| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field 20:31 - Feb 10 with 5338 views | numptydumpty |
Being sung by Norwich fans currently....
Just switched to the live coverage of their game at Oxford and two nil up and was hearing the above little ditty being sung...
Kind of irritating to hear this from Norwich supporters for me. |  |
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| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 20:41 - Feb 12 with 818 views | ted_hendrix |
I suppose the club have got their reasons for letting Field go out on loan, but my take is If he just joined us on loan until the end of the season I would have been chuffed, a bloody good Pro at this level. |  |
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| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 21:39 - Feb 12 with 720 views | Hunterhoop |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 19:47 - Feb 12 by Northernr |
While I absolutely don't agree with Hayes' post, I actually think the 'cultish' elements of this are the other way around.
I have seen Sam Field absolutely cremated on social media for exactly the same faults Jonathan Varane has, by the same people who constantly go on about Varane being a "baller".
Sam Field has scored 11 goals for QPR in 170-odd appearances. It's a goal every 15 games or so. Should he score more? Absolutely. Does he need to pass forwards more? Absolutely. Is he too negative, too cautious, too sideways? Absolutely. But all those things are true of Jonathan Varane, who has scored against Leicester in the cup, and West Brom in the league, and those are the only goals he has ever scored in his entire professional career (currently 110ish senior appearances).
Field regularly gets absolute pelters for doing exactly the same things Varane does every week.
Similarly, Koki Saito is currently getting a total free pass from the same people who sht post about Paul Smyth half a dozen times a week - and who's contributed more to our season so far out of those two? |
And, as is often missed in debates on most footballers, Field is significantly better off the ball, when the team is out of possession. He has demonstrated that over a very large sample size at this level. He is one of the best midfielders in the league when your team is out of possession. For a team that only wins when we’re out of possession, it’s odd that such a player wouldn’t be attractive to the data lads.
It’s also ironic that when Field was a regular under Warburton, Beale (okay, Ainsworth too), and Cifuentes, we did sometimes win with the majority of possession and him at the heart of midfield. Odd for a man who apparently can pass the ball or progress it. The kids on social media wouldn’t have been old enough to know what was going on then, mind. And who doesn’t want to overhype a new signing rather than give credit where it’s due to an existing player? |  | | |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 21:43 - Feb 12 with 711 views | Northernr |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 20:34 - Feb 12 by Myke |
The whole ‘scapegoat’ thing is very interesting. It seems there has to be somebody that the fans can blame for whatever shortcomings the team/club have at any given time. Field and Smyth are good examples, but there are others. Many on here ready to write off Walsh before his QPR career had even properly began and were almost gleeful about Wrexham’s late goals as they ‘proved’ he was sh1t (how culpable he was is open to rational debate, but not to the scape-goaters) The same people are silent on his clean sheets.
The vitriol directed at Frey prior to his transfer was better suited to a Joey Barton type than an honest, hard-working pro, who was the ‘right sort’ and -we belatedly found out- did outstanding work for the community. Did he score enough goals? Was he mobile and speedy? The answer of course is a resounding no (if he was a prolific, speedy striker he wouldn’t be at QPR etc etc). Did he deserve the personal abuse and insults - an equally resounding ‘no’
Charlie Kellman was written off last summer, before he kicked a ball in anger. He was League One’s top scorer. We signed Burrell, Kobe and Poku from League One and everyone was jumping up and down with excitement, despite being sniffy about Kellman. Of course with the 20/20 vision that hindsight provides , those ‘sniffers’ can smugly say they were right as Burrell tore up the Championship before his injury and Kobe has had a decent season, while Kellman has generally struggled at Charlton. But NOBODY knew this last summer, yet he was written off.
This list is just recent-it has been ever thus - but even taken current players - Field, Smyth, Walsh Frey - it makes for a depressing pattern of behaviour. |
If Field and Smyth left the club tomorrow, they'd soon be replaced with another target by the same people. We're always two kills away from a perfect team apparently, if only it wasn't for Sam Field we'd be top etc. |  | | |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 22:19 - Feb 12 with 581 views | KensalT |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 21:39 - Feb 12 by Hunterhoop |
And, as is often missed in debates on most footballers, Field is significantly better off the ball, when the team is out of possession. He has demonstrated that over a very large sample size at this level. He is one of the best midfielders in the league when your team is out of possession. For a team that only wins when we’re out of possession, it’s odd that such a player wouldn’t be attractive to the data lads.
It’s also ironic that when Field was a regular under Warburton, Beale (okay, Ainsworth too), and Cifuentes, we did sometimes win with the majority of possession and him at the heart of midfield. Odd for a man who apparently can pass the ball or progress it. The kids on social media wouldn’t have been old enough to know what was going on then, mind. And who doesn’t want to overhype a new signing rather than give credit where it’s due to an existing player? |
It's one of the problems with data.
Some things will be easy to capture and compare and some won't. Especially in a fluid sport like football.
Shots and tackles are relatively easy to turn into data points.
Knowing what position you need to be in and at what moments is a bit trickier to assess, either in a spreadsheet or on the highlights reels. |  | | |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 07:05 - Feb 13 with 382 views | langtoft |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 19:47 - Feb 12 by Northernr |
While I absolutely don't agree with Hayes' post, I actually think the 'cultish' elements of this are the other way around.
I have seen Sam Field absolutely cremated on social media for exactly the same faults Jonathan Varane has, by the same people who constantly go on about Varane being a "baller".
Sam Field has scored 11 goals for QPR in 170-odd appearances. It's a goal every 15 games or so. Should he score more? Absolutely. Does he need to pass forwards more? Absolutely. Is he too negative, too cautious, too sideways? Absolutely. But all those things are true of Jonathan Varane, who has scored against Leicester in the cup, and West Brom in the league, and those are the only goals he has ever scored in his entire professional career (currently 110ish senior appearances).
Field regularly gets absolute pelters for doing exactly the same things Varane does every week.
Similarly, Koki Saito is currently getting a total free pass from the same people who sht post about Paul Smyth half a dozen times a week - and who's contributed more to our season so far out of those two? |
Don't you be coming on here making outrageously logical points …….. what do you think you own this board or something?  | | | |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 10:08 - Feb 13 with 300 views | TheChef |
| Sammy Sammy Field Sammy Sammy Field on 19:47 - Feb 12 by Northernr |
While I absolutely don't agree with Hayes' post, I actually think the 'cultish' elements of this are the other way around.
I have seen Sam Field absolutely cremated on social media for exactly the same faults Jonathan Varane has, by the same people who constantly go on about Varane being a "baller".
Sam Field has scored 11 goals for QPR in 170-odd appearances. It's a goal every 15 games or so. Should he score more? Absolutely. Does he need to pass forwards more? Absolutely. Is he too negative, too cautious, too sideways? Absolutely. But all those things are true of Jonathan Varane, who has scored against Leicester in the cup, and West Brom in the league, and those are the only goals he has ever scored in his entire professional career (currently 110ish senior appearances).
Field regularly gets absolute pelters for doing exactly the same things Varane does every week.
Similarly, Koki Saito is currently getting a total free pass from the same people who sht post about Paul Smyth half a dozen times a week - and who's contributed more to our season so far out of those two? |
That goal Varane scored against Leicester was so out of the blue (and a really great hit), I can only assume it was some doppelganger who was playing that day. |  |
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