| Hill on GMR about the stadium 17:59 - Aug 23 with 13071 views | 442Dale |
Would think it'll be online later, but he's not happy about the situation.
Over two weeks since it hit the press and there's been nothing further. Did any of the Dale fans who contacted the council get a reply? |  |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:09 - Aug 23 with 4864 views | isitme |
I haven't heard a thing from Allen Brett, nor did I expect a reply. Perhaps his mate who posts on here can shed some light on the issue?
When he is next up for election people need to vote him out. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:20]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:16 - Aug 23 with 4774 views | 442Dale |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:09 - Aug 23 by isitme |
I haven't heard a thing from Allen Brett, nor did I expect a reply. Perhaps his mate who posts on here can shed some light on the issue?
When he is next up for election people need to vote him out. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:20]
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Maybe send it again and ask why you haven't received a reply. | |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:19 - Aug 23 with 4751 views | isitme |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:16 - Aug 23 by 442Dale |
Maybe send it again and ask why you haven't received a reply. |
Not sure it will make any difference? I think Tazzy should stand in his ward on a single issue remit. | | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:21 - Aug 23 with 4699 views | ColDale |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:34 - Aug 23 with 4621 views | isitme |
Very damming comments there. The council should be ashamed of themselves. I could understand them not wanting to lose a profit making business but the stadium is making a loss, I do not understand what their issue is? | | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:36 - Aug 23 with 4591 views | 442Dale |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:34 - Aug 23 by isitme |
Very damming comments there. The council should be ashamed of themselves. I could understand them not wanting to lose a profit making business but the stadium is making a loss, I do not understand what their issue is? |
If you've been ignored once, definitely send it again and make a point that you'll be letting other Dale fans (voters) know if they don't respond. | |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:39 - Aug 23 with 4547 views | macro |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:34 - Aug 23 by isitme |
Very damming comments there. The council should be ashamed of themselves. I could understand them not wanting to lose a profit making business but the stadium is making a loss, I do not understand what their issue is? |
Rugby lovers not football lovers or the fact Brent is just a joke and incompetent [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 18:40]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:46 - Aug 23 with 4468 views | isitme |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:36 - Aug 23 by 442Dale |
If you've been ignored once, definitely send it again and make a point that you'll be letting other Dale fans (voters) know if they don't respond. |
The problem is that it is a safe Labour ward. He could afford to lose a couple of hundred Dale supporters votes. That is why the council in Rochdale is so bad as they do not have to work for their votes. No matter how poor they are people still vote for then as they always vote for them and their party. | | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:46 - Aug 23 with 4463 views | CamdenDale |
allen.brett@rochdale.gov.uk - I just dropped him a line. Diplomatic approach might be best. Also send a tweet to @SimonDanczuk |  | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:18 - Aug 23 with 4299 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:09 - Aug 23 by isitme |
I haven't heard a thing from Allen Brett, nor did I expect a reply. Perhaps his mate who posts on here can shed some light on the issue?
When he is next up for election people need to vote him out. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:20]
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Serious question isitme, have you emailed Brett or Brent? |  |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:20 - Aug 23 with 4269 views | isitme |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:18 - Aug 23 by TVOS1907 |
Serious question isitme, have you emailed Brett or Brent? |
Brett.
There was a typo in my previous post!
I also CCed it to Simon Danczuk, although he is probably too busy with his campaign against historic child abuse. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:23]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:23 - Aug 23 with 4237 views | RAFCBLUE |
I love Keith Hill - doesn't half remain honest and passionate with his feedback. The word he uses is "lies". Not inaction or impasse but plain, old lies.
So what has gone on? The Council and Rugby League are the other shareholders. Who are the lies from who? The Council? The Rugby League? Hill is a brave man to call these people out.
Maybe the club just need to stop being so nice and private about it and explain what financial benefit the stadium company is getting from the club and its supporters so that Rochdale AFC fans can choose freely as to whether they support the club or stadium company.
I say that because if it was me in the shoes of the Football Club, I wouldn't put another penny into the stadium company other than the legally binding amounts (like rent) that I had to and only to keep the right side of the legal line.
There is no moral high ground worth having here, the longer the stadium company has RAFC financially bailing it out the other two parties have no need to do anything.
Watch it slowly go bust and then start an administration process to recover monies that I know it owes the football club - don't ever write those off. Rochdale Council and the RFL have money and if they want Hornets to play there and have a relevant financial interest. Stiff the other creditors - see how that looks for the council, the RFL and their cronies.
Rochdale Council only need to transfer their share to the football club and then the problem goes away.
For Dale fans I can only think of a genuine no Studds use that would impact this season. Don't give them another penny and put it all into RAFC and Keith Hill's spending ability. |  |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:29 - Aug 23 with 4180 views | ColDale |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:23 - Aug 23 by RAFCBLUE |
I love Keith Hill - doesn't half remain honest and passionate with his feedback. The word he uses is "lies". Not inaction or impasse but plain, old lies.
So what has gone on? The Council and Rugby League are the other shareholders. Who are the lies from who? The Council? The Rugby League? Hill is a brave man to call these people out.
Maybe the club just need to stop being so nice and private about it and explain what financial benefit the stadium company is getting from the club and its supporters so that Rochdale AFC fans can choose freely as to whether they support the club or stadium company.
I say that because if it was me in the shoes of the Football Club, I wouldn't put another penny into the stadium company other than the legally binding amounts (like rent) that I had to and only to keep the right side of the legal line.
There is no moral high ground worth having here, the longer the stadium company has RAFC financially bailing it out the other two parties have no need to do anything.
Watch it slowly go bust and then start an administration process to recover monies that I know it owes the football club - don't ever write those off. Rochdale Council and the RFL have money and if they want Hornets to play there and have a relevant financial interest. Stiff the other creditors - see how that looks for the council, the RFL and their cronies.
Rochdale Council only need to transfer their share to the football club and then the problem goes away.
For Dale fans I can only think of a genuine no Studds use that would impact this season. Don't give them another penny and put it all into RAFC and Keith Hill's spending ability. |
agree in terms of the club needs to be more open about what is happening. If the manager can accuse the council of lies, then we need some substance behind that.
Maybe it's something for the local media such as RochdaleOnline to pick up on. Whatever the rights and wrongs, it is not appropriate for councillors to ignore such concerns.
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:30 - Aug 23 with 4172 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:20 - Aug 23 by isitme |
Brett.
There was a typo in my previous post!
I also CCed it to Simon Danczuk, although he is probably too busy with his campaign against historic child abuse. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:23]
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OK, it's out of order they haven't replied to you though. Maybe Hill's words will get their rear ends into gear. | |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:35 - Aug 23 with 4131 views | isitme |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:30 - Aug 23 by TVOS1907 |
OK, it's out of order they haven't replied to you though. Maybe Hill's words will get their rear ends into gear. |
It was weeks ago. Even if they didn't address my query they could have at least acknowledged receipt of my email. It is poor, but hey they are voted by the people to represent the people! | | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:40 - Aug 23 with 4084 views | nordenblue |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:23 - Aug 23 by RAFCBLUE |
I love Keith Hill - doesn't half remain honest and passionate with his feedback. The word he uses is "lies". Not inaction or impasse but plain, old lies.
So what has gone on? The Council and Rugby League are the other shareholders. Who are the lies from who? The Council? The Rugby League? Hill is a brave man to call these people out.
Maybe the club just need to stop being so nice and private about it and explain what financial benefit the stadium company is getting from the club and its supporters so that Rochdale AFC fans can choose freely as to whether they support the club or stadium company.
I say that because if it was me in the shoes of the Football Club, I wouldn't put another penny into the stadium company other than the legally binding amounts (like rent) that I had to and only to keep the right side of the legal line.
There is no moral high ground worth having here, the longer the stadium company has RAFC financially bailing it out the other two parties have no need to do anything.
Watch it slowly go bust and then start an administration process to recover monies that I know it owes the football club - don't ever write those off. Rochdale Council and the RFL have money and if they want Hornets to play there and have a relevant financial interest. Stiff the other creditors - see how that looks for the council, the RFL and their cronies.
Rochdale Council only need to transfer their share to the football club and then the problem goes away.
For Dale fans I can only think of a genuine no Studds use that would impact this season. Don't give them another penny and put it all into RAFC and Keith Hill's spending ability. |
Does it really surprise anyone that the council are not responding and burying their heads, they've spent the last few decades doing exactly the same while lining each others pockets |  | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:43 - Aug 23 with 4058 views | D_Alien |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:29 - Aug 23 by ColDale |
agree in terms of the club needs to be more open about what is happening. If the manager can accuse the council of lies, then we need some substance behind that.
Maybe it's something for the local media such as RochdaleOnline to pick up on. Whatever the rights and wrongs, it is not appropriate for councillors to ignore such concerns.
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I'd be surprised if Hilly's use of words haven't been sanctioned by the club.
He's possibly in a position (as an employee) to say it as it is, whereas similar accusations from a director might be problematic. This could be their way of bringing the issue into the open, or at least attempting to restore some momentum to resolving ownership of the stadium. |  |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:47 - Aug 23 with 4018 views | Birchy915 |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 18:19 - Aug 23 by isitme |
Not sure it will make any difference? I think Tazzy should stand in his ward on a single issue remit. |
I'll do it.
Should probably put my political education to some use. |  |
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 19:50 - Aug 23 with 3984 views | RAFCBLUE |
Why would RochdaleOnline give a toss about what is ostensibly a financial dispute between three parties over the future of a jointly owned asset. The fact that RAFC are one of those parties propping up a failing business isn't news given the length of time this saga has gone on in my lifetime..
What the club first needs to do is tell me the supporter where to spend my money and who it benefits.
For example:
if I have a pint in Studds, who benefits from that profit?
if my business holds an event in the main stand then who benefits?
I then have a choice as to if I support those alternatives or others which benefit RAFC. My current preference is to do nothing that supports a structure which is financially inefficient and a financial drain around the neck of the football club.
This financial battle won't take a long time to win - if the services not provided by the lease with the stadium company the football club should do that and recharge those invoices; at some point there is a threshold where the football club as a shareholder can leave the management to it and invoke its shareholder rights around running a company properly.
Play this situation like Hill plays football. Ruthlessly efficient and with no room for sentiment. Get what the club is trying to do out in the open and in a media friendly way and then leave Brett and others to answer the questions.
The Council's shares in the stadium company are worthless given the other two shareholders; why they have so much influence in an asset owning corporate vehicle is beyond me.
One Labour supporting council ward in Rochdale where Brett is elected doesn't hold the answer. If he wanted to help the town of Rochdale and its sporting endeavours then he would. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 19:51]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 22:00 - Aug 23 with 3687 views | 49thseason |
From a quick look at the numbers, Brett was elected in 2012 with 1200 votes , Lib dem Irene Davidson was second with 1046 (only 34% of eligible voters bothered to turn out)
In 2014 Neil Butterworth (Labour) was elected with 38% of 7897 eligible voters and beat Lib Dem Andy Kelly by just 13 votes.
It would seem that there are more voters opposed to Labour than actually vote for them thus if the right candidate could be found and if a couple of hundred people could be persuaded to vote who would not normally bother, it would seem entirely possible to mount a campaign to oust the next Labour candidate up for election - Martin Rogers in May 2015. Rogers won in 2011 by 158 votes ( 1081 to Lib Dem Keith Swift 923).
Of course the next election will be muddied by perhaps a UKIP candidate standing which would further split the consistent vote of the 38% of the electorate that bother to turn out consistently in Milnrow.
Unfortunately Allen Brett does not strike me as someone with a very highly developed sense of the importance of his office, he does seem however to have a highly developed sense of his own self importance and I for one would be happy to help any others who wanted to try and end the political career of a man who has had his head in the Borough trough for far too long. |  | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 22:08 - Aug 23 with 3649 views | CamdenDale |
Danczuk just favorited this tweet - "@SimonDanczuk Be nice if you could give us your take on the Spotland Stadium issue."
So what of course.
But I think we should use all social media and emailing options to push the case for our club. We are a private company but we are a local and locally owned private company and one that keeps our town's name in the national media in a positive way, (thanks for the other stuff Smith et al).
Worth emailing Brett, Danczuk, the Ob not only on the stadium ownership but also on the so far fruitless search to find the land to build a training ground too. There is loads of spare land in our economically depressed town. [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 22:14]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 22:10 - Aug 23 with 3635 views | tazzydjr |
The King is spot on Politicians Lie Lie Lie Lie surprised the Tory's & Lib's have worked so well together but saying that aren't Lib's just closet Tory's? I don't mind the Politicians who actually aren't sold their soul's to the devil, Next Year will be an interesting General Election it'll probably see Lib Dem's go bust & Tory's become the 3rd Party behind Labour & UKIP just because the people are fed up of Mr Cameron & His policy's targeting the sick, disabled and venerable in this country. Yet protecting the threat what exists, he need's to wake up and notice the war he has caused! [Post edited 23 Aug 2014 22:18]
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| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 22:19 - Aug 23 with 3584 views | 49thseason |
No wonder Paxman left Newsnight with political insight like that. | | | |
| Hill on GMR about the stadium on 22:19 - Aug 23 with 3583 views | isitme |
Tazzy you do realise that Brett is a Labour councillor? The club is also in disbute with a Labour run council?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant. Ed Balls being in charge on the economy gives me nightmares. | | | |
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