| Furloughed Staff 17:50 - Apr 4 with 8170 views | Barrowdale |
Is it just me or is it abhorrent to see Liverpool taking government (our) money to pay non playing staff wages? |  | | |  |
| Furloughed Staff on 20:22 - Apr 4 with 3921 views | nordenblue |
Yep, while their players continue to get fook knows how many thousands a week, the club have agreed to top the 20% difference up from the governments 80% wage, how jolly decent..... |  | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 22:41 - Apr 4 with 3813 views | RAFCBLUE |
Not really.
It’s a government scheme and they are a UK organisation taking part in the scheme.
There are many big PLC companies unfortunately furloughing staff for April and May. Why not a football club?
We have the chance to furlough any Dale employees during this period and the Government will cover 80 % of their salary up to £2,500 per month (salary of £37,500 a year).
Given you can bring back the employee at any point if circumstances change, it's a bit of a no brainer when the government will underwrite salary costs for an organisation.
The last set of accounts say that the club had 133 employees (91 non-playing).
I'll be amazed if we have chosen to not furlough a significant number of them.
Does anybody know? |  |
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| Furloughed Staff on 23:30 - Apr 4 with 3783 views | pioneer |
| Furloughed Staff on 22:41 - Apr 4 by RAFCBLUE |
Not really.
It’s a government scheme and they are a UK organisation taking part in the scheme.
There are many big PLC companies unfortunately furloughing staff for April and May. Why not a football club?
We have the chance to furlough any Dale employees during this period and the Government will cover 80 % of their salary up to £2,500 per month (salary of £37,500 a year).
Given you can bring back the employee at any point if circumstances change, it's a bit of a no brainer when the government will underwrite salary costs for an organisation.
The last set of accounts say that the club had 133 employees (91 non-playing).
I'll be amazed if we have chosen to not furlough a significant number of them.
Does anybody know? |
So just think how many liverpool have.
I see the PFA are defending the premier league millionaires by saying cutting their pay will mean they pay less tax so less funds for the NHS! Great argument.... lets pay them all more so that the NHS can be better off.
I think I need to lie down. | | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 00:19 - Apr 5 with 3747 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Furloughed Staff on 23:30 - Apr 4 by pioneer |
So just think how many liverpool have.
I see the PFA are defending the premier league millionaires by saying cutting their pay will mean they pay less tax so less funds for the NHS! Great argument.... lets pay them all more so that the NHS can be better off.
I think I need to lie down. |
And how much do Liverpool pay each year into HMRC via PAYE, VAT and corporation tax?
Furloughing is a national scheme. Any eligible participant has as right to take part in it if they wish.
The option if furloughing wasn’t in place would be for Liverpool to make all of those furloughed staff redundantat a much greater impact to them individually, their families and the local and national economy.
We should equally be using this scheme. It leaves us only liable for 20% of the wage bill of furloughed employees for two months and it protects the cashflow. | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 07:07 - Apr 5 with 3682 views | todmordendale |
I would assume that Liverpool’s annual wage bill for non-playing staff is substantially less than the money they pay to agents.
Whilst they have the right to ‘furlough’ like any company, I think what rankles most people is the moral issue.
Increasingly, there seems to be ill feeling against the misappropriated behaviour of football at the top. | | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 08:42 - Apr 5 with 3628 views | mingthemerciless |
| Furloughed Staff on 23:30 - Apr 4 by pioneer |
So just think how many liverpool have.
I see the PFA are defending the premier league millionaires by saying cutting their pay will mean they pay less tax so less funds for the NHS! Great argument.... lets pay them all more so that the NHS can be better off.
I think I need to lie down. |
Are these the same players that actually use all sorts of nefarious schemes to avoid paying tax in the first place ? [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 9:27]
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| Furloughed Staff on 09:01 - Apr 5 with 3601 views | D_Alien |
| Furloughed Staff on 00:19 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
And how much do Liverpool pay each year into HMRC via PAYE, VAT and corporation tax?
Furloughing is a national scheme. Any eligible participant has as right to take part in it if they wish.
The option if furloughing wasn’t in place would be for Liverpool to make all of those furloughed staff redundantat a much greater impact to them individually, their families and the local and national economy.
We should equally be using this scheme. It leaves us only liable for 20% of the wage bill of furloughed employees for two months and it protects the cashflow. |
"The option if furloughing wasn't in place would be for Liverpool to make all of those furloughed staff redundant..."
Really? REALLY?
I'm pretty sure that the players taking a small reduction in their weekly fortunes would cover it, rather than the rest of us. Shameful, and precisely why there needs to be a reset of values (both societal and financial) when this is over |  |
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| Furloughed Staff on 09:41 - Apr 5 with 3554 views | fitzochris |
All footballers contribute to PAYE from their salary, that is fact. The top earners pay 50% (just ask Andrei Arshavin). However, as was exposed by the not-too-distant Rangers scandal, there are mechanisms available to get around how much salary is taxable (not always legal), if the unscrupulous want to employ such.
Either way, the elite footballers are not the villains of this piece when it comes to the lower paid club staff, the owners are - all day, every day. |  |
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| Furloughed Staff on 09:49 - Apr 5 with 3543 views | jonahwhereru |
| Furloughed Staff on 09:01 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
"The option if furloughing wasn't in place would be for Liverpool to make all of those furloughed staff redundant..."
Really? REALLY?
I'm pretty sure that the players taking a small reduction in their weekly fortunes would cover it, rather than the rest of us. Shameful, and precisely why there needs to be a reset of values (both societal and financial) when this is over |
Liverpool have American owners. Laying people of is second nature in American economics. So without this scheme yes I am sure they and many hundreds of other companies would have pushed the redundancy button.
For the vast majority of people getting back into work on a similar package would be almost impossible. Possibly furloughed staff will also need to take at cut when they return. But at least they will be spared the trauma of zero hours contracts which most likely will be waiting for plenty of those made redundant. Who could blame would be employers for using that tool in the uncertainty of a post Covid19 business world.
I wish we did not need it, but fair play to Every employer who has gone for it as an alternative to redundancy.
The way money sloshes around the upper echelons of football is a different matter. Which many of us have strong views on. | | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 09:53 - Apr 5 with 3533 views | D_Alien |
| Furloughed Staff on 09:41 - Apr 5 by fitzochris |
All footballers contribute to PAYE from their salary, that is fact. The top earners pay 50% (just ask Andrei Arshavin). However, as was exposed by the not-too-distant Rangers scandal, there are mechanisms available to get around how much salary is taxable (not always legal), if the unscrupulous want to employ such.
Either way, the elite footballers are not the villains of this piece when it comes to the lower paid club staff, the owners are - all day, every day. |
I don't disagree about owners (not all, but many) but for myself and i suspect a great many people, the argument about hugely inflated salaries = more tax paid is at best, specious
It's about what value society places on respective professional endeavour, and calling for a reset isn't casting players as villains, it's about the whole system of finance in football, including the many hangers-on such as agents. The players would do well to make at least some attempt to recognise this - it's not a great image for those whose profile and income from sponsorship in particular depends on it | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 10:12 - Apr 5 with 3520 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Furloughed Staff on 09:01 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
"The option if furloughing wasn't in place would be for Liverpool to make all of those furloughed staff redundant..."
Really? REALLY?
I'm pretty sure that the players taking a small reduction in their weekly fortunes would cover it, rather than the rest of us. Shameful, and precisely why there needs to be a reset of values (both societal and financial) when this is over |
Furloughed staff can not only be players DA, they are anyone on PAYE.
But you know this.
They are the men and women in the ticket offices, marketing departments, football in the community offices, youth set ups, stewards, car park attendants, office staff, finance staff.
Liverpool employed circa 800 as of FY2019.
Also 1,716 part time staff members and 10 part time scouts/coaches and 1,000 matchday staff.
They have a workforce bigger than our average crowd.
All of those people have a living to make to pay a rent / mortgage and put food on the table whilst football is shut for a long time.
Liverpool (or any other organisation for that matter) can make these employees with nothing to do redundant; up and down the country that is happening.
In countries like the US it is happening on a huge life changing scale. Frightening for society too when this is over.
Furloughing is a time specific softer landing choice sponsored by UK government.
To play your logic back, Ian Henderson should give up some of his £4,000 a week (£200,000 per year!) so that we keep the folks in the marketing function, club shop.
The club should also pay all wages of the non-playing staff in full and not take advantage of the Government’s scheme?
We can afford to. We have the Dawson money, the cup run money and Mathewson money.
We will being doing exactly the same as Liverpool in using furlough.
Or are the ticket office staff, bar staff and club shops staff at Rochdale still on full wages during April?
Of course they are not. Our CEO will see to that, as hard as it will be for those employees it is hard for everyone at the moment.
Let’s hope those calling out Liverpool for this think about those furloughed within RAFC and other organisations and I do hope those who are going through furlough come through it ok.
Pandemic causes a huge economic shock that takes years to recover from.
There will be a global recession after this is cured. That’s bad for events based businesses of any kind, including football clubs and most important the well-being of the human beings themselves. | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 10:19 - Apr 5 with 3508 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Furloughed Staff on 09:41 - Apr 5 by fitzochris |
All footballers contribute to PAYE from their salary, that is fact. The top earners pay 50% (just ask Andrei Arshavin). However, as was exposed by the not-too-distant Rangers scandal, there are mechanisms available to get around how much salary is taxable (not always legal), if the unscrupulous want to employ such.
Either way, the elite footballers are not the villains of this piece when it comes to the lower paid club staff, the owners are - all day, every day. |
And it’s not just football.
I don’t see the leadership team of McDonalds or Nandos getting it in the neck for using furlough.
Or Whitbread (Costa Coffee , Premier Inn)
Or Easyjet.
Or RAFC.
It’s very hard for everyone, globally at present and will be for two to three years financially because of this.
And the economics of lost time can never be made up. | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 10:38 - Apr 5 with 3478 views | D_Alien |
| Furloughed Staff on 10:12 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
Furloughed staff can not only be players DA, they are anyone on PAYE.
But you know this.
They are the men and women in the ticket offices, marketing departments, football in the community offices, youth set ups, stewards, car park attendants, office staff, finance staff.
Liverpool employed circa 800 as of FY2019.
Also 1,716 part time staff members and 10 part time scouts/coaches and 1,000 matchday staff.
They have a workforce bigger than our average crowd.
All of those people have a living to make to pay a rent / mortgage and put food on the table whilst football is shut for a long time.
Liverpool (or any other organisation for that matter) can make these employees with nothing to do redundant; up and down the country that is happening.
In countries like the US it is happening on a huge life changing scale. Frightening for society too when this is over.
Furloughing is a time specific softer landing choice sponsored by UK government.
To play your logic back, Ian Henderson should give up some of his £4,000 a week (£200,000 per year!) so that we keep the folks in the marketing function, club shop.
The club should also pay all wages of the non-playing staff in full and not take advantage of the Government’s scheme?
We can afford to. We have the Dawson money, the cup run money and Mathewson money.
We will being doing exactly the same as Liverpool in using furlough.
Or are the ticket office staff, bar staff and club shops staff at Rochdale still on full wages during April?
Of course they are not. Our CEO will see to that, as hard as it will be for those employees it is hard for everyone at the moment.
Let’s hope those calling out Liverpool for this think about those furloughed within RAFC and other organisations and I do hope those who are going through furlough come through it ok.
Pandemic causes a huge economic shock that takes years to recover from.
There will be a global recession after this is cured. That’s bad for events based businesses of any kind, including football clubs and most important the well-being of the human beings themselves. |
Just to be clear, i'm not calling out Liverpool (not sure why they've been targeted by the OP) but football in general... RAFCBLUE
I think it's also clear from your reply that you've misunderstood the essence of my post(s)
There's nothing in your reply that i hadn't already factored into my opinion
It's the whole damned edifice that needs a reset, and as the global economy recovers from the most severe shock it's likely to receive in your or my lifetime, thinking outside the box will be required, and if lower league clubs become part of a reset so be it. It's being amply demonstrated before our very eyes that the value hitherto placed on sporting and celebrity is a chimera, when faced with the fundamentals of existence
Of course, sport will continue as the global economy recovers, but those within it should be no more sheltered than any other business, and right now there are those within its ranks at the very top end who are effectively being sheltered, the ones who can most afford not to be
Whilst we're here - is anyone else becoming increasingly pissed off with seeing news columns about celebrities who've contracted covid19? Is their wellbeing any more important than your nextdoor neighbour? In fact, who really gives one? | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 11:24 - Apr 5 with 3429 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Furloughed Staff on 10:38 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
Just to be clear, i'm not calling out Liverpool (not sure why they've been targeted by the OP) but football in general... RAFCBLUE
I think it's also clear from your reply that you've misunderstood the essence of my post(s)
There's nothing in your reply that i hadn't already factored into my opinion
It's the whole damned edifice that needs a reset, and as the global economy recovers from the most severe shock it's likely to receive in your or my lifetime, thinking outside the box will be required, and if lower league clubs become part of a reset so be it. It's being amply demonstrated before our very eyes that the value hitherto placed on sporting and celebrity is a chimera, when faced with the fundamentals of existence
Of course, sport will continue as the global economy recovers, but those within it should be no more sheltered than any other business, and right now there are those within its ranks at the very top end who are effectively being sheltered, the ones who can most afford not to be
Whilst we're here - is anyone else becoming increasingly pissed off with seeing news columns about celebrities who've contracted covid19? Is their wellbeing any more important than your nextdoor neighbour? In fact, who really gives one? |
I see DA; it was you taking of part of my post RE: Liverpool that causes confusion.
Re your other points; this crisis will do nothing but make everything more polarised.
Governments have done well to control populations via the media for years whilst not doing the thing that governments should do being protect their own people.
Now, that’s all well and good in the ok times.
But currently, the average demographic in any country can’t do the six or seven things they want to, including leave their houses.
And the main method of that control (I.e broadcast media) has no new content other than global pandemic and death.
That means no advertisers and that means no income regardless of your chosen broadcast media for TV and less for the producers of product.
We are beginning to see a downward economic spiral commence.
That’s not a reset but a societal separation coming.
Haves and have nots and it will be very acutely felt. Keeping your job in these times, in an way or form, will be a positive.
Equally the government has a message that in bad times they will bail you out to £2,500 per month and employers will hold that as a gun to the country’s head re future redundancy for many years to come. | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 11:25 - Apr 5 with 3427 views | Barrowdale |
This was really the point of my original post. 20% off all playing staff for a year would easily pay all other staff and leave plenty to filter down the pyramid. They will need to do much more than what they are currently proposing in my view | | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 11:27 - Apr 5 with 3423 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Furloughed Staff on 10:38 - Apr 5 by D_Alien |
Just to be clear, i'm not calling out Liverpool (not sure why they've been targeted by the OP) but football in general... RAFCBLUE
I think it's also clear from your reply that you've misunderstood the essence of my post(s)
There's nothing in your reply that i hadn't already factored into my opinion
It's the whole damned edifice that needs a reset, and as the global economy recovers from the most severe shock it's likely to receive in your or my lifetime, thinking outside the box will be required, and if lower league clubs become part of a reset so be it. It's being amply demonstrated before our very eyes that the value hitherto placed on sporting and celebrity is a chimera, when faced with the fundamentals of existence
Of course, sport will continue as the global economy recovers, but those within it should be no more sheltered than any other business, and right now there are those within its ranks at the very top end who are effectively being sheltered, the ones who can most afford not to be
Whilst we're here - is anyone else becoming increasingly pissed off with seeing news columns about celebrities who've contracted covid19? Is their wellbeing any more important than your nextdoor neighbour? In fact, who really gives one? |
There will be no reset, unless driven by monetary factors , any study of previous disasters shows that we don’t learn from disasters, we just move on until the next one, we think it won’t happen again . Whilst top level footballers wages may suffer, particularly if some tv companies go bang, people will still contribute to grossly inflated salaries whether by watching games on tv, or attending matches. We will still be content to pay minimum wages to ‘low grade’ jobs, we will still pay more attention to celebrity issues, we all do it on here with our RIP’s to well known people.
To reset societal values takes more than a few thousand deaths, people will soon revert to type, there will be lip service paid, and many people will genuinely believe things will change. I’m not a big gambler, but I would bet my house that in 18 months it will all be business as usual. Of course I hope I am wrong |  |
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| Furloughed Staff on 11:56 - Apr 5 with 3382 views | D_Alien |
| Furloughed Staff on 11:27 - Apr 5 by rochdaleriddler |
There will be no reset, unless driven by monetary factors , any study of previous disasters shows that we don’t learn from disasters, we just move on until the next one, we think it won’t happen again . Whilst top level footballers wages may suffer, particularly if some tv companies go bang, people will still contribute to grossly inflated salaries whether by watching games on tv, or attending matches. We will still be content to pay minimum wages to ‘low grade’ jobs, we will still pay more attention to celebrity issues, we all do it on here with our RIP’s to well known people.
To reset societal values takes more than a few thousand deaths, people will soon revert to type, there will be lip service paid, and many people will genuinely believe things will change. I’m not a big gambler, but I would bet my house that in 18 months it will all be business as usual. Of course I hope I am wrong |
I fully understand where you're coming from with that. In one sense, we'd all hope to be back to 'normal' in 18 months but with a new normal
I've never been against social justice, just the means by which it can be best brought about, and it's the authoritarian aspect of collectivism that i recoil from (see my post re the Ukraine). But when a significant majority decides of it's own free will that value resides in more egalitarian principles, that's when it'll happen and there's the best chance in modern history outside of wartime for that to happen. New leadership at the helm in both major camps also bodes well, but enterprise in it's best sense will be needed more than ever | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 12:33 - Apr 5 with 3344 views | nordenblue |
| Furloughed Staff on 10:12 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
Furloughed staff can not only be players DA, they are anyone on PAYE.
But you know this.
They are the men and women in the ticket offices, marketing departments, football in the community offices, youth set ups, stewards, car park attendants, office staff, finance staff.
Liverpool employed circa 800 as of FY2019.
Also 1,716 part time staff members and 10 part time scouts/coaches and 1,000 matchday staff.
They have a workforce bigger than our average crowd.
All of those people have a living to make to pay a rent / mortgage and put food on the table whilst football is shut for a long time.
Liverpool (or any other organisation for that matter) can make these employees with nothing to do redundant; up and down the country that is happening.
In countries like the US it is happening on a huge life changing scale. Frightening for society too when this is over.
Furloughing is a time specific softer landing choice sponsored by UK government.
To play your logic back, Ian Henderson should give up some of his £4,000 a week (£200,000 per year!) so that we keep the folks in the marketing function, club shop.
The club should also pay all wages of the non-playing staff in full and not take advantage of the Government’s scheme?
We can afford to. We have the Dawson money, the cup run money and Mathewson money.
We will being doing exactly the same as Liverpool in using furlough.
Or are the ticket office staff, bar staff and club shops staff at Rochdale still on full wages during April?
Of course they are not. Our CEO will see to that, as hard as it will be for those employees it is hard for everyone at the moment.
Let’s hope those calling out Liverpool for this think about those furloughed within RAFC and other organisations and I do hope those who are going through furlough come through it ok.
Pandemic causes a huge economic shock that takes years to recover from.
There will be a global recession after this is cured. That’s bad for events based businesses of any kind, including football clubs and most important the well-being of the human beings themselves. |
You're surely not comparing Hendos salary to that of say Mane or Salah as a direct comparison,then to our office staff and Liverpools who in many cases will earn probably pretty similar, the gap is worlds apart.
If a firm cannot afford to keep their staff on and redundancy is THE ONLY option then yes fully agree with the option( my wife's currently on it), the thing that gets right on peoples tits is when millions and millions are clearly slushing around at the top of the tree and the company in general and they simply use this as an easy way to get out of paying their staff, see premiership football as the perfect example.... | | | |
| Furloughed Staff on 12:35 - Apr 5 with 3341 views | TalkingSutty |
| Furloughed Staff on 10:12 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
Furloughed staff can not only be players DA, they are anyone on PAYE.
But you know this.
They are the men and women in the ticket offices, marketing departments, football in the community offices, youth set ups, stewards, car park attendants, office staff, finance staff.
Liverpool employed circa 800 as of FY2019.
Also 1,716 part time staff members and 10 part time scouts/coaches and 1,000 matchday staff.
They have a workforce bigger than our average crowd.
All of those people have a living to make to pay a rent / mortgage and put food on the table whilst football is shut for a long time.
Liverpool (or any other organisation for that matter) can make these employees with nothing to do redundant; up and down the country that is happening.
In countries like the US it is happening on a huge life changing scale. Frightening for society too when this is over.
Furloughing is a time specific softer landing choice sponsored by UK government.
To play your logic back, Ian Henderson should give up some of his £4,000 a week (£200,000 per year!) so that we keep the folks in the marketing function, club shop.
The club should also pay all wages of the non-playing staff in full and not take advantage of the Government’s scheme?
We can afford to. We have the Dawson money, the cup run money and Mathewson money.
We will being doing exactly the same as Liverpool in using furlough.
Or are the ticket office staff, bar staff and club shops staff at Rochdale still on full wages during April?
Of course they are not. Our CEO will see to that, as hard as it will be for those employees it is hard for everyone at the moment.
Let’s hope those calling out Liverpool for this think about those furloughed within RAFC and other organisations and I do hope those who are going through furlough come through it ok.
Pandemic causes a huge economic shock that takes years to recover from.
There will be a global recession after this is cured. That’s bad for events based businesses of any kind, including football clubs and most important the well-being of the human beings themselves. |
Our CEO was on Sky and the BBC explaining that suspending the season and not being able to play the remaining home games will cost us £250K (we might still play those games). Since then the EFL have stumped up £50 million to be divided between the 72 Clubs, our cut will cover that £250K sum mentioned by the CEO, in fact I think he did a follow up on the radio and welcomed the money. The solidarity payment, season ticket money, sponsorship money will already be in place to help fund wages etc. What are we as a Club missing out on then at this moment in time that would result in us having to make staff redundant? If this carries on into next season then obviously there would be a problem going forward.
I’m not saying whether we are right or wrong in taking this decision but just wondering if it was absolutely necessary at this moment in time when listening to our CEOs original comments. The Premiership Clubs also had a meeting a couple of days ago and agreed on a sum of £125 million to help EFL and the National League Clubs through this period.
As a tax payer it has me wondering if the furloughed situation is open to abuse and could some clubs actually end up being financially better off if football starts up again in the next 3 or 4 months, especially if the fixtures are concluded? [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 14:23]
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| Furloughed Staff on 12:37 - Apr 5 with 3336 views | kiwidale |
| Furloughed Staff on 12:33 - Apr 5 by nordenblue |
You're surely not comparing Hendos salary to that of say Mane or Salah as a direct comparison,then to our office staff and Liverpools who in many cases will earn probably pretty similar, the gap is worlds apart.
If a firm cannot afford to keep their staff on and redundancy is THE ONLY option then yes fully agree with the option( my wife's currently on it), the thing that gets right on peoples tits is when millions and millions are clearly slushing around at the top of the tree and the company in general and they simply use this as an easy way to get out of paying their staff, see premiership football as the perfect example.... |
Im pretty sure RAFC was not comparing Hendo's salary with Salah's but I agree with the rest of your post [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 12:38]
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| Furloughed Staff on 14:36 - Apr 5 with 3225 views | RaymondJohn |
It leaves who with only 20 % of the wage to find ????
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| Furloughed Staff on 15:53 - Apr 5 with 3154 views | Dalenet |
I think you need to have the facts before you make these statements RAFC. There are some businesses that will make an immediate loss and cannot cover their costs and will need to use the scheme. There are many businesses that are profitable that could choose to use the scheme but have chosen not do so because it isn't morally right to do so. Many of our biggest businesses are continuing to pay their staff in full and have elected to stop paying wage increases, bonuses or paying dividends in order to pay their staff in full. The Treasury thinks that about 10% of employees will be furloughed so most are still being paid directly for now.
Dale are using the scheme for non playing staff as announced by DB in his interview last week. I don't know how many that covers. But we don't have the money to pay our people so I understand it. Liverpool don't have that excuse. They are profitable and can afford to pay their staff. Yes there is no match day income, but they have received huge TV money, sponsorship monies and their ticket sales were made a year ago. So you're not telling me it is right that they use a scheme just because technically they can. Interesting that Man City have said they won't leech of the public purse in the same way.
I have decided that I will patronise businesses that have done the right thing during this crisis. I won't patronise those that have take advantage. It staggers me that you try to defend it.
Finally I just heard Rooney talking shite. He needs to shut his gob and remember where he has come from. Most hard working people won't have any sympathy with him. I agree that it isn't the players fault, but the PFA should hang their head in shame. They clearly don't believe that we are all in this together. And if players earn a bit less (not all the 30% is lost as some of it is deferred) then how can they say that the reduced tax take will hit the NHS? Shockingly out of touch with the society that the rest of us live in. [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 15:54]
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| Furloughed Staff on 16:26 - Apr 5 with 3117 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Furloughed Staff on 15:53 - Apr 5 by Dalenet |
I think you need to have the facts before you make these statements RAFC. There are some businesses that will make an immediate loss and cannot cover their costs and will need to use the scheme. There are many businesses that are profitable that could choose to use the scheme but have chosen not do so because it isn't morally right to do so. Many of our biggest businesses are continuing to pay their staff in full and have elected to stop paying wage increases, bonuses or paying dividends in order to pay their staff in full. The Treasury thinks that about 10% of employees will be furloughed so most are still being paid directly for now.
Dale are using the scheme for non playing staff as announced by DB in his interview last week. I don't know how many that covers. But we don't have the money to pay our people so I understand it. Liverpool don't have that excuse. They are profitable and can afford to pay their staff. Yes there is no match day income, but they have received huge TV money, sponsorship monies and their ticket sales were made a year ago. So you're not telling me it is right that they use a scheme just because technically they can. Interesting that Man City have said they won't leech of the public purse in the same way.
I have decided that I will patronise businesses that have done the right thing during this crisis. I won't patronise those that have take advantage. It staggers me that you try to defend it.
Finally I just heard Rooney talking shite. He needs to shut his gob and remember where he has come from. Most hard working people won't have any sympathy with him. I agree that it isn't the players fault, but the PFA should hang their head in shame. They clearly don't believe that we are all in this together. And if players earn a bit less (not all the 30% is lost as some of it is deferred) then how can they say that the reduced tax take will hit the NHS? Shockingly out of touch with the society that the rest of us live in. [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 15:54]
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I’m not sure how a premier league footballer giving up some wage helps anything apart from his billionaire owner. The owners of many clubs can afford to pay everyone during the crisis, footballers are an easy target . I’ve not seen the government asking Branson to cough up a couple of his billions, or the investment bankers/hedge fund managers who are making a fortune out of this. I haven’t seen the gutter press owners helping out, mind you they are all probably cocooned on a private island somewhere.
I’m not trying to justify obscene wages btw, as DA said there should be some levelling out, and greater social responsibility going forward . Sadly probably not happening | |
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| Furloughed Staff on 20:23 - Apr 5 with 3001 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Furloughed Staff on 16:26 - Apr 5 by rochdaleriddler |
I’m not sure how a premier league footballer giving up some wage helps anything apart from his billionaire owner. The owners of many clubs can afford to pay everyone during the crisis, footballers are an easy target . I’ve not seen the government asking Branson to cough up a couple of his billions, or the investment bankers/hedge fund managers who are making a fortune out of this. I haven’t seen the gutter press owners helping out, mind you they are all probably cocooned on a private island somewhere.
I’m not trying to justify obscene wages btw, as DA said there should be some levelling out, and greater social responsibility going forward . Sadly probably not happening |
Tend to agree riddler, although investment bankers don’t make as much as you think, also 80% fail within 18m and the stress associated is illness invoking, but that’s for another day.
The problem is that unless we globally agree a wage cap, all that will happen is all our good players (by that I mean the likes of Kane, Henderson, Dele, Silva etc) will just go abroad. Personally I would not care tbh but clubs like united city will.
The tax situation will change massively in the next year, it has to in order to pay for what the government has done (forget if we agree it’s enough etc)
For what it’s worth I expect anyone earning over 100k to face a tax hike, start up or rejuvenated businesses to be helped massively, a cut in business rates and corporation tax to go up massively on multinational companies and loopholes closed - let’s hope eh!
Just in case anyone forgets, Paul Pogba is currently sat on his arse (like most of the season) earning the same as around 1250 newly trained nurses! Some footballers deserve immense credit but others are a waste of a good skin! |  |
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