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Reply | General Election Thread
at 18:56 13 Jun 2024
I don’t think many on here are making this a tribal red/blue! The overwhelming view is the Tories need to be shifted out, but people have different views on what the solutions are and which party to give their vote to. Pretty sure everyone thinks Labour are underwhelming, not much different to the Tories, but still the lesser evil, albeit people might give their vote to Reform, LDs or the Greens as well.
What are your solutions?
Who are you going to vote for?
My guess is Reform, which is fine. I’m just interested. If you don’t want to say, fair enough. But surely you can understand why some think you would be a Tory based on what you’ve posted? |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 08:23 13 Jun 2024
Quite. Like so many of our economic and welfare policies, it is outdated. The retirement age was decided when average life expectancy was lower and the demographics of the UK were very different. Why shouldn’t it move out 5 years?
Equally this Triple Lock Plus policy is absolutely bonkers. It basically ensures pensioners win to a greater rate than the working population. Why? It’s a pure political play to buy votes. Frankly the triple lock isn’t sustainable but I can understand how it can be argued to be fair (although many other benefits critical to families aren’t increasing with such a triple lock). Even then though, you need the retirement age to increase, surely?
I must say, I’ve been pretty uninspired by all 3 main parties’ manifestos. Some decent bits but all of them feel like they are tinkering around the edges. The most progressive idea is the Green’s Tax on Assets of £1m and £10m. It probably won’t recover as much as they say. But 1% and 2% seem eminently fair and not sufficient enough to cause a flight of wealth. Footballers aren’t going anywhere are they?! People in their 50s and 60s whose kids and grandparents are in the UK won’t either. And it feels like a more targeted approach than in resin inheritance tax further which impacts far more people. It’s also an important step into taxing assets not just income. With the population demographics mentioned earlier, you simply cannot keep hammering a shrinking proportion of the general public. The sums won’t add up over 10-20 years.
That said. This election is not complex. Anything to get the Tories out. You simply cannot run a country this badly for 14 years and be allowed to remain in power. There had to be accountability in democracy (in anything really), and they need to be held to account. Personally, I think that if you want to use your vote for Reform, Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens, that’s up to you, and you should be able to do as you like without getting to het up about those that pick one of the other 4 there. What I struggle to understand or justify is anyone voting for the Tories still. Politically and economically Labour and the Tories are almost identical. So if you care about that and also believe in accountability vote Labour. If you care more about the social issues as a reason for voting Tory, go to Reform. If you’re a centrist who votes Tory, vote for the Lib Dem’s. If you have had a political reawakening crack on with the Greens. But I don’t see the Tories offering anything another party isn’t that justifies them not being held to account for a shambolic 14 years. |
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Reply | Safe standing
at 08:08 13 Jun 2024
You could make a case for lots of parts of the ground.
But with the atmosphere in mind, with trying to not impact people who won’t be as favourable, and with doing something that is quicker and easier to do, just start with Pu and Q block, and anywhere in R block not already standing.
That gives you that whole corner all with safe standing. The atmosphere will only get better. You create a centre for it all (rather than separate sections) and that part of the game becomes a magnet for fans who want to stand and make noise. |
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Reply | Great QPR 'Taches
at 18:33 12 Jun 2024
He really should have been a detective in the 1970s. |
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Reply | Weired Things Seen In A Stadium
at 06:43 12 Jun 2024
I love the fact they did the same promotion again! “Look guys, it was just the finer details that we got wrong. More police and only 2 cups pp per order. I told you this was a great idea.” |
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Reply | Safe standing
at 19:31 11 Jun 2024
Can we please have it in Pu, and why not Q, for that matter.
Almost everyone stands all game anyway. Offer people the chance to move or stay, or get their money back, but just force it through.
I have a couple of mates, as do other mates of mine, who attend the odd game every year (and aren’t Rangers) just because they can stand where we are and get into it. One mate went to more QPR games than Watford games last year, and he used to be a Watford ST. People like standing at football. [Post edited 11 Jun 19:33]
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 06:47 11 Jun 2024
The greed stuff is to do with the MEP stuff, employment of his wife to effectively up his salary and all the stuff he’s said about how to make the role worth more. It’s all grubby and about getting as much money as he can. If he was focussed on being the best MEP he could have been (and in future potentially MP?) you don’t think to do this stuff or put aside the time. You also don’t think he appears on every panel/tv show he can, and does talks in the US for free, do you? There is also a reason he cosies up to the very wealthy big donors. They help him get his (their!) message out, yes, but they also prop him up financially. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 23:49 10 Jun 2024
There is a leader who has walked the walk in his personal life.
People might not like his party or his politics, but it’s hard to argue he isn’t a good person, who knows first hand some of the challenges with our social care system and NHS. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 17:12 10 Jun 2024
Drawn to men who’ll take advantage of you, lie to you, and use you to feather their own nest, Disco? Sister, you need to have a word with yourself.  |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 17:07 10 Jun 2024
Straw Man Alert. I never said “don’t listen to him”. In fact I expressly explained why I think people do!
But just in the way you intimate his behaviour/personality/character/ shouldn’t take away from what he says, neither should what he says validate his behaviour/personality/character.
You should be able to say “I agree with what he says, but think he’s a detestable bloke.” Just like you could say “he’s ostensibly a good bloke, but I don’t agree with him.” Both are relevant in determining whether to vote for someone, especially if in a leadership role.
My original post was simply saying that I don’t know how anyone doesn’t think he’s a detestable toad, given everything we know about him. You’re still entitled to agree with his politics though. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 15:38 10 Jun 2024
Indeed. And all supported/propped up by vast amounts of private and/or inherited capital to give them a fighting chance of having more power and influence. It’s not cheap to stand for government as an MP. It’s practically a full time job without pay and you have an awful lot of campaigning to fun. Is this Farage’s 4th or 5th go. He is no more a man of the people than Johnson, who clearly wasn’t. It’s all an act. This is the just the rich adjusting to the electorate and modern world and identifying a different way to have political support and therefore power.
That isn’t to say large groups of people and places in the country haven’t been ignored and let down by successive governments. It’s understandable why people listen to what he has to say. He’s created a narrative and directs it at those chunks of the electorate who have been ignored or found their lives worse and are looking for answers. Whether one thinks his answers are right (I don’t) you can understand why people listen to him.
None of this makes him a nice or good person though. What we know about him as a person, I just find him to be detestable. He’s greed personified, of both money and power. He fosters hate, and he lies, or at its most generous, deliberately misleads. He is completely untrustworthy.
Again, that is quite apart from his politics. He has very wisely identified a major groundswell of opinion, a blindspot in the electorate for the main parties, and he has brought to the fore issues that now seem to matter to people (quite which came first is a different question).
I just don’t like the bloke. And don’t understand how anyone can like him as a person… |
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Reply | England 🏴 v Iceland 🇮🇸 Match Thread
at 08:35 8 Jun 2024
The good thing to take away from that is that Mainoo won’t play much now, I don’t think. I reckon Wharton and TAA have leapfrogged him. Also, Gordon playing and offering very little probably helps Eze’s chances of game time, which makes England better, because Eze is better than Gordon, especially in tight spaces against a deep defence.
I’d actually say the biggest issue is left back. Trippier looks miles off it. And Shaw is going to be very rusty even if his injury has healed. They should have taken Mitchell, IMO. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 11:12 7 Jun 2024
PP have it 1/6 that Cons will win fewer than 140 seats, and 1/3 Labour win 419 seats or more.
Unbelievable prices. There is always the shy Tory/Opinion polls getting it wrong thing, but if the bookies are right it will be a bloodbath. |
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Reply | Eze for England!
at 00:10 7 Jun 2024
I’m sure PP is big enough to say “fair enough” when he reads this! 😉
Besides, Eze is one of ours and I really don’t think it was Grealish over Eze. Southgate picked Gordon over Grealish IMO.
I think Eze will get game time this Euros. I think he’s down as Foden’s back up on the left. |
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Reply | Eze for England!
at 23:02 6 Jun 2024
So you’re saying he’s “done it” against bigger teams than Grealish this season.
PP. 👋. Over here. |
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Reply | Eze for England!
at 16:29 6 Jun 2024
Completely disagree, PP. Eze is very much on a par with him and one could argue has a lot more potential if he had the opportunity to play with the talent at City and be coached by Pep. He’s also undeniably in better form for his club.
I would have taken Grealish over Bowen or Gordon, mind.
Eze would start for me on the left, Foden down the middle with Bellingham the box to box 8, Rice holding and Saka on the right. IMO that is England’s best and most inform 5 behind Kane. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 13:54 5 Jun 2024
I like this.
Sunak was like a really organised, but aggressive and direct Pulis side. Starmer was like us under JFH: dull even though he was trying not to be.
Or, for a more recent and high level analogy. Sunak was Mourinho and Starmer was Southgate.
0-0. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 06:47 5 Jun 2024
Apparently it was the girlfriend of Reform UK’s press officer…so they definitely knew what they were doing. |
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Reply | Transfer rumours 2024
at 09:47 30 May 2024
I’d like that signing. I rate him. Lost his way after the Luton move, but he has pace and skill. He’s a wide forward. Would be a Willock replacement. |
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