| Coronavirus 10:39 - Mar 4 with 75115 views | electricblue |
With the spread of this illness what are the chances of games getting called postponed and the season not being completed.....
What would the financial knock on effect be to lower league clubs..... |  |
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| Coronavirus on 10:18 - Apr 2 with 1308 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 08:58 - Apr 2 by BigDaveMyCock |
The vast vast majority of people understand the lockdown. It’s reinforced when we hear experts and those on the frontline imploring us to remove ourselves from social contact. It’s certainly not what any of us would have chosen but, in comparison to those on the frontline in hospitals, supermarkets and care homes, our sacrifice is minimal.
We’re doing it to save lives.
So, forgive us if we don’t all get excited as you do about what is effectively Nigel Farage whinging about having to self-isolate in his country retreat. Forgive us for not agreeing with him when he likens it to being under “house arrest”. Compare poor Nige’s struggles with his self-isolation hell with that of a doctor or nurse in an A&E department right now. Poor Nigel, poor poor Nigel.
Note how he doesn’t propose any alternatives. No policy, no nothing. Just reactionary whining.
This crisis is going to sort the political wheat from the chaff. It’s going to require politicians of substance, and not rabble rousing orators. Those able to organise, plan, manage and be creative in policy. Thus far nationalist populists seem to be struggling massively in how to deal with it and move beyond...well, rabble rousing. |
I'm really struggling (and have done most of my life, but never more so than now) to listen to politicians talking out of the sides of their mouths, squirming, putting forward BS excuses, not answering questions asked and putting forward limp excuses which don't withstand any scrutiny at all. This issue of testing should indeed sort the wheat from the chaff. If we can see it from weeks ago sat in our armchairs, why can people paid to do something about it not.
To date, Sunak is the one emerging from this with most credibility. BoJo is noticeable by his absence. I know he can't appear publicly, but he tweeted on day one of his self-isolation and nothing since. The updates started as a good idea, but they are virtually unwatchable now. Only one question per media member with no follow up and all questions deflected or facing a straight bat.
As I have repeated ad nauseum, I have no political axe to grind and have no doubt labour or any other party would have been as bad. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 10:39 - Apr 2 with 1289 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Coronavirus on 10:08 - Apr 2 by jonesy |
Totally support the nhs. Hope they still get support when this all ends.
Look at this website.
https://www.heathrow.com/arrivals
5 arrivals from ew York this morning. 4 expected from Madrid. Are they all being tested? |
I genuinely have no idea. What is becoming apparent though is that the testing regime, or lack of, is coming under a lot of criticism from all quarters and not just Nigel Farage. However, given his preference for a private healthcare system and a minimal state and his inability to offer any answers to the self-serving constant criticisms he makes, many of us do not believe Nige has anything positive to add whatsoever to this crisis. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 10:44 - Apr 2 with 1285 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 10:18 - Apr 2 by DaleiLama |
I'm really struggling (and have done most of my life, but never more so than now) to listen to politicians talking out of the sides of their mouths, squirming, putting forward BS excuses, not answering questions asked and putting forward limp excuses which don't withstand any scrutiny at all. This issue of testing should indeed sort the wheat from the chaff. If we can see it from weeks ago sat in our armchairs, why can people paid to do something about it not.
To date, Sunak is the one emerging from this with most credibility. BoJo is noticeable by his absence. I know he can't appear publicly, but he tweeted on day one of his self-isolation and nothing since. The updates started as a good idea, but they are virtually unwatchable now. Only one question per media member with no follow up and all questions deflected or facing a straight bat.
As I have repeated ad nauseum, I have no political axe to grind and have no doubt labour or any other party would have been as bad. |
Reckon Sunak could be the next PM? | | | |
| Coronavirus on 10:46 - Apr 2 with 1280 views | aleanddale |
if the whole point of this isolation and lockdown is to slow the spread so the NHS does not get overwhelmed that is still a worry.
There still could be hundreds of thousands who get Covid-19 and tens of thousands could die it will just take a few months longer?.
Something has seriously spooked the government to take this drastic action. I don't for one minute think they are telling us everything they know.
Worrying times this could take months to sort and what then? what happens when lockdown rules are softened?. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 10:49 - Apr 2 with 1281 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 10:18 - Apr 2 by DaleiLama |
I'm really struggling (and have done most of my life, but never more so than now) to listen to politicians talking out of the sides of their mouths, squirming, putting forward BS excuses, not answering questions asked and putting forward limp excuses which don't withstand any scrutiny at all. This issue of testing should indeed sort the wheat from the chaff. If we can see it from weeks ago sat in our armchairs, why can people paid to do something about it not.
To date, Sunak is the one emerging from this with most credibility. BoJo is noticeable by his absence. I know he can't appear publicly, but he tweeted on day one of his self-isolation and nothing since. The updates started as a good idea, but they are virtually unwatchable now. Only one question per media member with no follow up and all questions deflected or facing a straight bat.
As I have repeated ad nauseum, I have no political axe to grind and have no doubt labour or any other party would have been as bad. |
You're right about the daily update, riddler should've been careful what he wished for! (tic)
You're also right about alternative politicians (you're right about a lot, and political neutrality won't hinder your case in that regard)
To put in a different way what I've previously put forward, Imo what we're witnessing is the government has tried to pull levers but nothing happening; or far too slowly, and in it's attempt to provide reassurance has been left with egg on it's face. To give one example: the chancellor set up a government-backed scheme for urgent lending to businesses to tide them over. The banks have sat on the money, or applied unjustified lending criteria suitable in normal circumstances but against the spirit of the scheme. Alok Sharma issued a warning to them last night to comply. He also comes across well (maybe those of Asian heritage don't have the same capacity for old-school emolliance.)
The mortality figures will almost certainly continue to rise for a few days yet, and we should be prepared for that, until the social distancing/isolation measures work through. The figure of 20,000 was referred to some time ago as "doing well" to fall below, and it's vital we all, as far as humanly possible, keep our nerve. Or at least try to refrain from blasting our nerves all over this messageboard, although i'm sure we all understand when it happens [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 10:51]
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| Coronavirus on 11:06 - Apr 2 with 1251 views | BlueMessiah |
| Coronavirus on 10:08 - Apr 2 by jonesy |
Totally support the nhs. Hope they still get support when this all ends.
Look at this website.
https://www.heathrow.com/arrivals
5 arrivals from ew York this morning. 4 expected from Madrid. Are they all being tested? |
Yes, they will be tested, but due to the current shortage of the test kits the new arrivals have to be able to answer "No" to the following question or else they will have to make their way back to where they have just arrived from:
Q: Are you currently suffering from any of the symptoms associated with the Covid-19 virus?
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| Coronavirus on 11:06 - Apr 2 with 1250 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Coronavirus on 10:18 - Apr 2 by DaleiLama |
I'm really struggling (and have done most of my life, but never more so than now) to listen to politicians talking out of the sides of their mouths, squirming, putting forward BS excuses, not answering questions asked and putting forward limp excuses which don't withstand any scrutiny at all. This issue of testing should indeed sort the wheat from the chaff. If we can see it from weeks ago sat in our armchairs, why can people paid to do something about it not.
To date, Sunak is the one emerging from this with most credibility. BoJo is noticeable by his absence. I know he can't appear publicly, but he tweeted on day one of his self-isolation and nothing since. The updates started as a good idea, but they are virtually unwatchable now. Only one question per media member with no follow up and all questions deflected or facing a straight bat.
As I have repeated ad nauseum, I have no political axe to grind and have no doubt labour or any other party would have been as bad. |
Totally agree, this is not a party political thing. I think most people, whatever their persuasion, have given or lent their support to the government during this crisis. I think people are genuinely not expecting miracles and understand how seismic the tasks are. What we don’t want, however, is deflection tactics, or worse, dishonesty.
Take Johnson’s message given yesterday pronouncing the vital importance of testing. Yes Boris, we know that. We don’t need this repeating, we fully understand the importance of the situation thank you. What we want to know is (without any bs) why the level of testing has been so poor and, more importantly, what (without any bs) is really being done to address it!!
Just give us facts, no flannel, just facts. [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 11:11]
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| Coronavirus on 11:10 - Apr 2 with 1244 views | Nigeriamark |
| Coronavirus on 10:46 - Apr 2 by aleanddale |
if the whole point of this isolation and lockdown is to slow the spread so the NHS does not get overwhelmed that is still a worry.
There still could be hundreds of thousands who get Covid-19 and tens of thousands could die it will just take a few months longer?.
Something has seriously spooked the government to take this drastic action. I don't for one minute think they are telling us everything they know.
Worrying times this could take months to sort and what then? what happens when lockdown rules are softened?. |
You are exactly correct, it is to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope. You can't actually stop a virus which I don't think has been made clear, but you can buy time. In that time perhaps a vaccine can be discovered or as is the case now you can best manage the resources you have to maximise recovery. The original government strategy & current strategy could both end up with the same number of cases with the important ones being those who are most vulnerable
If I just make up the numbers to illustrate, both scenarios may lead to 100,000 cases in vulnerable people who need ICU and ventilators. With the strategy we originally started with, perhaps most of those would hit in a month, and in the latter scenario perhaps over 5 months. The first scenario would lead to utter bedlam in the NHS, the latter more manageable
I think what has spooked the government ( and others) is probably that the initial data on the virus may not have suggested such a huge peak as that suggested once actual data started coming in. as a result what was a correct strategy for the original thoughts on the virus had to be changed ( we can all make correct decisions with hindsight)
If no vaccine is discovered then the principles of herd immunity will still apply and the virus will eventually die out but over a longer period of time than the original strategy. The timing of the release from lockdown will be interesting and the justification. However it happens there needs to be a clear communication in laymen's language of what has happened, how we got where we are and what we are doing and why. It needs to be delivered in my opinion by experts in this field not politicians & should also explain where we were caught out by the virus and what we can do the next time this happens ( which it will)
A lot of finger pointing and blame going on but at the end of the day the main culprit is the virus, and they don't listen to anyone !! |  | | |
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| Coronavirus on 11:13 - Apr 2 with 1237 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 10:49 - Apr 2 by D_Alien |
You're right about the daily update, riddler should've been careful what he wished for! (tic)
You're also right about alternative politicians (you're right about a lot, and political neutrality won't hinder your case in that regard)
To put in a different way what I've previously put forward, Imo what we're witnessing is the government has tried to pull levers but nothing happening; or far too slowly, and in it's attempt to provide reassurance has been left with egg on it's face. To give one example: the chancellor set up a government-backed scheme for urgent lending to businesses to tide them over. The banks have sat on the money, or applied unjustified lending criteria suitable in normal circumstances but against the spirit of the scheme. Alok Sharma issued a warning to them last night to comply. He also comes across well (maybe those of Asian heritage don't have the same capacity for old-school emolliance.)
The mortality figures will almost certainly continue to rise for a few days yet, and we should be prepared for that, until the social distancing/isolation measures work through. The figure of 20,000 was referred to some time ago as "doing well" to fall below, and it's vital we all, as far as humanly possible, keep our nerve. Or at least try to refrain from blasting our nerves all over this messageboard, although i'm sure we all understand when it happens [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 10:51]
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Yes, the warning Sharma gave the banks was the only part of the update that was worth bothering with, but without a stick to hit them with will it improve anything? I hope so.
I get what you are saying about levers being pulled and nothing happening and the flip side is levers are being pulled by industry (accredited and competent labs and Unis with testing capability sat twiddling their thumbs waiting to be contacted to start testing). I really think the gov should use expertise in management from industry like they are using the army for logistics. They seem to be missing too many tricks and incapable of thinking outside the box (like you have advocated) on some issues.
I think one thing that's leaving a lot of people in a stupor is the powerlessness of the fight of man versus this virus in so many ways. Which is why it's so important we fight it in every way we can. As you say, strong nerves are what's now needed. | |
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| Coronavirus on 11:17 - Apr 2 with 1231 views | D_Alien |
| Coronavirus on 11:10 - Apr 2 by Nigeriamark |
You are exactly correct, it is to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope. You can't actually stop a virus which I don't think has been made clear, but you can buy time. In that time perhaps a vaccine can be discovered or as is the case now you can best manage the resources you have to maximise recovery. The original government strategy & current strategy could both end up with the same number of cases with the important ones being those who are most vulnerable
If I just make up the numbers to illustrate, both scenarios may lead to 100,000 cases in vulnerable people who need ICU and ventilators. With the strategy we originally started with, perhaps most of those would hit in a month, and in the latter scenario perhaps over 5 months. The first scenario would lead to utter bedlam in the NHS, the latter more manageable
I think what has spooked the government ( and others) is probably that the initial data on the virus may not have suggested such a huge peak as that suggested once actual data started coming in. as a result what was a correct strategy for the original thoughts on the virus had to be changed ( we can all make correct decisions with hindsight)
If no vaccine is discovered then the principles of herd immunity will still apply and the virus will eventually die out but over a longer period of time than the original strategy. The timing of the release from lockdown will be interesting and the justification. However it happens there needs to be a clear communication in laymen's language of what has happened, how we got where we are and what we are doing and why. It needs to be delivered in my opinion by experts in this field not politicians & should also explain where we were caught out by the virus and what we can do the next time this happens ( which it will)
A lot of finger pointing and blame going on but at the end of the day the main culprit is the virus, and they don't listen to anyone !! |
Absolutely 100% spot on
And good luck with your flight home - today isn't it? | |
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| Coronavirus on 11:19 - Apr 2 with 1226 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 11:06 - Apr 2 by BlueMessiah |
Yes, they will be tested, but due to the current shortage of the test kits the new arrivals have to be able to answer "No" to the following question or else they will have to make their way back to where they have just arrived from:
Q: Are you currently suffering from any of the symptoms associated with the Covid-19 virus?
Simples |
In other words they are not tested on arrival! They are just asked if they have the virus! Ridiculous. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 11:22 - Apr 2 with 1220 views | jonesy |
Can you imagine them flying all that way and saying oh yes I have the virus. Send me back. By the way I’ve just infected all the passengers on th plane. | | | |
| Coronavirus on 11:32 - Apr 2 with 1199 views | TalkingSutty |
| Coronavirus on 11:10 - Apr 2 by Nigeriamark |
You are exactly correct, it is to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope. You can't actually stop a virus which I don't think has been made clear, but you can buy time. In that time perhaps a vaccine can be discovered or as is the case now you can best manage the resources you have to maximise recovery. The original government strategy & current strategy could both end up with the same number of cases with the important ones being those who are most vulnerable
If I just make up the numbers to illustrate, both scenarios may lead to 100,000 cases in vulnerable people who need ICU and ventilators. With the strategy we originally started with, perhaps most of those would hit in a month, and in the latter scenario perhaps over 5 months. The first scenario would lead to utter bedlam in the NHS, the latter more manageable
I think what has spooked the government ( and others) is probably that the initial data on the virus may not have suggested such a huge peak as that suggested once actual data started coming in. as a result what was a correct strategy for the original thoughts on the virus had to be changed ( we can all make correct decisions with hindsight)
If no vaccine is discovered then the principles of herd immunity will still apply and the virus will eventually die out but over a longer period of time than the original strategy. The timing of the release from lockdown will be interesting and the justification. However it happens there needs to be a clear communication in laymen's language of what has happened, how we got where we are and what we are doing and why. It needs to be delivered in my opinion by experts in this field not politicians & should also explain where we were caught out by the virus and what we can do the next time this happens ( which it will)
A lot of finger pointing and blame going on but at the end of the day the main culprit is the virus, and they don't listen to anyone !! |
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| Coronavirus on 11:33 - Apr 2 with 1197 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 11:22 - Apr 2 by jonesy |
Can you imagine them flying all that way and saying oh yes I have the virus. Send me back. By the way I’ve just infected all the passengers on th plane. |
I know you say this in jest, but a person with the virus was knowingly flown on a plane full of people yesterday to a hospital in Boston. Seriously. | |
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| Coronavirus on 11:39 - Apr 2 with 1193 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 11:10 - Apr 2 by Nigeriamark |
You are exactly correct, it is to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope. You can't actually stop a virus which I don't think has been made clear, but you can buy time. In that time perhaps a vaccine can be discovered or as is the case now you can best manage the resources you have to maximise recovery. The original government strategy & current strategy could both end up with the same number of cases with the important ones being those who are most vulnerable
If I just make up the numbers to illustrate, both scenarios may lead to 100,000 cases in vulnerable people who need ICU and ventilators. With the strategy we originally started with, perhaps most of those would hit in a month, and in the latter scenario perhaps over 5 months. The first scenario would lead to utter bedlam in the NHS, the latter more manageable
I think what has spooked the government ( and others) is probably that the initial data on the virus may not have suggested such a huge peak as that suggested once actual data started coming in. as a result what was a correct strategy for the original thoughts on the virus had to be changed ( we can all make correct decisions with hindsight)
If no vaccine is discovered then the principles of herd immunity will still apply and the virus will eventually die out but over a longer period of time than the original strategy. The timing of the release from lockdown will be interesting and the justification. However it happens there needs to be a clear communication in laymen's language of what has happened, how we got where we are and what we are doing and why. It needs to be delivered in my opinion by experts in this field not politicians & should also explain where we were caught out by the virus and what we can do the next time this happens ( which it will)
A lot of finger pointing and blame going on but at the end of the day the main culprit is the virus, and they don't listen to anyone !! |
I think part of the thinking in delaying it was also to push cases into months where the background number of seasonal ailments was lower, which entirely makes sense - common sense even (flattens curve and takes away complications fighting 2 illnesses)!
My main concern with this, right from the beginning, having seen what we saw in China, was that decision makers in too many outside countries didn't take this virus seriously enough. That isn't a hindsight observation, it's based on evidence from China. It's too late now, but as you say, lessons MUST be learned. | |
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| Coronavirus on 11:41 - Apr 2 with 1186 views | MoonyDale |
| Coronavirus on 10:09 - Apr 2 by jonesy |
Another intelligent response. Think you’ve got the blanket over your head. Bit like an ostrich. |
Blanket? You mean duvet, been under it for 2 weeks and not likely to be out anytime soon....However it's a Nigel free duvet so all good, intelligence? Coming from you that's rich....Must try harder.. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 12:10 - Apr 2 with 1147 views | Nigeriamark |
| Coronavirus on 11:17 - Apr 2 by D_Alien |
Absolutely 100% spot on
And good luck with your flight home - today isn't it? |
Thanks. I got a flight back a day early and arrived last night.
I left the UK in 1998 and today realised that as I don't have a residence permit or job in another country due to backpacking for the last year, yesterday may end up being day 1 of my permanent return to the UK after 22 years. What a strange time to come back for sure !!! | | | |
| Coronavirus on 12:16 - Apr 2 with 1142 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Coronavirus on 10:49 - Apr 2 by D_Alien |
You're right about the daily update, riddler should've been careful what he wished for! (tic)
You're also right about alternative politicians (you're right about a lot, and political neutrality won't hinder your case in that regard)
To put in a different way what I've previously put forward, Imo what we're witnessing is the government has tried to pull levers but nothing happening; or far too slowly, and in it's attempt to provide reassurance has been left with egg on it's face. To give one example: the chancellor set up a government-backed scheme for urgent lending to businesses to tide them over. The banks have sat on the money, or applied unjustified lending criteria suitable in normal circumstances but against the spirit of the scheme. Alok Sharma issued a warning to them last night to comply. He also comes across well (maybe those of Asian heritage don't have the same capacity for old-school emolliance.)
The mortality figures will almost certainly continue to rise for a few days yet, and we should be prepared for that, until the social distancing/isolation measures work through. The figure of 20,000 was referred to some time ago as "doing well" to fall below, and it's vital we all, as far as humanly possible, keep our nerve. Or at least try to refrain from blasting our nerves all over this messageboard, although i'm sure we all understand when it happens [Post edited 2 Apr 2020 10:51]
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Yes the daily update is annoying , mainly because the Heads just offer up promises of ‘ramping up’- I now hate the phrase, and no plausible explanation for the failure to meet their own targets. I just hope things are handled better from here, for everyone’s sake. If we can’t provide more than 30 ventilators a week, or we are unlikely to substantially increase testing in the short term, someone needs to say that, rather than spoofing with woolly promises. |  |
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| Coronavirus on 12:28 - Apr 2 with 1122 views | dalenumber2 |
| Coronavirus on 11:41 - Apr 2 by MoonyDale |
Blanket? You mean duvet, been under it for 2 weeks and not likely to be out anytime soon....However it's a Nigel free duvet so all good, intelligence? Coming from you that's rich....Must try harder.. |
Do you think you have got the virus Moony? I am still poorly 10 days after starting with aches and pains and high temp. I was thinking it was going on a long time but if you're still ill after 2 weeks then maybe I am going to have to suffer for a bit longer? Just wish we could get tested so we knew for sure. |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 12:41 - Apr 2 with 1113 views | jonesy |
| Coronavirus on 11:41 - Apr 2 by MoonyDale |
Blanket? You mean duvet, been under it for 2 weeks and not likely to be out anytime soon....However it's a Nigel free duvet so all good, intelligence? Coming from you that's rich....Must try harder.. |
Get well soon :). I’ll send Nigel round to perk you up😃 | | | |
| Coronavirus on 12:42 - Apr 2 with 1114 views | Molly |
No disrespect to you Leccy. It would have been very difficult to have predicted the extent of
the effects of this horrible virus upon the UK, but just re-reading the OP it has to be one of the understatements of the millenium! | | | |
| Coronavirus on 12:53 - Apr 2 with 1100 views | DaleiLama |
| Coronavirus on 12:28 - Apr 2 by dalenumber2 |
Do you think you have got the virus Moony? I am still poorly 10 days after starting with aches and pains and high temp. I was thinking it was going on a long time but if you're still ill after 2 weeks then maybe I am going to have to suffer for a bit longer? Just wish we could get tested so we knew for sure. |
If you have concerns DN2, give your surgery a call. Your GP should call you back for a consultation. They can even do breathing examinations by phone now (won't be as good as a stethoscope but still better than nowt). | |
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| Coronavirus on 13:03 - Apr 2 with 1093 views | MoonyDale |
| Coronavirus on 12:28 - Apr 2 by dalenumber2 |
Do you think you have got the virus Moony? I am still poorly 10 days after starting with aches and pains and high temp. I was thinking it was going on a long time but if you're still ill after 2 weeks then maybe I am going to have to suffer for a bit longer? Just wish we could get tested so we knew for sure. |
After the symptoms started 15 days ago or do NHS111 told me to isolate for 7 days, by day 5 I started feeling a bit better then on day 8 till now I have been in bed floored, was in touch with my GP and 111 again and am now having Antibiotics and Steroids. Lungs sound like they are full of marbles, had to send my dog to my daughters as I couldn't get up to feed her. Am pretty sure it's pneumonia but if it is a by product of the virus I won't know without a test, unless I'm admitted I won't get one until the antibody test is rolled out...The GP (who has been terrific) says it could be between 3 and 6 months before I'm fully recovered, the breathing is crap, the coughing is bloody awful and the pluracy like pains in the back means little sleep....Sore throat has gone and headaches also have stopped. It's shitty it's boring as hell but it's better than lots of people out there who haven't been so lucky.....Stay safe and well and get as much Vit C down as you can, best wishes for a speedy recovery ...... | |
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| Coronavirus on 13:08 - Apr 2 with 1086 views | fermin |
I have not followed the news, or this thread, avidly on this, so I am not fully up to speed on everything, but I would like to pick up on a couple of points mentioned on here influenced by some comments I have briefly heard by chance on late night radio (may get the details wrong).
1) One discussion mentioned how F1 companies were using their technology to engineer and produce ventilation or similar equipment and get them out to the NHS as soon as possible. One caller or the host commented that after we get out of this it might lead people to question the bureaucracy of procurement for the NHS and other public sector bodies if something like this could be done so quickly driven by industry in an emergency.
2) A Briton living in Japan commented how he despaired when comparing the NHS to the Japanese health system, where access to medical facilities is much easier because there is more of it, and hence how it would cope with the crisis. This was because there was an additional element of payment or public insurance scheme involved either, but this was politically impossible to implement in the UK due to the obsession with the NHS being free at source and only funded by taxation as anything different would be privatising the NHS and selling it off to Trump's mates. My understanding is that it is quite common for good national health services in the EU and Asia (eg France, Finland, Japan) to be financed in this way without going full US-style (which nobody sane outside the US wants). It is not such a reach even here where we pay for prescriptions. Perhaps that is something to think about as well when things settle down.
I think someone earlier on was asking what the scientists were doing, so for the scientifically minded here is what my local University is up to:
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Area/coronavirus-research
I believe large numbers of researchers from all sorts of disparate disciplines have dropped everything to try and fight the virus (no doubt other Universities as well eg Oxford and KCL are co-operating on a ventilator project).
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-03-18-coronavirus-researchers-at-oxfo |  | | |
| Coronavirus on 13:29 - Apr 2 with 1065 views | dalenumber2 |
| Coronavirus on 13:03 - Apr 2 by MoonyDale |
After the symptoms started 15 days ago or do NHS111 told me to isolate for 7 days, by day 5 I started feeling a bit better then on day 8 till now I have been in bed floored, was in touch with my GP and 111 again and am now having Antibiotics and Steroids. Lungs sound like they are full of marbles, had to send my dog to my daughters as I couldn't get up to feed her. Am pretty sure it's pneumonia but if it is a by product of the virus I won't know without a test, unless I'm admitted I won't get one until the antibody test is rolled out...The GP (who has been terrific) says it could be between 3 and 6 months before I'm fully recovered, the breathing is crap, the coughing is bloody awful and the pluracy like pains in the back means little sleep....Sore throat has gone and headaches also have stopped. It's shitty it's boring as hell but it's better than lots of people out there who haven't been so lucky.....Stay safe and well and get as much Vit C down as you can, best wishes for a speedy recovery ...... |
Oh dear, you’re much worse than me, sounds terrible. I’ve had a fever on and off, horrible flu like aches and pains and generally feel crap. Dizzy, no energy etc. But thankfully my lungs are ok so far. Hope you’ve got someone to look after you? All the best for a good recovery and it doesn’t drag on too long. | | | |
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