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It's irrelevant if he gives a free vote or not as the majority of Labour MP's would just ignore him anyway and vote as they wished. His opinion and his authority on any matter is simply irrelevant. He is a lame duck and he isn't going to last long before he has a nervous breakdown and quits. I mean seriously he is a joke and couldnt run a bath let alone a country. If I was a rational member of the Labour Party I'd be embarrassed by the shambles.
Corbyn seems to be a decent man, a man of principle, however he doesnt seem to be in touch with what the British people want.
Im not sticking up for any party here, just saying that if you want to win an election you have to be putting out policies that engage with the people and Corbyn doesnt seem able to do that.
The british people seem to want action against immigrants and terrorists, Im not saying that is right or wrong, but it is what the majority seem to want and why the tories won an election they were predicted to lose, the silent majority spoke
Labour got trounced at the last election but they have learned nothing and now have a leader put into a job by a vote that was enhanced by effectively getting a load of students and other activists to join Labour and ensure the vore was won by Corbyn, its put Labour's cause back 10 years.
Socialism has to be backed by economic realism, it is simplistic to just say cancel weapons spending and use the money saved in other areas, we cant do that when there are so many war mongering countries out there
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 22:58 - Nov 29 with 4522 views
The free vote is something I think that'll be arrived at, and as much as it might look like him giving ground, it'll be a politically canny move.
A particular failing of the way that Labour has selected candidates will come back to bite them. Hard.
During Blair's tenure, there was push to get favoured candidates into safe seats. Favoured typically meant on the right of the party or part of a lobbying group like LFI.
Practically, this has meant them putting candidates into places which typically won't share their politics, because the left wing seats tend to be among the safest.
I think a free vote will be given, will be presented as a concession to those that want to vote with their consciences, but I also think it's a canny trap.
I think most sensible people realise that bombing Syria alone isn't going to make an appreciable difference. The US have flown thousands of sorties and their biggest problem is finding something to shoot at. The only people who benefit are arms manufacturers and oddly enough, ISIS, who'll get a better than average chance at radicalising anyone affected by the collateral damage.
The war wing of the Labour Party certainly knows this, so you're left with a few conclusions as to why they'd bother making a fuss about it in the first place.
The free vote is a canny trap because it's going to force a lot of these parachuted candidates to go one way or the other. Go with Corbyn, and drop your objections, or go with your "convictions" and have to face your constituents.
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 23:08 - Nov 29 with 4508 views
When you talk about these safe left wing seats, which you imply are particularly anti war, you are clearly not talking about the safe left wing seat in Oldham. Currently Labour have a 14,000 majority, yet UKIP will reduce that considerably. You, like most tree huggers, do not understand anything about working class people and working class areas. Just because these people vote Labour doesn't mean they are rabidly anti war, or share your love of immigrants coming in in droves. I visit working class areas the length and breadth of the country and talk to the people and I'm telling you that the overwhelming majority of them think there's too many immigrants over here, and I'm yet to meet one who's talked about going on a stop the war demo. Your view is not the reality, your view is a metropolitan Islington view, just like Corbyns blinkered take on it. I don't think you even know what left wing actually means. It's got sod all to do with being anti war, or pro immigrant.
So the British people want to be worse off? want tohave their hard work thats already nderpaid even more taken the piss out ofby cutting tax credits? The fact that the tories are so split that they are desperate to get labour to bail them out shows who is te real lame duck. Corbyn has had the biggest direct mandate for his postion as leaderof any political party in Britain. Given that Corbyn very very rarely gets accurately reported in the tory press I'd be wary making quick remarks about what Corbyn stands for. He stands for economic social and military security,not using an unstable reason as an alfresco arms fair for your disgusting mates in the arms trade
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 23:34 - Nov 29 with 4480 views
Above anything else, I think we should be bombing the murdering filth that is ISIS in their proclaimed homeland of Syria - and in particular, Raqqa. If those mass killings in Paris had happened here in London instead of the French capital, I would hope France would be instantly persuaded to join us, their close European ally and neighbour, in helping to diminish ISIS's operating capabilities - however restricted that might be.
The past week has seen ISIS lose hundreds of oil tankers and a refinery that were being used to drive cheap oil over the border into Turkey. President Erdogan's son owns an oil Co and was using cheap ISIS imports to line his own pockets handsomely. Many say that the reason a Russian jet was downed recently was because of the oil connection. The reason I mention the oil issue is that the RAF are the only air force that owns the Brimstone missile - an incredibly accurate, deadly, and remarkable piece of British kit. Costing around £100,000 each, they are designed primarily to take out mobile targets such as tanks, trucks and any moving vehicle whilst having a small area of destruction around the actual target. They are perfect for use against stolen ISIS tanks (for example) and as the only country with them, the Americans would love nothing more than to be able to call on them as and when required in Syria - something we are not currently able to do.
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 23:38 - Nov 29 with 4473 views
You are mental. The tax credits thing was badly handled but it's over now, just like the Tory youth scandal is over now. Your utterly impotent front bench haven't even mentioned either have they? Like Chesham said it's a walk in the park for the Tories now. Corbyn is just useless, why can't you see it?
Question for you itoldyouso, would you rather see Labour as it is now - totally unelectable and the Tories guaranteed another 10 years OR Labour with a leader like Liz Kendall who could win in 2015?
Think about what your saying, the greatest single reduction in wages in the last 10-15 years is due to the influx of foreigners prepared to work for a 1/4 or less of the going rate. That alone has seen the wage system derailed.
I'm well aware of (for want of a better term) "the Gillian Duffy effect", she being the woman concerned about immigration that Gordon Brown called "bigoted".
I think that immigration and Europe are going to be two of Corbyn's biggest challenges.
If there's anyone making assumptions here, it's you. It's like a Young Conservatives f**king bingo card.
I too meet working class people from all over the country, and in fairness, I initially encounter many of the same opinions as you do. I think the difference in how we deal with that is how we approach it.
My personal view is that there's not a great deal of difference in the lives of the working class, irrespective of what sky lord they happen to believe in. I think that differences are whipped up by the media in an effort to keep the working class pointing fingers at each other instead of wondering who is f**king them up.
I expect you deliver a view commensurate with the ones you deliver online.
Tell me, sir. Are you taken seriously by working class people when you tell them your first name?
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 23:56 - Nov 29 with 4454 views
Not to mention sending rents and house prices through the roof, gridlock on the roads, over crowded schools, not being able to get an appointment at the doctors for weeks. Mass Immigration has been a disaster for working class people.
So it's the medias fault. Oh dear you really thick as shit. Do you you really think that working class people are so stupid they can't work out for themselves that immigrants are lowering their wages and in turn their living standards?
I think enough people, working class or otherwise, are stupid enough to blame the immigrant for coming here instead of the politicians that signed this arrangement into being.
I count you among them.
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 00:10 - Nov 30 with 4429 views
It's an absolute disgrace born out of bleedingheart hypocrisy. The lowest earners in our society have been railroaded by the blairites and are now on the bread line due to the incompetence of a governmen that was more concerned with keeping the minorities financed and pandered too. The Blair legacies are a collection of national and international fuk ups of Himalayan proportions.
"The free vote is a canny trap because it's going to force a lot of these parachuted candidates to go one way or the other. Go with Corbyn, and drop your objections, or go with your "convictions" and have to face your constituents"
Let's go back to your first ridiculous instalment. Which "left wing" seats are the most sensitive?
No I wasn't, I'm simply showing that you are talking rubbish.
Now tell me why the seats you highlighted are particularly anti war?
"The free vote is a canny trap because it's going to force a lot of these parachuted candidates to go one way or the other. Go with Corbyn, and drop your objections, or go with your "convictions" and have to face your constituents."
You might get away with this strawman boll*cks normally, dune. Not now.
Those are the top three safest seats in all of Labour. Presumably, if your bullsh!t claim about those seats being hugely influenced was true, the top three Labour seats would have a large number of Muslims.
They do not. In fact, you have to go a f**king long way down that list to find any fitting your profile of being a seat with a high Muslim vote.
I'm not going to sit here and answer questions for someone that has shown himself up and is now shifting goalposts, but I have done most of the work for you. There are the safe Labour seats.
What's the first seat on that list that has a big Muslim influence? That's what you referring to when making this claim:-
> When pap talks about left wing seats what he's really talking about is seats with large numbers of Muslims.
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Jeremy Corbyn has to allow a free vote. on 00:41 - Nov 30 with 4347 views
I didn't expect you to answer the question for a minute because to do would be to concede that your whole contribution to the thread has been drivel.
You talked about Labour MPs having to face their constituents if they voted for war, then you cited safe Labour seats with predominantly white populations, and then you get all uppity when it turns out you were talking shite.
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