| Fans forum postponed on 21:53 - Jan 8 with 2770 views | Rochdale_ger |
How many supporters usually attend? |  | |  |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:00 - Jan 8 with 2745 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Fans forum postponed on 21:49 - Jan 8 by judd |
I believe the board are genuine in wanting the forum to happen.
I understand that the presentation idea came from the Trust.
We need to bear in mind that some of the board are unpaid and have interests outside of the club and to make a Monday night and then Tuesday night for these events may be beyond their free time.
Also bear in mind a desire to still go ahead as near to the end of January as possible.
If I was to be critical I would take RAFCBLUES line about known dates and contingency planning. There is a danger of lip service being applied. A lack of forethought applied to the date similar to the Sunderland debacle last season when they'd been to Wembley the week before. Not being wise after the event here, neither.
The accounts, I think, should be disclosed to shareholders before the rest of the fan base. I guess that is protocol that should be observed and forgive me if I have misread the intentions of the postponement in light of the imminent posting of 2019 accounts.
Please also bear in mind that this unprecedented mid-season forum came about as a result of some serious questions and unclear answers to fans questions via the Trust, and you have to admire the boards desire to get over this divide and address the grey areas for the benefit of both sides of this definite divide.
As much as the postponement is a disappointment, I do not think it warrants suspicion or scorn at all, clearly dependent on a new date being announced and adhered to.
I also expect the accounts to show a significant deficit to May 2019. |
Then let them prove us wrong judd.
My suggestion of holding it on Saturday 25th January 2020 at 11am is a valid one.
Convenient for fans, the presentation is already written you would assume, the Radcliffe can accommodate a good number and all concerned, including those presenting, can get on with an afternoon of supporting Dale.
And its in January as per the OS promise earlier today.
It's so practically easy that it is actually harder to choose a different January 2020 date.
It was pressure on here that led to an interim forum being called.
What is more transparent than facing the masses and their questions on the day of a home game? |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 22:02 - Jan 8 with 2731 views | judd |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:00 - Jan 8 by RAFCBLUE |
Then let them prove us wrong judd.
My suggestion of holding it on Saturday 25th January 2020 at 11am is a valid one.
Convenient for fans, the presentation is already written you would assume, the Radcliffe can accommodate a good number and all concerned, including those presenting, can get on with an afternoon of supporting Dale.
And its in January as per the OS promise earlier today.
It's so practically easy that it is actually harder to choose a different January 2020 date.
It was pressure on here that led to an interim forum being called.
What is more transparent than facing the masses and their questions on the day of a home game? |
Let's give them chance to respond.
Sound suggestion, I'm sure it won't suit some though. |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 22:09 - Jan 8 with 2702 views | judd |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:02 - Jan 8 by judd |
Let's give them chance to respond.
Sound suggestion, I'm sure it won't suit some though. |
https://www.gov.uk/annual-accounts
'Re: shareholders and notifications of statutory accounts. | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 22:11 - Jan 8 with 2693 views | Dorislove |
| Fans forum postponed on 21:49 - Jan 8 by judd |
I believe the board are genuine in wanting the forum to happen.
I understand that the presentation idea came from the Trust.
We need to bear in mind that some of the board are unpaid and have interests outside of the club and to make a Monday night and then Tuesday night for these events may be beyond their free time.
Also bear in mind a desire to still go ahead as near to the end of January as possible.
If I was to be critical I would take RAFCBLUES line about known dates and contingency planning. There is a danger of lip service being applied. A lack of forethought applied to the date similar to the Sunderland debacle last season when they'd been to Wembley the week before. Not being wise after the event here, neither.
The accounts, I think, should be disclosed to shareholders before the rest of the fan base. I guess that is protocol that should be observed and forgive me if I have misread the intentions of the postponement in light of the imminent posting of 2019 accounts.
Please also bear in mind that this unprecedented mid-season forum came about as a result of some serious questions and unclear answers to fans questions via the Trust, and you have to admire the boards desire to get over this divide and address the grey areas for the benefit of both sides of this definite divide.
As much as the postponement is a disappointment, I do not think it warrants suspicion or scorn at all, clearly dependent on a new date being announced and adhered to.
I also expect the accounts to show a significant deficit to May 2019. |
You proof read this Judd,club people maybe can't make an already booked meeting with the most important people ? The fans, because of what ? 2 night's and they need to go to the Newcastle game .Fred Ratcliffe didn't have much free time ,the overcoat men didn't either .
Maybe more like they really shouldn't be discussing accounts until they have been acted upon by the shareholders. |  | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:11 - Jan 8 with 2693 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:02 - Jan 8 by judd |
Let's give them chance to respond.
Sound suggestion, I'm sure it won't suit some though. |
Usually, when you actively choose to cancel something you do offer or plan to offer an alternative date for what you have cancelled.
Let’s give them chance, yes. Let’s see how long a rearranged date takes. | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 22:19 - Jan 8 with 2653 views | judd |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:11 - Jan 8 by Dorislove |
You proof read this Judd,club people maybe can't make an already booked meeting with the most important people ? The fans, because of what ? 2 night's and they need to go to the Newcastle game .Fred Ratcliffe didn't have much free time ,the overcoat men didn't either .
Maybe more like they really shouldn't be discussing accounts until they have been acted upon by the shareholders. |
Can't disagree with your chagrin or your point about shareholders.
As I alluded to in my post, the board recognise there is a disconnect and I believe they are genuine in attempting to fix that.
It could possibly have been allowed to go ahead with a limitation on the number of board members attending.
Is that what the supporters want though?
I'm disappointed that the posting of 2019 accounts is part of the excuse to postpone. | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 06:00 - Jan 9 with 2508 views | TalkingSutty |
| Fans forum postponed on 21:49 - Jan 8 by judd |
I believe the board are genuine in wanting the forum to happen.
I understand that the presentation idea came from the Trust.
We need to bear in mind that some of the board are unpaid and have interests outside of the club and to make a Monday night and then Tuesday night for these events may be beyond their free time.
Also bear in mind a desire to still go ahead as near to the end of January as possible.
If I was to be critical I would take RAFCBLUES line about known dates and contingency planning. There is a danger of lip service being applied. A lack of forethought applied to the date similar to the Sunderland debacle last season when they'd been to Wembley the week before. Not being wise after the event here, neither.
The accounts, I think, should be disclosed to shareholders before the rest of the fan base. I guess that is protocol that should be observed and forgive me if I have misread the intentions of the postponement in light of the imminent posting of 2019 accounts.
Please also bear in mind that this unprecedented mid-season forum came about as a result of some serious questions and unclear answers to fans questions via the Trust, and you have to admire the boards desire to get over this divide and address the grey areas for the benefit of both sides of this definite divide.
As much as the postponement is a disappointment, I do not think it warrants suspicion or scorn at all, clearly dependent on a new date being announced and adhered to.
I also expect the accounts to show a significant deficit to May 2019. |
Your last comment is the most relevant one i think. This was the season when Hills budget was increased by the Chairman and those in the Boardroom ( most of who will be on the top table at the upcoming forum). The financial accounts for that year will be particularly poor ones, we all knew that Hill overspent and was allowed to collect far too many players, players were also rewarded with new contracts etc. Chris Dunphy was Chairman during that period and must shoulder most of the blame for letting the situation develop. Hill was like a runaway train and seemed answerable to nobody.
The delaying of the forum will now give the Directors the opportunity to refer to the accounts to justify the lack of spending and probably paint a picture of a Club in financial meltdown. If that’s the case then god help all the other Clubs, very few are as financially stable as we are. The reality is that they will be referring to a unusual set of financial figures and a ‘normal’ season would see us roughly lose our budgeted deficit. Take this year for instance, there is no way that the Club should make a loss when you factor in the extra money generated through player sales/ transfer add ons/ United money/ FA cup prize money/ gate receipts/ FA Cup Television payments. I don’t think we have ever had a better 12 months financially. We are now also operating with a smaller squad that is boosted by several youth players, so the wage bill can’t be as high as last season under Hill.
I expect a tale of doom and gloom will be portrayed at the fans forum and the fans will traipse away just grateful that we still have a Club, there could even be spontaneous applause and standing ovations from some. We all know that the Club runs on a loss, it always has done, that’s why we sell players and pray for just one decent cup draw, we’ve recently hit the jackpot twice in that respect but there doesn’t seem to have been much gratitude coming out of the Boardroom, it’s like it hasn’t even registered with them! The bottom line is when it comes to finances we have poor seasons and good seasons , the Director’s are right to highlight particularly poor seasons but in the interest of fairness they should also eulogise about the good ones and when it comes to fantastic player sales or brilliant cup ties you don’t hear anything, the money is treated as an irrelevance and something that shouldn’t be mentioned. [Post edited 9 Jan 2020 6:30]
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| Fans forum postponed on 07:23 - Jan 9 with 2466 views | aleanddale |
| Fans forum postponed on 21:49 - Jan 8 by judd |
I believe the board are genuine in wanting the forum to happen.
I understand that the presentation idea came from the Trust.
We need to bear in mind that some of the board are unpaid and have interests outside of the club and to make a Monday night and then Tuesday night for these events may be beyond their free time.
Also bear in mind a desire to still go ahead as near to the end of January as possible.
If I was to be critical I would take RAFCBLUES line about known dates and contingency planning. There is a danger of lip service being applied. A lack of forethought applied to the date similar to the Sunderland debacle last season when they'd been to Wembley the week before. Not being wise after the event here, neither.
The accounts, I think, should be disclosed to shareholders before the rest of the fan base. I guess that is protocol that should be observed and forgive me if I have misread the intentions of the postponement in light of the imminent posting of 2019 accounts.
Please also bear in mind that this unprecedented mid-season forum came about as a result of some serious questions and unclear answers to fans questions via the Trust, and you have to admire the boards desire to get over this divide and address the grey areas for the benefit of both sides of this definite divide.
As much as the postponement is a disappointment, I do not think it warrants suspicion or scorn at all, clearly dependent on a new date being announced and adhered to.
I also expect the accounts to show a significant deficit to May 2019. |
Your last line is interesting Judd I think that this is true and probably to do with Hills increased playing budget and then having to pay him off.
There is also the stadium purchase that we are still paying for which ultimately will stand is in better shape.
The better news is several cash injections since via player sales / sell on % and cup runs taking us to OT and now St James Park should see us with better cash in hand / cash flow this time next year.
It will be interesting to see just how big the loss in this trading period is. |  | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 07:45 - Jan 9 with 2435 views | Nigeriamark |
| Fans forum postponed on 07:23 - Jan 9 by aleanddale |
Your last line is interesting Judd I think that this is true and probably to do with Hills increased playing budget and then having to pay him off.
There is also the stadium purchase that we are still paying for which ultimately will stand is in better shape.
The better news is several cash injections since via player sales / sell on % and cup runs taking us to OT and now St James Park should see us with better cash in hand / cash flow this time next year.
It will be interesting to see just how big the loss in this trading period is. |
Moving forward, I think the club should give a 1 year schedule of proposed fans forums ( dates may then be tweaked ) The financials are important & could IMHO be discussed twice
1. When the official statements for the previous year are available to announce, and after the transfer window i.e February. This gives a chance to look as to how we stand on the previous years financials and how any recruitment will have impacted ( including the previous Window
2. A pre season Meeting. Although financial data does not need to be submitted/released until 9 months + after year end, most clubs should have a basic Profit and Loss (P&L) available within a month or so of the end of the year. For the purposes of what the fans need to see the P&L is the most important although the club could also make an estimate of Net Assets too
If you had another meeting in say July, this would be the true state of play as of just 2 months previously and a forecast for the future
It may need the shareholders agreement to release a draft of this but would probably make us one of the most transparent clubs in the EFL. The Year end 2020 is also important as it will be the first full year of the new regime. |  | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 07:49 - Jan 9 with 2434 views | TalkingSutty |
| Fans forum postponed on 07:23 - Jan 9 by aleanddale |
Your last line is interesting Judd I think that this is true and probably to do with Hills increased playing budget and then having to pay him off.
There is also the stadium purchase that we are still paying for which ultimately will stand is in better shape.
The better news is several cash injections since via player sales / sell on % and cup runs taking us to OT and now St James Park should see us with better cash in hand / cash flow this time next year.
It will be interesting to see just how big the loss in this trading period is. |
The details of the repayments on the Stadium were announced at the time. I seem to remember they are approximately 60K/year over a 10 year mortgage and it was stated that they are are very manageable. It’s the equivalent of one players annual wage. As you rightly point out ownership of our Stadium is massive and it should never be put in jeopardy again or financed against other projects.
If the Chairman and Directors are going to use the forum to highlight how skint the Club is then that’s fare enough but they can’t then start unveiling plans for a new training complex and all the associated costs that will involve just to keep it operating on a monthly basis. If we are in dire straits now and are struggling to maintain a team in League One then we would have no chance if we had to finance a project like that. My fear is that those in the Boardroom are willing to compromise our League position in order to divert money into other projects rather than recruitment . The proof will be in the pudding and I hope I am proved to be completely wrong but that’s my gut feeling. [Post edited 9 Jan 2020 8:14]
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| Fans forum postponed on 08:02 - Jan 9 with 2415 views | pioneer |
| Fans forum postponed on 22:11 - Jan 8 by Dorislove |
You proof read this Judd,club people maybe can't make an already booked meeting with the most important people ? The fans, because of what ? 2 night's and they need to go to the Newcastle game .Fred Ratcliffe didn't have much free time ,the overcoat men didn't either .
Maybe more like they really shouldn't be discussing accounts until they have been acted upon by the shareholders. |
Fred ratcliffe never had forums with the fans | | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 08:15 - Jan 9 with 2389 views | EllDale |
No but you could always find him in the bar at the Crimble if you wanted to know anything. | | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 10:35 - Jan 9 with 2263 views | ParkinsGimp |
Has a slight taste of Milky Bars about this ...I really hope not.
But agree that our financial situation may not be as rosey as some would believe.
Having the forum at the end of Jan so we cant push for action in the transfer window could be conspiracy theory but then again leaves no time to complain about lack of investment for this season.
I believe the board have looked at this season and the loss of bURY and Noblots deductions and thought there are only two other teams to finish above to avoid relegation. A dangerous supposition. Yes Tranmere and Southend are poor but could pull a run together , MK & The real Dons are there or thereabouts and Accy can pull a few good results if needed so I think the Dale are hanging on stance is precarious . | | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 12:57 - Jan 9 with 2173 views | kiwidale |
| Fans forum postponed on 10:35 - Jan 9 by ParkinsGimp |
Has a slight taste of Milky Bars about this ...I really hope not.
But agree that our financial situation may not be as rosey as some would believe.
Having the forum at the end of Jan so we cant push for action in the transfer window could be conspiracy theory but then again leaves no time to complain about lack of investment for this season.
I believe the board have looked at this season and the loss of bURY and Noblots deductions and thought there are only two other teams to finish above to avoid relegation. A dangerous supposition. Yes Tranmere and Southend are poor but could pull a run together , MK & The real Dons are there or thereabouts and Accy can pull a few good results if needed so I think the Dale are hanging on stance is precarious . |
"Has a slight taste of Milky Bars about this"... whether you are right or not PG that's a great line.  | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 13:47 - Jan 15 with 1954 views | IOMDale |
... Hope we have news about the rearrangement this week. |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 14:48 - Jan 15 with 1844 views | SuddenLad |
| Fans forum postponed on 08:02 - Jan 9 by pioneer |
Fred ratcliffe never had forums with the fans |
He did if you went in the Crimble. |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 15:09 - Jan 15 with 1786 views | 442Dale |
| Fans forum postponed on 13:47 - Jan 15 by IOMDale |
... Hope we have news about the rearrangement this week. |
After contacting the Trust around the postponement, a question was raised around when the Trust would information around a new date. They said they hoped to get a confirmed date “by next Wednesday at the latest”. So we should hear something today. |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 17:06 - Jan 16 with 1562 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Fans forum postponed on 15:09 - Jan 15 by 442Dale |
After contacting the Trust around the postponement, a question was raised around when the Trust would information around a new date. They said they hoped to get a confirmed date “by next Wednesday at the latest”. So we should hear something today. |
17th feb |  |
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| Fans forum postponed on 18:01 - Jan 16 with 1462 views | TomRAFC |
Glad to see it's been rearranged. I hope there will be a proper amount of time for questions, and that the version on ifollow isn't going to be edited down to a polished speech and snappy soundbites. | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 19:18 - Jan 16 with 1348 views | Shun |
As someone who’s never been to one of these before, do you just turn up or do you have to reserve a place? |  | | |
| Fans forum postponed on 19:22 - Jan 16 with 1333 views | 442Dale |
| Fans forum postponed on 19:18 - Jan 16 by Shun |
As someone who’s never been to one of these before, do you just turn up or do you have to reserve a place? |
Turn up, sit/stand wherever you like. | |
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| Fans forum postponed on 22:41 - Jan 16 with 1202 views | RAFCBLUE |
8th January:
"A new date for the forum will be confirmed in due course, aimed to be scheduled as close to the end of January as possible"
8 days later on 16th January:
"Monday 17th February"
Could it really not have been put on earlier than this?
And what are the chances of it being pulled again due to unforeseen circumstances?
I suspect that accounts will have been sent to shareholders by then given they have to be filed by the end of February 2020. | |
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