half or get injured, but unfortunately get relegated anyway. Or we could compromise in another way.
The compromise the club could have decided on, but wouldn't admit to of course, is they are accepting some risks in recruitment in terms of injury records or physiology. If we are getting more injuries than average that may be the reason? It's just a theory.
But with less money to spend on players, than at least two thirds of the division it seems, something has to give. |
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 23:38 29 Jan 2026
Why you little sh*t Numpty.
A supporter?
You hardly ever go to a game.
You're just on here all the time courting popularity.
In this madhouse!
Just like the others you don't admit to all the losing bets.
The few £100's are all borrowed at extortionate rates of interest.
The salesman would have offered £5k off until he saw who it was.
Intermediate qualification you say.....
Is that where you type a question and wait for the answer?
Super! |
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Reply | Christian Nourry - Two Year Anniversary
at 17:43 29 Jan 2026
All we need is a supporter with a few £100M, who is both a brilliant thinker, a good negotiator and owns a top rank data analysing outfit, and doesn't mind using that, his time and money on a hobby, QPR.
Otherwise we are just another club seeking to buy low and sell high, and running hard to stand still. Thankfully we might have some brains in the outfit at the moment including Nourry and JS. It's going to take more. As for Nourry I don't mind how posh, smarmy or uncommunicative he is with fans I just want him and the board to make good decisions. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 00:26 29 Jan 2026
Well Mr Pushy I am sure we could have less injuries if we took a lot less risks, plus only recruited players with a hard as nails physique and flawless injury record. I am also fairly sure that strategy would fail badly for other reasons, financial and/or results wise. I don't know if the performance function is doing a good job, a terrible job or something in between. Nobody on here seems to know either. They just think they know. The fact that the club brought back Williams and gave him additional functions suggests that they have faith in their man. They should know, we don't.
If you are already giving 100% just continuing doing that is all that can be asked. I don't believe anybody can give 110% strive as you might. Please see previous answer for whether we are giving 100%. I am all for the club being cleverer. Maybe we are doing a tad better because those making the decisions are cleverer, than has been the case (Warburton excused that criticism).
Some posters distrust data, intelligence, nerdy types. It's all a bit Moneyball. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 23:19 28 Jan 2026
First point I have no problem with being in a minority.
I am making no claims whatsoever. It is for those accusing the club, and particular members of staff, of a shocking record of injuries to justify that claim. IF there are a larger number of injuries than average over a season there might be a number of causes including the characteristics of players we are recruiting. I have no idea why one person is being pointed to by a few posters when the whole thing should be and seems to be a team effort. I have an open mind. I am intrigued to know.
As for putting someone in a leadership position who has limited experience of one, or several, of the functions that are his/her responsibility I am surprised that you seem to think that's unusual these days. He's not a doctor or a physio or a nutritionist either. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 21:07 28 Jan 2026
(a) You say our shocking record of injuries. I say our injury record seems typical for professional football. When I ask for hard evidence of a shocking record all that the comes up are anecdotes and “you can see it with your own eyes you don’t need numbers”. For me a sure sign of ignorance of the actual record and perhaps what’s happening in the rest of football.
Also I made the point that with new players we may be accepting a greater risk of injury in order to get better players within our budget and wage limits. Players come with a physiology. Again nobody knows.
(b) Your main point is not ignored it is dealt with in my last sentence. I would suggest that only those that know Ben Williams work, knowledge, ability and character well could answer the point. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 19:50 28 Jan 2026
So the position when he joined us was that he had worked for Ineos in cycling and yatching (Americas Cup), football (Nice) and basketball (NBA). He has now worked for us for two and half years, one year part-time. If with his background he hasn’t learned by now all he needs to do that job to a very high standard I would be surprised.
If you were ever right I don’t think it still applies today. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 18:07 28 Jan 2026
Of course not.
If all he brought to the table was an incredible knowledge of cycling he wouldn't be at QPR. Knowledge, brains, fresh ideas and analytical ability is what I assume we were after. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 17:07 28 Jan 2026
Sorry I don't think I do agree Hunter.
I like the idea that knowledge is spread between different sports. It is not as if only one person is analysing performance for QPR. I believe there are four of them? Also there can be few sports, apart from F1, where there has been such a concentration of performance analysis taking every conceivable variable into account as cycling.
On your other points, you can have whatever rhetoric you want. Other people have me down as a realist and I can do without my club talking anything up other than for morale purposes. Some players seem to play better when they are told they are wonderful. That's different.
I don't know if the performance or any other function of the club is doing everything it reasonably can do. I don't expect my club to have a world class manager or any other perfect employee. If they exist the Premier League would have gobbled them up.
As a realist I have to accept that I can come across as depressing and defeatist to some people. Possibly the sort of people who are football fans posting on a forum. However I do believe that the club is edging in the right direction, which makes a change. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 15:39 28 Jan 2026
When the club are recruiting within our limited budget and wages what do they prioritise?
Maybe the choice includes League One level players who will run forever, not tire in the second half, rarely if ever getting injuries or alternatively players of at least Championship ability but having a history of some injuries? You would think that a club in our position has to take risks sometimes. Again it's about judgement, pluses and minuses. Sometimes the risks will pay off and sometimes they won't.
Of course I want the club to get better in every way. I have been supporting it for 60+ years. I have £10,000 invested in the training ground bonds. However I see myself as a supporter, not a critic. Excessive criticism just drags everyone down. I take the view that professional football is about as competitive as it gets and anybody involved on the playing side is a competitive animal likely to be giving it 100%.
Perhaps you being closer to the club know different. These days we live in a low trust society completely different from the society I grew up in. Now nobody seems to trust anybody to do their job properly. I see a lot of that in this and many other threads. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 23:23 27 Jan 2026
Well the argument goes round and round.
Your argument is that injuries and fitness are a particular problem for us and we should be doing better. I say there are always a lot of injuries in football, giving some evidence from the Premier League. What hard evidence have you got other than anecdote and a feeling in the water?
As for the minutes we give players that is a matter of judgement and compromise based on the feedback you are getting from the performance guys and medics and what you think you need to win. What can you reasonably get out of the best players? What risks can you reasonably take? How should you manage the squad players?
There are no absolutes here, just judgement, whether it is the medics, performance guys, coaches or the manager.
As for Sheffield Wednesday we were only 1-0 up with 81 minutes gone, Burrell scored the goal but only lasted 21 minutes. If we had lost that match this forum would have gone bonkers.
Hindsight is a beautiful thing. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 20:49 27 Jan 2026
As far as fitness is concerned with Sports Science and the data clubs now collect I would have thought that the coaches and performance team would know exactly what each player's capacities are. Distance covered, sprint distances and speed and all the other metrics they collect. If a player is achieving below their personal capacity or performance is dropping off quickly they will know by how much in real time and probably have the reasons for that.
From Athletics we know that when athletes try to stay at or exceed their peak they becoming more vulnerable to injury and illness. Then's the importance of recovery which is talked about a lot these days and maybe that is where A-A-H teams are really hit relative to the H-H-A teams. Dealing with all this must be a matter of judgement and compromise, along with the players abilities, tactics and all the other factors.
Tell the club that the players must be fitter if you like but I reckon you are way behind the game in terms of what they know, what they can do about it and what's possible. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 19:41 27 Jan 2026
Injuries come with football. With the best conditioning, physical specimens, and medical support money can buy Arsenal had already had 27 players out with injuries by around this time last season. The average for the Premier League up to 25 games through the 2024/25 season was 15. |
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Reply | Three-game weeks
at 16:06 27 Jan 2026
So what statistical evidence is there that our fitness and injury record is any worse than other Championship clubs?
I don’t mean anecdotes or feelings in the bowels. I mean hard evidence? |
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Reply | Form Guide:
at 16:30 26 Jan 2026
Well we are below our 12th league position on the Championship wages budget available table, which is anything from 16th to 20th according to the sources I've seen. Which fits with our current 19th place on attendances. Maybe someone is doing an above average job to compensate for the lack of money. I wouldn't have a clue who? |
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Reply | Form Guide:
at 01:58 26 Jan 2026
Its not an organisational failure, a lack of effort or any of the other daft theories that turn up on this board. What it is is the opposition want to win as much as we do and being of roughly equal ability they will win some of the time and we will win some of the time.
What's now called Profitability & Sustainability rules (the old FFP) ensure that most of us are recruiting from a pool of players of similar ability with the predictable result that we are all much of a muchness. With parachute payments giving some clubs an advantage, lucky ones overachieving for a while (eg Beale The Bullshitter's spell for a few short months), for the rest of us it's a tough ask. |
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