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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:21 - Mar 31 with 2658 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 10:55 - Mar 31 by DaleiLama |
And very difficult to understand. Hurst said we shouldn't be where we are in L1. When you see how we played against Miw-waww and the Hotspurs of Tottenham, we are extremely capable. After seeing how we have actually played in the league (I'm personally only basing this on a couple of away games and only missing 1 home game) it's easier to understand, but still has me scratching my head. The inconsistency in the game yesterday, complete with flashes of brilliance, was a microcosm of our season. This game finished with a happy ending. Fingers crossed the season follows suit.
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14 drawn games really does scew our season - there are 11 teams above us who have lost the same amount of games as us or more! In fact Portsmouth have lost 15 (exactly the same as us) but find themselves just outside the playoffs! |  |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:36 - Mar 31 with 2615 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:10 - Mar 31 by D_Alien |
In terms of results, and Tottenham second half at Wembley apart - we haven't been pasted by anyone, but that's not the point
Shrews were playing football, in the first half at least, that was easily championship standard. Fast, accurate passing, a man always available, intelligent movement off the ball, winning it back with apparent ease - it was pleasing to watch, even as it threatened to hurt us. Their goal epitomised it, taken with aplomb
Of course, our haplessness contributed towards it and the changes we made plus Ollie's goal helped turn the tide. But for 40 minutes (of game time) we saw a standard that KH clearly aspires to and is reflected in their league position
And it doesn't matter what part of the ground it was viewed from, as some people think matters
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Agreed.
Losing Toto was a significant factor for them too (from a line-up point of view, a psychological factor and an opportunity for us to regroup a little). Like losing Andy Cannon was for us when he went down with almost the same injury recently. |  |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:41 - Mar 31 with 2597 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:10 - Mar 31 by D_Alien |
In terms of results, and Tottenham second half at Wembley apart - we haven't been pasted by anyone, but that's not the point
Shrews were playing football, in the first half at least, that was easily championship standard. Fast, accurate passing, a man always available, intelligent movement off the ball, winning it back with apparent ease - it was pleasing to watch, even as it threatened to hurt us. Their goal epitomised it, taken with aplomb
Of course, our haplessness contributed towards it and the changes we made plus Ollie's goal helped turn the tide. But for 40 minutes (of game time) we saw a standard that KH clearly aspires to and is reflected in their league position
And it doesn't matter what part of the ground it was viewed from, as some people think matters
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I thought The rovers game at our place was men against boys but apart from that I agree with what your saying. I didn’t take the spurs game into account as it was only a sideshow. |  | | |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:43 - Mar 31 with 2594 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:21 - Mar 31 by dingdangblue |
14 drawn games really does scew our season - there are 11 teams above us who have lost the same amount of games as us or more! In fact Portsmouth have lost 15 (exactly the same as us) but find themselves just outside the playoffs! |
All down to goal scoring. If only ............... | |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:44 - Mar 31 with 2593 views | 1907 |
The turning point yesterday was Hill finally realising that the back five system at home doesn’t work.
We look so much more dangerous and create so much more just by utilising an extra midfielder.
I can understand the need for the set up in away games, especially against tough opposition. However we really need to stop giving teams so much respect at home, play with four at the back and put teams on the back foot.
The difference in our play yesterday as a result of the formation change was staggering. |  | | |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:47 - Mar 31 with 2571 views | tony_roch975 |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 10:55 - Mar 31 by DaleiLama |
And very difficult to understand. Hurst said we shouldn't be where we are in L1. When you see how we played against Miw-waww and the Hotspurs of Tottenham, we are extremely capable. After seeing how we have actually played in the league (I'm personally only basing this on a couple of away games and only missing 1 home game) it's easier to understand, but still has me scratching my head. The inconsistency in the game yesterday, complete with flashes of brilliance, was a microcosm of our season. This game finished with a happy ending. Fingers crossed the season follows suit.
#we'restayingup |
Tis a communal scratching DL. For me (after that hapless first 3 months with too many round pegs and no continuity) we've played reasonable mid table football (as befits a mid table squad) but the run of the ball makes all the difference when teams are pretty even and so results are decided on the odd goal and we've rarely had that. Plus as a passing team we benefit when "better" teams give us space to play (Spurs, Millwall) or through a fortunate equaliser are forced to stop parking the bus (Shrewsbury). | |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:49 - Mar 31 with 2566 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:36 - Mar 31 by DaleiLama |
Agreed.
Losing Toto was a significant factor for them too (from a line-up point of view, a psychological factor and an opportunity for us to regroup a little). Like losing Andy Cannon was for us when he went down with almost the same injury recently. |
Talking of Toto, some of the comments aimed in his and the ref's direction about him being off the pitch, etc, were bloody embarrassing.
What if it had been a Dale player in the same position? |  |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:52 - Mar 31 with 2552 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:49 - Mar 31 by TVOS1907 |
Talking of Toto, some of the comments aimed in his and the ref's direction about him being off the pitch, etc, were bloody embarrassing.
What if it had been a Dale player in the same position? |
As we’ve established when it comes to timewasting by goalkeepers, the same rules don’t apply. | |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:52 - Mar 31 with 2551 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:47 - Mar 31 by tony_roch975 |
Tis a communal scratching DL. For me (after that hapless first 3 months with too many round pegs and no continuity) we've played reasonable mid table football (as befits a mid table squad) but the run of the ball makes all the difference when teams are pretty even and so results are decided on the odd goal and we've rarely had that. Plus as a passing team we benefit when "better" teams give us space to play (Spurs, Millwall) or through a fortunate equaliser are forced to stop parking the bus (Shrewsbury). |
I still don't understand why you think Shrewsbury were parking the bus, Tony.
In fact, we have been far more defensive in some away games, especially earlier in the season. That week at Blackpool and AFC Wimbledon in September particularly sticks in the mind. | |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 12:30 - Mar 31 with 2440 views | soulboy |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 22:05 - Mar 30 by blackvincent |
Take your point but in another sense, it takes some strength to demonstrate the wisdom he did in consulting the linesman, reflecting, and having the courage to recognise his error. All this in the heat of the moment. Strong decision and good for us. Up the Dale. It was surreal I agree, can't imagine a more surreal finish to a game. |
Agreed, but what is worrying is the fact that the correct decision was only given after the referee was almost forced by our players to go and consult the linesman. If the linesman thought the ref had got it wrong, which he obviously had, he should have flagged until he spoke to the ref about it, regardless of the reaction of our players. Wonder how many more times incidents like this have happened where the linesman hasnt had the guts or confidence to tell the ref that hes got it wrong. |  | | |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 12:33 - Mar 31 with 2434 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:49 - Mar 31 by TVOS1907 |
Talking of Toto, some of the comments aimed in his and the ref's direction about him being off the pitch, etc, were bloody embarrassing.
What if it had been a Dale player in the same position? |
Quite.
Good to know it's less serious than Andy Cannon's too.
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 12:51 - Mar 31 with 2396 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:44 - Mar 31 by 1907 |
The turning point yesterday was Hill finally realising that the back five system at home doesn’t work.
We look so much more dangerous and create so much more just by utilising an extra midfielder.
I can understand the need for the set up in away games, especially against tough opposition. However we really need to stop giving teams so much respect at home, play with four at the back and put teams on the back foot.
The difference in our play yesterday as a result of the formation change was staggering. |
It's not really 5 at the back if it's played correctly though - it only works when we are on the front foot - which we have been on numerous occasions using this formation - when the wingbacks are attacking and you are left with 3 at the back it's perfectly fine. When it doesn't work like yesterday it looks too defensive - the defenders/keeper launching long balls up to Calvin and the wingbacks not getting forward. Ultimately it's down to the players not doing their jobs or not being confident enough to get forward. | |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 14:26 - Mar 31 with 2252 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 11:10 - Mar 31 by D_Alien |
In terms of results, and Tottenham second half at Wembley apart - we haven't been pasted by anyone, but that's not the point
Shrews were playing football, in the first half at least, that was easily championship standard. Fast, accurate passing, a man always available, intelligent movement off the ball, winning it back with apparent ease - it was pleasing to watch, even as it threatened to hurt us. Their goal epitomised it, taken with aplomb
Of course, our haplessness contributed towards it and the changes we made plus Ollie's goal helped turn the tide. But for 40 minutes (of game time) we saw a standard that KH clearly aspires to and is reflected in their league position
And it doesn't matter what part of the ground it was viewed from, as some people think matters
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I was merely stating the view from the main stand near the centre is good |  |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 14:27 - Mar 31 with 2254 views | 1907 |
It didn’t work really against Wimbledon, Southend or Fleetwood.
England executed the formation brilliantly in the first half on Tuesday, I don’t think our players are technically good enough to play it. We look infinitely better having a holding midfielder instead of 3 CBs, especially against poor teams.
The second half yesterday was the most positive we’ve looked all season and I feel it was primarily down to us setting up similarly to what we did last season.
I hope to god we don’t set up defensively on Tuesday and just go for it at Bury | | | |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 14:30 - Mar 31 with 2248 views | mikehunt |
Shrews didn't exactly park the bus. That was all they needed to do to stop us. I think we bored them to death in the first half and, whilst they were in collective slumber, Olly managed to stroll through and score.
But what they did do was start to drop like flies at the merest touch - a la Peterborough - now that was ugly. |  |
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 14:51 - Mar 31 with 2187 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 14:27 - Mar 31 by 1907 |
It didn’t work really against Wimbledon, Southend or Fleetwood.
England executed the formation brilliantly in the first half on Tuesday, I don’t think our players are technically good enough to play it. We look infinitely better having a holding midfielder instead of 3 CBs, especially against poor teams.
The second half yesterday was the most positive we’ve looked all season and I feel it was primarily down to us setting up similarly to what we did last season.
I hope to god we don’t set up defensively on Tuesday and just go for it at Bury |
Yesterday in the second half we played high up the pitch - there was still a directness to our play but there were players in and around the strikers. The change in formation helped but so did the shift in the players’mindsets. We certainly can’t play the 3-5-2/5-3-2 with Henderson as one of the midfield three as he drops too deep, in the second half yesterday he was up around the front players.
The formation itself is fine, as long as the players play in the other side’s half, as seen at Millwall, Rotherham, even last week at Scunny. For some reason at home they seem to struggle with the same concept and it’s difficult to work out why, yet they managed it to great effect V Millwall and Spurs! The good thing about yesterday was that we shifted tactics mid-game and everyone responded. I agree that against teams who look to get a point, there’s an argument to reverting to two CH, but Shrewsbury weren’t doing that and as Hill rightly said in his interview, the players themselves were the real issue. [Post edited 31 Mar 2018 14:59]
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| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 15:32 - Mar 31 with 2106 views | JimmyRustler |
First half was absolutely shocking to watch. I had nightmares last night of watching us pump the ball up to Calvin only for him to flick it on to absolutely no-one...
Shrewsbury were a hard working outfit with players who looked very used to playing with each other and their closing down and pressing was first class in the first half.
Rathbone looked a totally different player to what I'd seen previously and controlled the tempo of the game really well. He deserved the goal (even if we probably didn't) but the keeper hardly covered himself in glory.
Fantastic finish from Davies - in and around the box he's as good as anything in this league...just a shame it takes him 15 minutes to get there sometimes...hehe
As for the penalty fiasco, I've never seen anything like it. Of course, the ref should get a bit of credit for eventually doing the right thing but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he gave it in the first place. He should be demoted to the conference on that basis alone and Nolan should be hung. Absolutely shocking all round.
Fantastic result in isolation BUT it'll only mean something if we get a result at Bury. At least we will know what we need to do there with everyone playing a day earlier. It's on. |  | | |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 19:48 - Apr 1 with 1633 views | Dale23years |
| Match thread: Shrewsbury H on 15:32 - Mar 31 by JimmyRustler |
First half was absolutely shocking to watch. I had nightmares last night of watching us pump the ball up to Calvin only for him to flick it on to absolutely no-one...
Shrewsbury were a hard working outfit with players who looked very used to playing with each other and their closing down and pressing was first class in the first half.
Rathbone looked a totally different player to what I'd seen previously and controlled the tempo of the game really well. He deserved the goal (even if we probably didn't) but the keeper hardly covered himself in glory.
Fantastic finish from Davies - in and around the box he's as good as anything in this league...just a shame it takes him 15 minutes to get there sometimes...hehe
As for the penalty fiasco, I've never seen anything like it. Of course, the ref should get a bit of credit for eventually doing the right thing but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he gave it in the first place. He should be demoted to the conference on that basis alone and Nolan should be hung. Absolutely shocking all round.
Fantastic result in isolation BUT it'll only mean something if we get a result at Bury. At least we will know what we need to do there with everyone playing a day earlier. It's on. |
fantastic second half performance, not good for my old ticker through.
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