| Genuine worry 16:58 - Aug 21 with 721 views | PhilmyRs |
Now I’m not a poster whose going to criticise Hughes. I think given time he could do a decent job, and after one result there’s no need to panic, although the score line on Saturday did come as a shock. But, and this is a genuine worry, I have serious concerns about our transfer policy and how we’re working towards establishing ourselves back in the premiership.
The players we’re linked with, the players we’re buying, are names I never thought Rangers would attract. I still remember the shock that we managed to sign Sheron and Spencer. Now we’ve raised the bar to epic proportions. Cisse, Hoilet, Park. Strong rumours fee agree with Spurs for Dawson, Samba in January....How can we get these players? As far as I’m aware they don’t have a strong love for the club, but I suspect they have a strong love for money. At the moment it seems to be us that’s willing to pay the most and blow all the competition out the water.
I’ve always felt we would be most successful if we could get the togetherness we enjoyed in the Holloway years, combined with a better quality of player. To get this better quality of player I don’t think you need to throw silly money around, but yes, you do need to spend a bit. But to get the togetherness you need players that want to play for the club and the fans, not for the pay cheque at the end of the week. You need strong management and sound decision making, starting from the top.
My concern with a club like ours is that in our quest for success we’ll end up throwing silly money on a group of individuals, players that don’t really value the shirt. As much as I hate it, Jon Terry has established himself as ‘Mr Chelsea’, he’ll always stick up for the club and will always be remembered fondly (only by Chelsea) We had our Mr Rangers, a nicer bloke than Terry and a better player, sadly Big Mac is no longer with us, but we need to get such characters back. We need leadership and we need people who will remember the club, fondly, long after they’re gone. Not a Paddy Kenny, but a Gary Waddock. Players who not only bleed blue and white, but could play a bit too. That’s the challenge for us, whilst all this money is flying about, players coming in and out, we need to cultivate some sort of spirit, a bond with the club. I’m unsure we’ll be able to, but I’ll hope we can.
To end on a positive, I do think there’s a chance. Cisse seems to have built up a good relationship with the club, Tarrabat could be the flawed genius, and Faulin has it in his sights to become a legend. When signing players we need to understand their character, understand what makes them tick, and make them love Rangers. Les Ferdinand, the Bard, Macca, Wilo, Bowles, they weren’t born a Ranger like Bircham, they became one. We need to play our part to, how we treated Rob Green on Saturday wasn’t going to help anyone.
Money can get you so far, but there are some things money can’t buy, and I hope the Manager, owners and us the fans, remember that.
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| Genuine worry on 17:05 - Aug 21 with 685 views | Hayesender |
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| Genuine worry on 17:09 - Aug 21 with 677 views | adhoc_qpr |
Surely this is linked back to the Footballer vs Olympians article - making massive generalisations about all footballers equal souless mercenaries etc etc.
If say QPR, Fulham and Norwich all have bids accepted for Stephane Mbia but Norwich offer him £20k a week, Fulham offer £30k a week and we offer £35K a week - does that mean he will play worse for us?
Ultimately he's still a professional, doing his job and i doubt many footballers support the clubs they play for.
Most players simply aren't going to love the club like fans - what we do need to do is ensure we look at the characters of the players and make sure they fit, rather than just ability alone. | | | |
| Genuine worry on 17:14 - Aug 21 with 655 views | fakekerby |
I think it's ridiculously overlooked just how competitive some of these guys are.
They'd have been told they're great and been winners their whole lives. Not many footballers take losing lightly.
Their wage is irrelevant once they step out onto the pitch, 99% of them want to win matches. | | | |
| Genuine worry on 17:22 - Aug 21 with 602 views | jeffro |
Which players would you suggest we sign then, that will be "rangers" and have the ability to not only keep us in the premiership but to allow us to push on.
Not a loaded question, I just struggle to see how the valuation of a player will determine his love for a club. | | | |
| Genuine worry on 17:26 - Aug 21 with 573 views | DanVanDyke |
I like the sentiment, and some of my happiest years supporting us were when we had the likes of Gallen, Bircham etc who obviously cared deeply for the club, but just who are these fantastic players that have a close affinity to QPR but are also going to improve our team? I can't think of any current QPR fans who are any good at playing football!
The sort of bond that we built up with the likes of Les cannot be recreated in modern football. We kept a goal scoring machine with us for at least 3 seasons longer that we should have been able to do. Nowadays, one good season and Man U/City, Arsenal, Liverpool et al would pile in, offer him silly money and he'd be off.
We're all a bit down after our inflated egos were popped on Saturday, if this current rabble click into gear and we win four on the spin, no fan will give a f**k whether any of the team have any love or affinity to QPR! |  | | |
| Genuine worry on 17:56 - Aug 21 with 540 views | PhilmyRs |
| Genuine worry on 17:26 - Aug 21 by DanVanDyke |
I like the sentiment, and some of my happiest years supporting us were when we had the likes of Gallen, Bircham etc who obviously cared deeply for the club, but just who are these fantastic players that have a close affinity to QPR but are also going to improve our team? I can't think of any current QPR fans who are any good at playing football!
The sort of bond that we built up with the likes of Les cannot be recreated in modern football. We kept a goal scoring machine with us for at least 3 seasons longer that we should have been able to do. Nowadays, one good season and Man U/City, Arsenal, Liverpool et al would pile in, offer him silly money and he'd be off.
We're all a bit down after our inflated egos were popped on Saturday, if this current rabble click into gear and we win four on the spin, no fan will give a f**k whether any of the team have any love or affinity to QPR! |
I understand we have to spend money and we can't sign players that are fans, but I think we could sign young players big clubs aren't ready to take a gamble on or players with a point to prove and who won't break the bank. They would then grow to appreciate the club. 2 years ago Scott Sinclair would have been very useful as would Danny graham. Routledge built a relationship with the fans and was happy. Faulin samba a couple of unknown foreign players can be exciting. With a developed youth system you can sometimes pluck a couple from there. There are players who aren't fans but they wouldn't be signing simply for the money. Money shouldn't be the only bait | | | |
| Genuine worry on 18:00 - Aug 21 with 528 views | Clive_Anderson |
About a year ago we had just bought Young, DJ, Traore, SWP, Barton and Ferdinand for large amounts of money and we were all really excited saying they were far better than what we've already got.
Now most of them are now deemed not good enough and we're looking at buying a whole new team again for even more cash.
At some point you've got to just try and get the best out of what you've already got. | | | |
| Genuine worry on 18:07 - Aug 21 with 506 views | DanVanDyke |
| Genuine worry on 17:56 - Aug 21 by PhilmyRs |
I understand we have to spend money and we can't sign players that are fans, but I think we could sign young players big clubs aren't ready to take a gamble on or players with a point to prove and who won't break the bank. They would then grow to appreciate the club. 2 years ago Scott Sinclair would have been very useful as would Danny graham. Routledge built a relationship with the fans and was happy. Faulin samba a couple of unknown foreign players can be exciting. With a developed youth system you can sometimes pluck a couple from there. There are players who aren't fans but they wouldn't be signing simply for the money. Money shouldn't be the only bait |
I think one of the big problems is that big clubs still sign all those young players into their horribly inflated academy structures and then selectively loan them out to clubs like us or lower (Fabio being a prime example).
I don't necessarily agree with our current transfer policy either, but I guess what Hughes is trying to do is buy 'tried and tested at this level' players for the short term, like Johnson, Nelsen etc, while his new background team invest in the youth structure and scouting for the future. I would imagine it's still quite difficult to find those young, upcoming players as you have to factor in their potential rather than just asking the question they've done it before so can they do it again? Look at Buttner signing for Man U, there's a young, fairly unproven player but Saints couldn't agree terms (which hints at wage demands) and SAF piles in and signs him. He ain't replacing Evra is he?
Both Hoilett and Onohua are examples of good, young buys with potential, but the jury's out on the latter already.
We do seem reluctant to look lower than the Premier League though and that seems to be a failing compared to other clubs. | | | |
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| Genuine worry on 18:18 - Aug 21 with 483 views | Bedford_R |
| Genuine worry on 18:00 - Aug 21 by Clive_Anderson |
About a year ago we had just bought Young, DJ, Traore, SWP, Barton and Ferdinand for large amounts of money and we were all really excited saying they were far better than what we've already got.
Now most of them are now deemed not good enough and we're looking at buying a whole new team again for even more cash.
At some point you've got to just try and get the best out of what you've already got. |
To your last sentence - all teams in the Premiership have to constantly improve their squads or they stand still or go backwards. |  |
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| Genuine worry on 18:22 - Aug 21 with 476 views | Clive_Anderson |
| Genuine worry on 18:18 - Aug 21 by Bedford_R |
To your last sentence - all teams in the Premiership have to constantly improve their squads or they stand still or go backwards. |
It's only possible to improve by constantly signing new players?
If you have a young squad and they're improving, then you shouldn't have to make too many new signings every season. | | | |
| Genuine worry on 18:29 - Aug 21 with 454 views | jamois |
| Genuine worry on 18:00 - Aug 21 by Clive_Anderson |
About a year ago we had just bought Young, DJ, Traore, SWP, Barton and Ferdinand for large amounts of money and we were all really excited saying they were far better than what we've already got.
Now most of them are now deemed not good enough and we're looking at buying a whole new team again for even more cash.
At some point you've got to just try and get the best out of what you've already got. |
At some point during the game on saturday (which I had to miss - on an ill-timed holiday) it was posted on the bbc football live page that Swansea were teaching Rangers the lesson of building a team rather than just buying one. It was harsh to read. |  |
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| Genuine worry on 18:55 - Aug 21 with 411 views | Jigsore |
Yes, it's sad as well as buying success (although we do have long term plans as well) never ends well. One of these days City won't be able to spend all that cash and where will they be? They'll be stuck with a massive wage bill and a bunch of players who care more where their next paycheck will come from than what happens to the club.
We're certainly not on that level yet but itwould sadden me greatly if we became another Chelsea. That would be worse than anything. |  |
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| Genuine worry on 19:42 - Aug 21 with 362 views | TacticalR |
| Genuine worry on 18:29 - Aug 21 by jamois |
At some point during the game on saturday (which I had to miss - on an ill-timed holiday) it was posted on the bbc football live page that Swansea were teaching Rangers the lesson of building a team rather than just buying one. It was harsh to read. |
That simply isn't true. Last season they bought Vorm, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge. They also had Gylfi Sigurðsson on loan.
This summer they bought in three more players who were playing on Saturday: Michu, Chico (bought from Spanish clubs) and Jonathan de Guzmán (on loan from Villareal). |  |
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| Genuine worry on 20:16 - Aug 21 with 321 views | jonno |
| Genuine worry on 17:56 - Aug 21 by PhilmyRs |
I understand we have to spend money and we can't sign players that are fans, but I think we could sign young players big clubs aren't ready to take a gamble on or players with a point to prove and who won't break the bank. They would then grow to appreciate the club. 2 years ago Scott Sinclair would have been very useful as would Danny graham. Routledge built a relationship with the fans and was happy. Faulin samba a couple of unknown foreign players can be exciting. With a developed youth system you can sometimes pluck a couple from there. There are players who aren't fans but they wouldn't be signing simply for the money. Money shouldn't be the only bait |
The operative word there is "gamble". We can't afford to do that, we have to stay up this season as the prize money goes up a lot next season. And it's laudable to find young gems, but don't you think all other clubs are trying to do the same thing? We've had no real youth policy for years, so it will take a number of years for the current investment in that to bear fruit. In the interim, we have to stay in the PL.
That's why Hughes/Fernandes are spending money (and not really all that much so far on transfer fees) on buying proven players who have shown they can play at PL level. I'm sure in future years we'll be looking for those young gems we can take a gamble on, and perhaps bring some quality youth team players through. But for now, we have to remain established in the division. |  | | |
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