| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? 09:16 - Sep 16 with 7834 views | ColDale |
When comparing him with the other greats, take into consideration the level that Hendo has done it at, the longevity of doing it and the influence that he has on the team, and can we drop the "one of" when talking about Hendo? |  | | |  |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:32 - Sep 16 with 3540 views | D_Alien |
As "one of" his fiercest critics a couple of years back, it's great to see he's reigned in his niggling of opponents, which led to them hitting back and woeful disciplinary consequences mainly for himself, but also the team
That was the only hindrance to his performing at a level that allows him to he seen as Dale's best ever player. He'd have been there before now imo if he'd been played further forward, but that's a different issue. He's nowhere near Dale's best midfielder, but for his overall contribution in the terms you describe, i'd say yes, and long may it continue |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:32 - Sep 16 with 3541 views | BillyRudd |
Take your point about longevity and level of play Col, but for influence on a team (staring into the abyss) I offer you Lyndon Simmonds. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:50 - Sep 16 with 3477 views | fitzochris |
I think there is still a lot of debate around this one, in a good way, of course. Would you consider Henderson the greatest Dale player of all time,or the greatest striker, for example?
As D_Alien, and many others, have pointed out, Henderson has sometimes been handicapped by willingly playing wherever he’s been asked. When you look at other great strikers this club has had, even in recent times, that really hasn’t happened - Whitehall, Holt, Dagnall, O’Grady etc. They have pretty much always played where they can have maximum impact. If Henderson is played correctly, he will certainly take this crown in a year or two.
In terms of the greatest player, he must be up there. Gary Jones, while lacking the technical quality of Henderson, has been every bit as important, however. Some of our other great players have flourished in weaker teams too, with weaker management, so that needs to be considered.
So, sorry, a long-winded way of saying we probably can’t drop the “one of”yet, but it won’t be too long before we can, given the way he is going. |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:58 - Sep 16 with 3447 views | aleanddale |
Superb yesterday from Hendo.
One of the greatest certainly in modern times.
If he carries on like yesterday for this season and next he will be right up at the very top.
With Hendo in that mood yesterday it was only ever going to end up with 3 points in the bag!
Up the Dale. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:43 - Sep 16 with 3353 views | pioneer |
Impossible to compare objective across eras, particularly when no one will have seen both henderson and Albert Whitehurst play. Also difficult to compare across positions so how do you compare Henderson and Jones.
Given proven goalscoring records over multiple seasons Id put Whitehurst, Jenkins and Henderson at the top and Steve Taylor not far behind. Difficult to think of anyone in midfield who would come close to Gay Jones. We have had some good uns but no one to match his leadership, goals, commitment etc over such a long period. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:43 - Sep 16 with 3352 views | DaleiLama |
He gets my GOAT. No caveats. His effort (and example this sets to the squad) alone is one of the principal reasons we have had success in L1. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:48 - Sep 16 with 3341 views | fitzochris |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:43 - Sep 16 by pioneer |
Impossible to compare objective across eras, particularly when no one will have seen both henderson and Albert Whitehurst play. Also difficult to compare across positions so how do you compare Henderson and Jones.
Given proven goalscoring records over multiple seasons Id put Whitehurst, Jenkins and Henderson at the top and Steve Taylor not far behind. Difficult to think of anyone in midfield who would come close to Gay Jones. We have had some good uns but no one to match his leadership, goals, commitment etc over such a long period. |
You compare Jones and Henderson as players and what they bring/brought to the team or you compare Henderson with other strikers, as my post stated. [Post edited 16 Sep 2018 10:50]
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:52 - Sep 16 with 3330 views | aleanddale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:43 - Sep 16 by pioneer |
Impossible to compare objective across eras, particularly when no one will have seen both henderson and Albert Whitehurst play. Also difficult to compare across positions so how do you compare Henderson and Jones.
Given proven goalscoring records over multiple seasons Id put Whitehurst, Jenkins and Henderson at the top and Steve Taylor not far behind. Difficult to think of anyone in midfield who would come close to Gay Jones. We have had some good uns but no one to match his leadership, goals, commitment etc over such a long period. |
Please edit I will not sleep tonight unless you add the R into Gary!!  | | | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:12 - Sep 16 with 3291 views | pioneer |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:52 - Sep 16 by aleanddale |
Please edit I will not sleep tonight unless you add the R into Gary!! |
Apologies, GARY Jones, honest mistake, typing on iPAD | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 11:54 - Sep 16 with 3186 views | TVOS1907 |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:52 - Sep 16 by aleanddale |
Please edit I will not sleep tonight unless you add the R into Gary!! |
R Gary?
Sorry, wrong thread! |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:08 - Sep 16 with 3166 views | TVOS1907 |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:32 - Sep 16 by D_Alien |
As "one of" his fiercest critics a couple of years back, it's great to see he's reigned in his niggling of opponents, which led to them hitting back and woeful disciplinary consequences mainly for himself, but also the team
That was the only hindrance to his performing at a level that allows him to he seen as Dale's best ever player. He'd have been there before now imo if he'd been played further forward, but that's a different issue. He's nowhere near Dale's best midfielder, but for his overall contribution in the terms you describe, i'd say yes, and long may it continue |
Aye, although it was a shame to see him pick-up a needless yellow card yesterday for kicking the ball away.
For me, these so-called 'doubts' are by and large created by Henderson himself (in terms of his six red cards, five of which were completely avoidable and unnecessary), the 'no blame' appeals following three of those red cards and his effectiveness when played in midfield (which is a 'doubt' created outwith Henderson).
Any 'doubts' from fans are no different to 'doubts' coming from fans about any other player at any other club in the country.
In fact, I think that doubt is undoubtedly the wrong word!
As for his previous presence on Twitter, how many people of sane mind actually correlated that with his Saturday performances.
Not many, I doubt! | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:11 - Sep 16 with 3158 views | YadHoDale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 09:32 - Sep 16 by BillyRudd |
Take your point about longevity and level of play Col, but for influence on a team (staring into the abyss) I offer you Lyndon Simmonds. |
Lyndon was excellent, but John Bramhall's 10 goals from centre back were just as important that season. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:14 - Sep 16 with 3150 views | Laveritty |
I posted a couple of years ago re Hendo that 'Form is temporary but class is permanent' - can't remember the game but it followed another of his sublime finishes after people on here had been questioning his continued presence in the team.
Almost as enjoyable as his goals, for me, is his commitment and willingness to roll up his sleeves and get stuck in - in particular that crunching tackle in the first couple of minutes. Somehow the clueless referee deemed that to be a foul but then proceeded to allow what looked a similar, probably more dangerous, foul by a Gillingham player go unpunished!
I also had a wry smile when Hilly took him off on 89 minutes to afford him a deserved standing ovation as I can't recall him ever being subbed off before apart from when injured. As Keith's trusted on pitch lieutenant he plays every minute of every game when fit and I think that that is quite telling when it comes to weighing up the value of the player?
Did somebody mention penalties...oh sh1t - well nobody's perfect!!! |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:36 - Sep 16 with 3094 views | MoonyDale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 12:14 - Sep 16 by Laveritty |
I posted a couple of years ago re Hendo that 'Form is temporary but class is permanent' - can't remember the game but it followed another of his sublime finishes after people on here had been questioning his continued presence in the team.
Almost as enjoyable as his goals, for me, is his commitment and willingness to roll up his sleeves and get stuck in - in particular that crunching tackle in the first couple of minutes. Somehow the clueless referee deemed that to be a foul but then proceeded to allow what looked a similar, probably more dangerous, foul by a Gillingham player go unpunished!
I also had a wry smile when Hilly took him off on 89 minutes to afford him a deserved standing ovation as I can't recall him ever being subbed off before apart from when injured. As Keith's trusted on pitch lieutenant he plays every minute of every game when fit and I think that that is quite telling when it comes to weighing up the value of the player?
Did somebody mention penalties...oh sh1t - well nobody's perfect!!! |
His competitiveness, his goal scoring and his commitment to the team cannot be faulted, every player has dips in form and in that respect he's no different to any other player. His temperament has sometimes been called into question but take that out of his game and he'd be half the player.....Best ever? Jenks and Jonah for me, he's bloody close though and he's not done yet so keep watching...... |  |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:12 - Sep 16 with 2896 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 10:43 - Sep 16 by DaleiLama |
He gets my GOAT. No caveats. His effort (and example this sets to the squad) alone is one of the principal reasons we have had success in L1. |
Make that GOYT and fair enough, however were you there to watch Jenkins or Milburn to name just two? [Post edited 16 Sep 2018 17:16]
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:22 - Sep 16 with 2869 views | ColDale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:12 - Sep 16 by kiwidale |
Make that GOYT and fair enough, however were you there to watch Jenkins or Milburn to name just two? [Post edited 16 Sep 2018 17:16]
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I think its fair to say that the Dale side of the current era is the best we've ever had. We had five consecutive spells in the equivalent division from 69 to 74 with finishes of 9th, 16th, 18th, 13th and 24th which is certainly inferior to the current crops run of 8th, 10th, 9th and 20th. Was that side from 69 to 74 as reliant on Jenkins as we've been on Henderson? | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:46 - Sep 16 with 2800 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:22 - Sep 16 by ColDale |
I think its fair to say that the Dale side of the current era is the best we've ever had. We had five consecutive spells in the equivalent division from 69 to 74 with finishes of 9th, 16th, 18th, 13th and 24th which is certainly inferior to the current crops run of 8th, 10th, 9th and 20th. Was that side from 69 to 74 as reliant on Jenkins as we've been on Henderson? |
The Dale side of 69 had great players all over the pitch many I will remember as Dale greats. Rudd was immense best midfielder ever in my time which spans 57 to 77 Whitehead also unbelievable think Stanley Mathews for pure dribbling skill often at walking pace, Tony Buck if not for the broken Leg that finished him would in my limited opinion would have smashed Dale goal scoring records, Paul Butler's goals per games would likewise be impressive. I could got through that team and all were in some way worthy of the title great. What set Reg Jenkins apart was that he was great in a good team even better in a bad one. Impossible to compare the 69ers to today the game has changed exponentially everything is better faster and more skilful at least in the area of technique and fitness so the GOAT debate is ultimately subjective at best. Just enjoy what is on display now you will take your memories with you. I envy you the match day experience watching this team I can assure you that you will be harking back to Henderson amongst others should you reach my age. | |
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 18:56 - Sep 16 with 2734 views | finberty |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:46 - Sep 16 by kiwidale |
The Dale side of 69 had great players all over the pitch many I will remember as Dale greats. Rudd was immense best midfielder ever in my time which spans 57 to 77 Whitehead also unbelievable think Stanley Mathews for pure dribbling skill often at walking pace, Tony Buck if not for the broken Leg that finished him would in my limited opinion would have smashed Dale goal scoring records, Paul Butler's goals per games would likewise be impressive. I could got through that team and all were in some way worthy of the title great. What set Reg Jenkins apart was that he was great in a good team even better in a bad one. Impossible to compare the 69ers to today the game has changed exponentially everything is better faster and more skilful at least in the area of technique and fitness so the GOAT debate is ultimately subjective at best. Just enjoy what is on display now you will take your memories with you. I envy you the match day experience watching this team I can assure you that you will be harking back to Henderson amongst others should you reach my age. |
Dennis Butler, surely? |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:16 - Sep 16 with 2696 views | nordenblue |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 18:56 - Sep 16 by finberty |
Dennis Butler, surely? |
Don't remember Paul having a good strike rate... | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 19:57 - Sep 16 with 2611 views | SaxonDale |
Don't think we've had (certainly not in my time supporting Dale) a player of such quality for such a long period.I think what makes him so special is he's performed in so many systems with so many players. The role he played with Vincenti and Hogan was different to when he played alongside Done which has again evolved. We'll probably all appreciate him more in 20 years than we do now when we're thinking of the great Hill moments Hendo will feature in a great few of them. I don't think there will ever be a greater example of a Keith Hill player- broken toy, works hard and a great footballer. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:18 - Sep 16 with 2485 views | Cleedale |
Interesting thread this one - was Hendo's goal against Leeds possibly the most sublime and exciting goal ever experienced by a Dale fan? Could any other player at Rochdale ever have replicated that?? AND....continued to replicate a true striker's CV when played in that position. Period. | | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:29 - Sep 16 with 2456 views | Cleedale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 17:46 - Sep 16 by kiwidale |
The Dale side of 69 had great players all over the pitch many I will remember as Dale greats. Rudd was immense best midfielder ever in my time which spans 57 to 77 Whitehead also unbelievable think Stanley Mathews for pure dribbling skill often at walking pace, Tony Buck if not for the broken Leg that finished him would in my limited opinion would have smashed Dale goal scoring records, Paul Butler's goals per games would likewise be impressive. I could got through that team and all were in some way worthy of the title great. What set Reg Jenkins apart was that he was great in a good team even better in a bad one. Impossible to compare the 69ers to today the game has changed exponentially everything is better faster and more skilful at least in the area of technique and fitness so the GOAT debate is ultimately subjective at best. Just enjoy what is on display now you will take your memories with you. I envy you the match day experience watching this team I can assure you that you will be harking back to Henderson amongst others should you reach my age. |
Great post there Kiwi.
I was only a kid when first seeing Dale but they were in the same division as now. My headmaster in primary school on the east coast was a certain Mr.Rudd. In my first few days he came over to ask me if I'd heard of Billy Rudd who was either his cousin or nephew.
He told me what a great player he was and have since heard a lot about Norman Whitehead, Dennis Butler and obviously Reg.
None of these actually played in my first LIVE game but do remember Gordon Morrit (goalkeeper) breaking his leg. Grimsby subsequently allowed Harry Wainman to join Dale on loan.
Down shops Harry told me he inadvertantly threw the ball out to a Shrewsbury player at their ground (Dale always played in blue) and from that Shrewsbury scored.
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| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:35 - Sep 16 with 2438 views | 49thseason |
Keith Hill must have thought that all his birthdays had come at once when Hendo's partner got a job at Man U and they moved to the Northwest having been released with Michael Rose from Colchester. We had already signed Rose when Hendo arrived so I am guessing there was some discussion with Rose. Ultimately, the football gods put a club in need of help next to a player needing a club who believed in him, a marriage made in Rochdale.
I have seen lots of players since my first game in the late 1950s most were indifferent, some were talented but prone to waste their gifts, others were outstanding players looking for a final payday, a very small band fall into the category of "Club Legends"
Their names will easily roll off the lips of the majority of fans but for me, Henderson stands out even from my boyhood hero Big Reg. He has embraced the club, and the club has embraced him, he seems almost grateful to have found somewhere he can call home and his decision to play out his career at Rochdale speaks volumes for his appreciation of his manager and surroundings. He has the deftest of touches and the snarl of a yard dog, his energy is boundless and his fitness unparalleled. For once the football gods smiled on Rochdale and I for one, am hugely grateful. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:52 - Sep 16 with 2412 views | soulboy |
He is the greatest and heres 9 reasons why. Can use both feet, can tackle, unbelieavable work rate, excellent in the air for his height, scores goals regularly, never injured, fantastic football brain, has the added responsibility of club captain, has comitted himself to the club long term. |  | | |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 22:07 - Sep 16 with 2381 views | kiwidale |
| Ian Henderson - greatest of all time? on 21:35 - Sep 16 by 49thseason |
Keith Hill must have thought that all his birthdays had come at once when Hendo's partner got a job at Man U and they moved to the Northwest having been released with Michael Rose from Colchester. We had already signed Rose when Hendo arrived so I am guessing there was some discussion with Rose. Ultimately, the football gods put a club in need of help next to a player needing a club who believed in him, a marriage made in Rochdale.
I have seen lots of players since my first game in the late 1950s most were indifferent, some were talented but prone to waste their gifts, others were outstanding players looking for a final payday, a very small band fall into the category of "Club Legends"
Their names will easily roll off the lips of the majority of fans but for me, Henderson stands out even from my boyhood hero Big Reg. He has embraced the club, and the club has embraced him, he seems almost grateful to have found somewhere he can call home and his decision to play out his career at Rochdale speaks volumes for his appreciation of his manager and surroundings. He has the deftest of touches and the snarl of a yard dog, his energy is boundless and his fitness unparalleled. For once the football gods smiled on Rochdale and I for one, am hugely grateful. |
I appreciate your opinion 49th you have seen both era. I also agree that Henderson has made the club his home which makes him special, I'm sure there have been several opportunities to move for more money and is more than good enough to play at an higher level. On a slightly different note its worth mentioning that Stan Milburn, Ted Burgin and Tony Collins made the town their home. How many have done that over the years? [Post edited 16 Sep 2018 22:13]
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