| New stadium for London on 18:33 - Dec 2 with 2323 views | HammersmithR |
And you can chuck Oxford into this conversation with their new stadium as well. We continue to play in the same stadium which has had nothing significantly done to it in probably well over 40 years. I still sit in the same cramped seat in the Loft I’ve had all my life. I can’t think of any other club in the top 2 divisions that have not moved to a new stadium or had major work done to their current stadium in the same period. Shows how far behind we have fallen with so many clubs. Been such poor management in this area for decades. At least we finally have a training ground! |  | |  |
| New stadium for London on 18:43 - Dec 2 with 2282 views | stevec |
| New stadium for London on 18:33 - Dec 2 by HammersmithR |
And you can chuck Oxford into this conversation with their new stadium as well. We continue to play in the same stadium which has had nothing significantly done to it in probably well over 40 years. I still sit in the same cramped seat in the Loft I’ve had all my life. I can’t think of any other club in the top 2 divisions that have not moved to a new stadium or had major work done to their current stadium in the same period. Shows how far behind we have fallen with so many clubs. Been such poor management in this area for decades. At least we finally have a training ground! |
Wimbledon, Barnet and now Leyton Orient.
We are an embarrassment really, a loyal fanbase that is taken for granted. |  | | |
| New stadium for London on 18:46 - Dec 2 with 2270 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| New stadium for London on 18:43 - Dec 2 by stevec |
Wimbledon, Barnet and now Leyton Orient.
We are an embarrassment really, a loyal fanbase that is taken for granted. |
To be honest, I don't want Nourry or anyone else here temporarily in charge of getting a new stadium. |  | | |
| New stadium for London on 19:31 - Dec 2 with 2170 views | dutch |
I would rather watch Rangers at Loftus Road in Division 1 or 2, than somewhere in Royal Oak in the Prem. Long live our cave. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 20:34 - Dec 2 with 2045 views | E17hoop |
Let's look into this – it's simply an MoU between the club and the Council. It just says they'll help each other and work together if they find a site. They've agreed to things like a zero-carbon approach, etc., but these are just principles – they've not agreed to any funding, support, or anything apart from 'we'll help where we can'.
The biggest problem is there isn't local land to develop. There's a site of an Asda whose lease expires in a couple of years, but they'll need to rebuild Leyton station and a ton of other infrastructure to make it work. |  |
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| New stadium for London on 20:49 - Dec 2 with 2007 views | KensalT |
| New stadium for London on 20:34 - Dec 2 by E17hoop |
Let's look into this – it's simply an MoU between the club and the Council. It just says they'll help each other and work together if they find a site. They've agreed to things like a zero-carbon approach, etc., but these are just principles – they've not agreed to any funding, support, or anything apart from 'we'll help where we can'.
The biggest problem is there isn't local land to develop. There's a site of an Asda whose lease expires in a couple of years, but they'll need to rebuild Leyton station and a ton of other infrastructure to make it work. |
What you say is fair.
But they have the backing of the local MP and the council. Just getting the local politicians on board is a lot further than we ever progressed with our plans for Old Oak.
It's only a guess but when the politicians are putting their name to it and they are announcing a six year timeframe it's likely this has progressed further than they have yet made public.
The Spurs stadium development took twelve years from inception to hosting its first match:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Hotspur_Stadium
"The construction of the stadium was initiated as the centrepiece of the Northumberland Development Project, intended to be the catalyst for a 20-year regeneration plan for Tottenham. The project covers the site of the now demolished ground White Hart Lane and areas adjacent to it. It was conceived in 2007 and announced in 2008, but revised several times, and construction of the stadium, beset by disputes and delays, did not commence until 2015. The stadium opened on 3 April 2019 with a ceremony before the first Premier League game held there." | | | |
| New stadium for London on 21:22 - Dec 2 with 1915 views | E17hoop |
The difference at Spurs was they had space to build around the stadium – LO can't expand Brisbane Road because of Oliver Road on one side and housing on the other three sides. Indeed, just across from the ground was a sports centre which has been removed for more housing.
The only greenfield site in Leyton is Leyton Cricket Ground, which has a listed pavilion and is restricted to public recreation. 51.56767944707993, -0.010508044060889085
There isn't much brownfield capacity except for the space off Church Road at the Lea Bridge Road end but believe that area was designated for housing. 51.566157912871134, -0.023784977905952125
There is some space in Walthamstow near Blackhorse Road which was acquired by the mayor a few years ago and might be open to development, but it's a small footprint and not in Leyton. 51.59052558644276, -0.03925975668763898 | |
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| New stadium for London on 21:47 - Dec 2 with 1878 views | KensalT |
| New stadium for London on 21:22 - Dec 2 by E17hoop |
The difference at Spurs was they had space to build around the stadium – LO can't expand Brisbane Road because of Oliver Road on one side and housing on the other three sides. Indeed, just across from the ground was a sports centre which has been removed for more housing.
The only greenfield site in Leyton is Leyton Cricket Ground, which has a listed pavilion and is restricted to public recreation. 51.56767944707993, -0.010508044060889085
There isn't much brownfield capacity except for the space off Church Road at the Lea Bridge Road end but believe that area was designated for housing. 51.566157912871134, -0.023784977905952125
There is some space in Walthamstow near Blackhorse Road which was acquired by the mayor a few years ago and might be open to development, but it's a small footprint and not in Leyton. 51.59052558644276, -0.03925975668763898 |
You certainly know the area much better than I do so I won't disagree with you.
There is this document from April on the Waltham Forest site:
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-05/WFHS3-2.pdf
Not a very exciting read but it does go into why Brisbane Road can't be redeveloped.
It does say that there are a number of potential sites for relocation but those sites aren't currently intended for such use.
So you are right to say that even with council support there is a long way to go
"1.1.5 There are a number of proposed allocation sites that potentially meet the broad parameters of a viable relocation site for a new stadium, but as currently drafted, the wording for these allocations would not support a new stadium development. It is appreciated that the wording of these allocations is unlikely to be amended to include a reference to a football stadium being appropriate. Therefore, it would be helpful to include a broad statement of support for the Club’s relocation within the bespoke policy allocation covering Brisbane Road." | | | |
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| New stadium for London on 22:13 - Dec 2 with 1799 views | E17hoop |
| New stadium for London on 21:47 - Dec 2 by KensalT |
You certainly know the area much better than I do so I won't disagree with you.
There is this document from April on the Waltham Forest site:
https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2025-05/WFHS3-2.pdf
Not a very exciting read but it does go into why Brisbane Road can't be redeveloped.
It does say that there are a number of potential sites for relocation but those sites aren't currently intended for such use.
So you are right to say that even with council support there is a long way to go
"1.1.5 There are a number of proposed allocation sites that potentially meet the broad parameters of a viable relocation site for a new stadium, but as currently drafted, the wording for these allocations would not support a new stadium development. It is appreciated that the wording of these allocations is unlikely to be amended to include a reference to a football stadium being appropriate. Therefore, it would be helpful to include a broad statement of support for the Club’s relocation within the bespoke policy allocation covering Brisbane Road." |
I think they're considering the cricket ground, and that would take some big work to change its use. There are other green spaces in the north of the borough, but the further north you move away from Brisbane Road, the more Conservative it becomes, and they wouldn't have a football club in Chingford. Other green spaces include Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow and the area where Walthamstow FC plays. If Orient promised Walthamstow FC could play, they might have a chance, but that's backing onto the North Circular and limited public transport.
The only other brownfield space consists of warehousing and light industrial areas near Lea Bridge Road; some of these facilities are quite new, but they have short leases, and I could see them being relocated. | |
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| New stadium for London on 01:13 - Dec 3 with 1567 views | stainrods_elbow |
It seems like every football club in London gets permission/money to build/take over a new ground apart from us. It's getting to a point where I'd be considering suing H & F Council for restraint of trade. [Post edited 3 Dec 1:14]
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| New stadium for London on 01:23 - Dec 3 with 1583 views | Match82 |
| New stadium for London on 21:22 - Dec 2 by E17hoop |
The difference at Spurs was they had space to build around the stadium – LO can't expand Brisbane Road because of Oliver Road on one side and housing on the other three sides. Indeed, just across from the ground was a sports centre which has been removed for more housing.
The only greenfield site in Leyton is Leyton Cricket Ground, which has a listed pavilion and is restricted to public recreation. 51.56767944707993, -0.010508044060889085
There isn't much brownfield capacity except for the space off Church Road at the Lea Bridge Road end but believe that area was designated for housing. 51.566157912871134, -0.023784977905952125
There is some space in Walthamstow near Blackhorse Road which was acquired by the mayor a few years ago and might be open to development, but it's a small footprint and not in Leyton. 51.59052558644276, -0.03925975668763898 |
Have they considered digging down? |  | | |
| New stadium for London on 10:18 - Dec 3 with 1268 views | themodfather |
imo H&F council have blocked us for years at QPR, they blocked our astro dome roof in the 80s, for an example .
land in and around the area is now long gone, remember talk of fulham and aviva? building behind white city station? then the dairy site burnt down.
our best chance was the old white city stadium, knock down and rebuild to 40000 then, mid 80s , we were getting 25000 often then , we never knew wembley would come down and take years to rebuild, wimbledon would be homeless to name one . too late now.
what are we doing with land bought near old oak ? i assume it has a value ? i doubt we will be new stadium there now.
leaves wormwood scrubs / linford christie track and east acton station couldn't handle large crowds and you can bet TFL won't pay for any expansion of it .
not to mention we lost the land behind school end , jack tizard?? which is now housing , we may have made that into a 3 tier stand and make if the home end ??
in short, no matter, it ain't happening in my lifetime . | | | |
| New stadium for London on 10:26 - Dec 3 with 1254 views | Juzzie |
Oh good, a discussion about our own stadium situation. Not had one of those before.......
(yes, I'm being facetious! All questions have been covered at some point or other, unless there is any new information we're just going around in circles) |  | | |
| New stadium for London on 10:39 - Dec 3 with 1220 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| New stadium for London on 01:13 - Dec 3 by stainrods_elbow |
It seems like every football club in London gets permission/money to build/take over a new ground apart from us. It's getting to a point where I'd be considering suing H & F Council for restraint of trade. [Post edited 3 Dec 1:14]
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I mean, would be a hard sell to say our trade is being restricted bearing in mind we are 20% empty on average. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 10:41 - Dec 3 with 1210 views | Watford_Ranger |
If it was close by, which feels increasingly unlikely, I could live with it I guess. If we get a St Mary’s / Ricoh type stadium in Greenford then I’d rather just be where we are forever. Not like success suddenly becomes that much more likely. [Post edited 3 Dec 11:30]
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| New stadium for London on 12:11 - Dec 3 with 1069 views | BAWHoops |
I think the only London clubs that appear 'stuck' are us and Chelsea
Arsenal - New stadium in last 20 years
Spurs - New stadium
W. Ham - New stadium (although it's awful)
Fulham - Huge redevelopment
Brentford - New stadium
Chelsea - Desperate to move as they can't expand
Palace - Approved plans for redevelopment
Millwall - Stadium is about 30 years old. No idea what they have planned
Charlton - Decent sized stadium which they periodically update
QPR - Cramped, atmospheric stadium that is falling down
Wimbledon - New stadium
Orient - Getting a new stadium
Barnet - New stadium and plans afoot to move back to Barnet and build there
Bromley - Stadium renovated less than a decade ago
Still convinced the answer is to knock it down stand by stand and build a smaller, but better functioning stadium. If it seated 15k but had better facilities it would likely make more money |  |
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| New stadium for London on 12:21 - Dec 3 with 1031 views | kensalriser |
Drop the victim complex for a second and it's easy to see the truth is that QPR have sat there with their finger up their arse while the entire area has been transformed from urban wasteland into a shiny new city. |  |
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| New stadium for London on 12:22 - Dec 3 with 1030 views | Phildo |
Looking at this from a non QPR standpoint its hard not to see that H and F have not done too well in terms of urban regeneration compared to other boroughs over the last 20 year cycle. Hammersmith and Shepherds Bush look pretty ragged these days despite continuing gentrification. There is much less cash about for regeneration projects too than say 15 years ago. Trick missed. |  | | |
| New stadium for London on 12:40 - Dec 3 with 990 views | Pindarus |
What is the point of having 4 stadiums within 5 miles of each other. There appears to be zero chance of finding land locally. Therefore we have to fully explore the wastelands to the west, within easy reach of the M25 and the M4. Presumably LR is a goldmine for housing.
Alternatively share Twickers with the RFU. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 12:53 - Dec 3 with 950 views | TK1 |
| New stadium for London on 22:13 - Dec 2 by E17hoop |
I think they're considering the cricket ground, and that would take some big work to change its use. There are other green spaces in the north of the borough, but the further north you move away from Brisbane Road, the more Conservative it becomes, and they wouldn't have a football club in Chingford. Other green spaces include Douglas Eyre in Walthamstow and the area where Walthamstow FC plays. If Orient promised Walthamstow FC could play, they might have a chance, but that's backing onto the North Circular and limited public transport.
The only other brownfield space consists of warehousing and light industrial areas near Lea Bridge Road; some of these facilities are quite new, but they have short leases, and I could see them being relocated. |
Amazing how few people actually read the piece on Orient's site that is linked to, isn't it?
Read the piece, Stainrod's Elbow before you "sue H&F". Orient are not getting a new stadium anymore than QPR were getting a new stadium when it announced it was doing so on its website over a decade ago - QPR was at least one step ahead in that it had identified a site (which H&F would've given planning permission to on the Car Giant site or Old Oak - club just couldn't get the land).
Orient haven't got a site. Land in Waltham Forest is increasingly valuable and is increasingly hard to find. They are just buttering their fans up for the sale of Brisbane Road - a site which is more than adequate for their current size and could have its capacity doubled by redeveloping two of its stands as the footprint is quite big. But which is the nonetheless increasingly valuable as a site for housing or retail.
All the area around Orient is being redeveloped for mixed-use housing currently. There are no sites nearby suitable for a larger ground than Brisbane Road, just as there are no sites new Loftus Road - this is also prime Zone 3 London real estate close to travel hubs and Westfield. They will end up out as E17 says by the Lea Bridge Road or possibly in Redbridge near the M11 towards Ilford. Waltham Forest would be very happy to swap a football ground by the new Central Line station for more commuters, more shops, more income and council taxes. Redbridge would have far fewer complaints welcoming a new stadium.
I am willing to bet anyone that QPR redevelop Loftus Road before Orient finish a new stadium. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 12:53 - Dec 3 with 946 views | Boston |
| New stadium for London on 12:40 - Dec 3 by Pindarus |
What is the point of having 4 stadiums within 5 miles of each other. There appears to be zero chance of finding land locally. Therefore we have to fully explore the wastelands to the west, within easy reach of the M25 and the M4. Presumably LR is a goldmine for housing.
Alternatively share Twickers with the RFU. |
No - because that's what we're not. | |
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| New stadium for London on 13:26 - Dec 3 with 843 views | TK1 |
There are a lot of similarities between QPR and Orient's grounds:
Both are located in Zone 2/3 London, surrounded by dense residential housing, close to travel hubs and long-established retail high roads in traditionally working class and immigrant communities.
Both areas are subject to intense gentrification, housing investment and an influx of new young professionals and families. Anecdotally, I'd say the areas around Orient are where W12 was about 15-20 years ago. Prices are not coming down ever again - they're shooting up.
We like to focus on how close QPR is to Fulham, Brentford and Chelsea - each about 3 miles from Rangers.
Orient are 1.5 miles from West Ham, one stop on the Central (and is where many West Ham drink before a game). Closer than any of our rivals. They are only four miles from Spurs, five from Arsenal and four and a bit from Millwall.
Much as Chris Wright insisted QPR needed to move far out West to find land for a ground, I wouldn't be surprised if Orient's hunt for a ground eventually has their US owners suggesting a move out East for them. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 13:31 - Dec 3 with 828 views | TK1 |
| New stadium for London on 20:34 - Dec 2 by E17hoop |
Let's look into this – it's simply an MoU between the club and the Council. It just says they'll help each other and work together if they find a site. They've agreed to things like a zero-carbon approach, etc., but these are just principles – they've not agreed to any funding, support, or anything apart from 'we'll help where we can'.
The biggest problem is there isn't local land to develop. There's a site of an Asda whose lease expires in a couple of years, but they'll need to rebuild Leyton station and a ton of other infrastructure to make it work. |
Should be noted that Leyton station is currently being rebuilt, and a big job too - won't be finished for 18 months yet. So the Asda and the car park is a possibility. Be a good spot for it too - can't imagine housing that close to the motorway. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 13:58 - Dec 3 with 742 views | dutch |
| New stadium for London on 12:40 - Dec 3 by Pindarus |
What is the point of having 4 stadiums within 5 miles of each other. There appears to be zero chance of finding land locally. Therefore we have to fully explore the wastelands to the west, within easy reach of the M25 and the M4. Presumably LR is a goldmine for housing.
Alternatively share Twickers with the RFU. |
This might be the worst post ever on LFW. | | | |
| New stadium for London on 14:15 - Dec 3 with 690 views | Dorse |
I think we might have solved the riddle of why we signed all them midget 'tens'. Our stadium is simply too small to accommodate full-sized footballers.
We're through the looking glass here, people... |  |
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