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Reply | At the right price.
at 22:28 13 Jun 2024
It would be interesting to see the fine print in these add-on deals, I imagine most of it would be loaded onto a percentage of any sell-on profits, say 10% and maybe a smaller amout for say 50 first team appearances perhaps £5-10k. I can't see that Rochdale would receive another payment when the 3rd club sells to a 4th club or the 4th sells to a 5th.
We got £750k for Hogan from Brentford, they sold him to Villa for a rumoured £12- 15m. I dont think we got another million+ out of that deal, so were there any add ons in that deal or was it just the initial fee??
Forest sold Holt to Shrewsbury for £170k ( a loss) so we got nothing extra there.
Bristol Rovers sold Lambert to Soton for £1m so maybe we got 10% of 800k profit..another 80k. Hogan and Dawson look like the only players we have sold where the add ons have actually amounted to much more than £100k but Holt Lambert, Buckley, ALF, Murray, probably didnt.
The reason we had a reputation for being well run was that we couldn't afford to be in debt. Probably because no one would lend us any money any way we managed OK in L1 when big away followings came to Rochdale, we got some great cup ties and we kept a tight rein on the outgoings. The problems started when there were no crowds and the cash started to run out, Bottom spending shitloads on stuff we didnt need like 100s of gallons of sanitzer, signs, cashless turnstiles, and the pitch didnt help the cash situation either. |
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Reply | At the right price.
at 23:36 12 Jun 2024
A million in the hand is better than ....you get the gist. We supposedly got £1m for Matheson but how much of that did we actually collect? Add-ons are the riskiest bit for the selling club and only work in a small % of sales. A big club can put add-ons into a deal with very little risk... if the player becomes a big star, the add-on is pocket money to them if he doesn't make the grade no one benefits.
As we have recently proved, cash is King, put the add-ons in the deal by all means but the upfront payment is what actually goes into the bank. Where is the harm in asking for £1m or more? Until someone says no, you might as well ask for big money. If they do say no, at least you are negotiating down from a big figure and might end up with £750k+. Sometimes you have to give the buyer a deal he can go back to his directors with.. " they wanted a mill, I got them down to £750k"... sounds
like a win..... And interestingly, we might get into a bidding war for him if there are 3 or 4 clubs interested, even more reason not to undersell him. |
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Reply | At the right price.
at 17:12 12 Jun 2024
Nevett is 18, left footed, well over 6 feet tall, has a season of men's football under his belt and is an U19 Welsh international, Find me another one!
We need to stop it with the negative waves.. slap a £1m price on his head and include 10% of any future sales in the deal.. If he stays for another season he will only be worth more! If you start low expectations, you get low payments.
The money would be nice, but thankfully we are not now desperate, so there is no need to accept lowball offers. Lets not allow this lad to become another LeFondre or Lambert. New era.. new thinking! |
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Reply | EEL Stays
at 01:06 8 Jun 2024
I thought Mitchell had several perfectly presentable opportunities that he completely fluffed his lines on... his heading is a weakness that will be difficult to improve and which nullifies the wingers to an extent. I fear he doesn't make the centre halves he is up against work hard enough. |
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Reply | EEL Stays
at 18:09 7 Jun 2024
Whilst all defences will leak poor goals occasionally, our defensive problem for most of last season was crosses from our left hand side not being properly defended or prevented in the first instance. A bigger problem was not being ruthless enough in front of goal. Had we scored another goal every other game , say 20 more over the season we would have been into the play off places..taking chances must be an area for improvement in the coming season. I am still hopefull that we will bring in a competent left back with Armstrong as back up. |
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Reply | Pre-Season Friendlies List
at 17:58 7 Jun 2024
Fleetwood Town, Away, 20th July. Behind Closed Doors.... Announced this afternoon.... [Post edited 7 Jun 18:54]
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Reply | Meet The Board Tonight
at 14:11 4 Jun 2024
The best thing is that we now have the quality of Directors with Legal , Financial and Business skills that we have never really had before. The days of Pie men, Publicans and "what can I get out of it" types are truly over. The future looks decidedly brighter, there is a long and medium-term plan. and a structure within the club that is built to respond early and quickly to events that may be yet to unfold.
The next big test will be finding a home for the training pitches and community hub, I wonder if the Council will now realise its time for them to to step up?
Thank God that Simon and Richard and the others had the stones and wherewithal to keep us alive whilst getting all this over the line, gratitude seems like too small a word to describe my feelings. |
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Reply | Meet The Board Tonight
at 08:32 4 Jun 2024
An interesting snippet from last night....apparently the Ogdens are season ticket holders at Man U and in discussions with the club wondered if there might be some support from United... when told we dont really have any big connections to United, they said " its OK we know Jim Ratcliffe quite well". Its not always what you know..... |
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Reply | Released Players
at 19:01 29 May 2024
Burnley released .( u21s)
The following players will leave the academy: (U21s) Ackeme Francis-Burrell, Kian Le Fondre, Marcel Lewis, Michael O’Neill, Michael Parker, Renaldo Torraj, Jack Turner and Harry Moss. (U18s) Sonny Pickup, Dylan Sime, Ollie Sweeney, Lucas Wane, Callum West, Jack Rogers, Rohan Vaughan and Jack Bates.
The Le Fondre is a cousin of Alfie.... |
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Reply | Salford looking for investment......
at 19:54 23 May 2024
They promised us that Kingsway would not turn into a vast area of warehouses, but that promise was broken, so I tend to take their intentions with a giant pinch of salt when it comes to deciding what they want there. My guess is a stadium with decent parking and facilities to house conferences and events would employ more people than a vast automated warehouse, and yes there is a high-tech new materials site there but its hardly going to be like the Cambridge Pharma Park is it? Even the Graphene developments went out of Manchester rather than staying close to its inventors and the Graphene Research Centre... The problem is that its difficult to attract well paid talent from the leafy shires to the urban jungle of Rochdale especially given the recent publicity the town has attracted.
Maybe the drains comment was a bit tongue in cheek , but its always harder to fix inherent problems on an existing site than it is to build-in solutions from new. I just think its time to move on and have bigger thoughts and ideas and I include RMBC, The Gtr. Manchester Authority and the football club... Who knows , perhaps Starmer will throw a sack of money he hasn't got at Rochdale .... |
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Reply | Just a fun trip down memory lane..............................
at 12:19 23 May 2024
Mike, you must be much older than I imagined, the Operatic Society ( now Rochdale Musical Theatre Company) have not played a G&S show since 1929! I think the Hipperdrome was knocked down in 1970 and for a while, the Society played at the Regal Cinema before eventually moving to the Gracie Fields Theatre in 1977 when the new Oulder Hill School opened. Not that the GFT was ready for hosting shows as the Society had to invest a large wedge of money to build a flying gallery above the stage to enable cloth backdrops and lighting bars to be hauled in and out .
Alas, the GFT is no longer useable as a Theatre thanks to the Private Finance Initiative ( PFI ) which led to it becoming effectively privately owned, and lettings ceased and the RMTC has had to move into the Champness Hall where a great deal of money needs to be spent to turn it into a genuine theatre. However, despite the difficulties, the RMTC has just performed 9 sell-out showings of Beauty and the Beast there to standing ovations. |
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Reply | Salford looking for investment......
at 23:02 22 May 2024
The RMBC problem lies in having the stadium in the middle of a densly populated area with limited parking. The " discussion" last season about parking around the stadium was something of a shot across the bows, although to be fair, anyone buying a house in the area will have realised there is a football ground there.
Whilst far from falling down, there is much wrong with the stadium currently that a new one would fix , from drainage of the pitch to gas in the kitchens ....A brand new stadium could also house better spaces for entertainment and events to bring income from other sources.
Maybe ultimately, the Atom Valley development along the M62 might offer an easier development opportunity than the Turners site. |
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Reply | Hat tricks
at 15:42 21 May 2024
And its been 6 years since the last one....I guess playing out from the back and barnstorming victories with lots of goals are mutually exclusive... |
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Reply | Meet the board
at 21:08 16 May 2024
I concur TS. At one time, I used to hire a box during the week at Wigan Athletic occasionally for sales team meetings, they had everything available , screens, projectors, notepads, whiteboards etc. And if I remember correctly they had 3 restaurants running 7 days a week and all at sensible business prices. . . revenue making virtually 365 days of the year and all accomplished with pleasant and knowledgeable staff.
Catering for 1 big occasion 23 times a year or so is unlikely to be hugely successful even if you pull in an occasional funeral or works "do" as well. Staff are temporary, inevitably different people are going to end up doing different jobs without much leadership or prior knowledge. I would be interested to know how well last years Christmas Parties were received....
As I have said many times, the way forward in everything is quality with sensible prices. If the Ogden's are able to fund some redecoration and bring in some serious, knowledgeable, middle management there is much that can be achieved. We have been hamstrung in the past by never having the cash available to do things properly, hopefully this can now change even in a modest way to start with and the profits kept to finance even more developments. Getting a decent electricity deal would be a start and then perhaps putting gas into the kitchens from the monies saved. |
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Reply | Just a fun trip down memory lane..............................
at 08:44 15 May 2024
I really have no idea it was nearly 50 years ago .... I have no idea when winning draws and all that stuff was introduced in the CLL especially as Rochdale didnt win much in those days. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then. |
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Reply | Club Statement. Deal done
at 21:11 14 May 2024
Easy if you thought about it .. secret = not common knowledge or in the public domain. In strictest confidence because I would not have removed what I did remove without a good reason to persuade me to....
That's it no more.. All's well that ends well. Maybe ask me again in 10 years time. |
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