| Latest agents fees released ... 13:37 - Nov 30 with 3782 views | bosh67 |
QUEENS Park Rangers Football Club has confirmed the amount the club paid to agents for the reporting period from October 1st 2014 to September 30th 2015.
The total was £2,361,741.
The amount shown is the aggregate of all payments during the reporting period for agency activity, including payments made by the club on behalf of players.
- It still seems steep to me but on the other hand it does appear to be a lot lower than previous seasons. I suspect 2015-16 will be a lot lower again. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:10 - Nov 30 with 2906 views | Juzzie |
I'm still bemuses as to why a club has to pay a players agents fee's. The agent is commissoned by and represents the player, no? Surely the player then should pay his agent's fees?
Players don't even need agents, they can get the same service for free from the PFA. But hey, why do that when you can get an agent to screw even more money from your employers who then themselves foot the bill.
Madness. |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:22 - Nov 30 with 2872 views | oddball |
could you imagine if that money was given to grass roots football,instead of going into the pockets of these bottom feeders. |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:23 - Nov 30 with 2869 views | Northernr |
My annual moan on this. How and why the fck is it in the rules that clubs have to declare the agents fee they paid on a transfer down to the last penny but they're allowed to announce the transfer itself as an undisclosed fee? |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:31 - Nov 30 with 2838 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:22 - Nov 30 by oddball |
could you imagine if that money was given to grass roots football,instead of going into the pockets of these bottom feeders. |
and my annual moan on this. Agents are necessary and do a job that both the club and the players need. Some are bottom-feeders, many are not. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:22 - Nov 30 with 2539 views | derbyhoop |
It be down a lot but it's still £2m going out off the club to support parasites.
I'd love to be negotiating a contract and be able to tell an agent that, if you are the player's agent, he can pay you. As you're not getting a penny directly from the club. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:29 - Nov 30 with 2516 views | DylanP |
The c he transfer is going to be the same whether the club pays the agent directly or the player pays the agent directly. That is totally irrelevant. If the deal was structured so that the player payed the agent directly, then the deal would simply include that amount more for the player to cover the cost. They aren't going to suddenly forget to account for the costs of the agent.
Agents do a job. Just like a real estate agent or any other kind of middle man. They service a need. The fact that some are unscrupulous doesn't mean all are. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:38 - Nov 30 with 2491 views | TGRRRSSS |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:31 - Nov 30 by Antti_Heinola |
and my annual moan on this. Agents are necessary and do a job that both the club and the players need. Some are bottom-feeders, many are not. |
Why can't they act like a Solicitor, they charge the player for their time.
The idea of an agent isnt the problem, the problem is how they are paid. |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:51 - Nov 30 with 2453 views | Deano19766 |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:38 - Nov 30 by TGRRRSSS |
Why can't they act like a Solicitor, they charge the player for their time.
The idea of an agent isnt the problem, the problem is how they are paid. |
Because a solicitor generally isn't acting as a middle man.
The simple fact is that the player is offering a service which the club wants. The player has a representative (his agent) who brokers a deal for him. If the club wants him to sign for them then either they pay his middle man, or they pay him so he can pay his middle man. If the club insists that it will not pay his agent, then the player simply adds the sum to his own payment. The club can take it or leave it, nobody is forcing the club to pay the player more so he can pay his agent. However, the club wants the player so they pay it. It's as simple as that. Simple supply and demand. Nothing you can do to stop it.......other than making agents completely illegal (which isn't going to happen and would be unlawful in itself in any event).
For the avoidance of doubt I am not praising agents. Just being factual. [Post edited 30 Nov 2015 22:02]
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:59 - Nov 30 with 2427 views | Deano19766 |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:22 - Nov 30 by derbyhoop |
It be down a lot but it's still £2m going out off the club to support parasites.
I'd love to be negotiating a contract and be able to tell an agent that, if you are the player's agent, he can pay you. As you're not getting a penny directly from the club. |
Well then the player will say "fine, I will pay him but I now want £500k added to my signing on fee". You then either agree to it or you don't sign him.
I don't think your club would last very long as it would struggle to get 11 players together........either that or it would be in the lower or non-leagues where players don't have/need agents. Either way, it wouldn't be in the top 2 (or maybe even 3) divisions!
Yes agents are parasites, but that's just the way it is. Absolutely nothing clubs can do about it. Your position wouldn't get you anywhere other than down the pan!! Unless you're happy to go down the pan while giving every agent the middle finger as you waste their time, the players time and your time just for the craic like [Post edited 30 Nov 2015 22:04]
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 07:30 - Dec 1 with 2158 views | kingsburyR |
Gutted..............
This we a league table where we always challenged for top spot. We cant even get that right now.
Looks like we will be a mid table for paying agents also.  |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 10:39 - Dec 1 with 2024 views | timcocking |
Bloody hell, what a joke it all is. If that's lower than before, bloody hell again. How do I start becoming an agent then? |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:03 - Dec 1 with 1994 views | Mvpeter |
A benevolent agent would be a very useful thing for a lot of young players and they'd still be able to make a shtload of cash.
Maybe someone should make a scheme for them like 'investors in people' | |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:36 - Dec 1 with 1958 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 21:59 - Nov 30 by Deano19766 |
Well then the player will say "fine, I will pay him but I now want £500k added to my signing on fee". You then either agree to it or you don't sign him.
I don't think your club would last very long as it would struggle to get 11 players together........either that or it would be in the lower or non-leagues where players don't have/need agents. Either way, it wouldn't be in the top 2 (or maybe even 3) divisions!
Yes agents are parasites, but that's just the way it is. Absolutely nothing clubs can do about it. Your position wouldn't get you anywhere other than down the pan!! Unless you're happy to go down the pan while giving every agent the middle finger as you waste their time, the players time and your time just for the craic like [Post edited 30 Nov 2015 22:04]
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Agents are not parasites.
Some are - some are absolute assholes. But many aren't and footballers need agents. And clubs rely on them. No one ever calls a comedian's agent, or an actor's agent a 'parasite'. I know that's different, but it's not all that different. | |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:48 - Dec 1 with 1937 views | Juzzie |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:36 - Dec 1 by Antti_Heinola |
Agents are not parasites.
Some are - some are absolute assholes. But many aren't and footballers need agents. And clubs rely on them. No one ever calls a comedian's agent, or an actor's agent a 'parasite'. I know that's different, but it's not all that different. |
"No one ever calls a comedian's agent, or an actor's agent a 'parasite'" - who pays those agents? The comedian/actors themselves or the venue/production company? | | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:55 - Dec 1 with 1924 views | Mvpeter |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:48 - Dec 1 by Juzzie |
"No one ever calls a comedian's agent, or an actor's agent a 'parasite'" - who pays those agents? The comedian/actors themselves or the venue/production company? |
Why does it matter if QPR pay Austin 10 million and an agent half a million or just pay Austin 10.5 million and have him pay his agent? | |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:00 - Dec 1 with 1916 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:36 - Dec 1 by Antti_Heinola |
Agents are not parasites.
Some are - some are absolute assholes. But many aren't and footballers need agents. And clubs rely on them. No one ever calls a comedian's agent, or an actor's agent a 'parasite'. I know that's different, but it's not all that different. |
Here is a incredibly ignorant thing to say about a subject I know nothing about but here goes......
If you are a talented footballer (or comedian or actor) why don't you just offer your services direct? Do you really need someone to do that for you? Agree or decline the offer. It's easy.
They remind me of estate agents. It's just a self created and self perpetuating industry isn't it? Just the grease in a process that was going to happen anyway? |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:12 - Dec 1 with 1901 views | Deano19766 |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:00 - Dec 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Here is a incredibly ignorant thing to say about a subject I know nothing about but here goes......
If you are a talented footballer (or comedian or actor) why don't you just offer your services direct? Do you really need someone to do that for you? Agree or decline the offer. It's easy.
They remind me of estate agents. It's just a self created and self perpetuating industry isn't it? Just the grease in a process that was going to happen anyway? |
I guess either many players do not have the intelligence to negotiate for themselves, or they earn so much money they can't be bothered doing it themselves, or the clubs foot the bill anyway so why waste their own time doing it? The latter is most likely | | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:48 - Dec 1 with 1840 views | paulparker |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:00 - Dec 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Here is a incredibly ignorant thing to say about a subject I know nothing about but here goes......
If you are a talented footballer (or comedian or actor) why don't you just offer your services direct? Do you really need someone to do that for you? Agree or decline the offer. It's easy.
They remind me of estate agents. It's just a self created and self perpetuating industry isn't it? Just the grease in a process that was going to happen anyway? |
The same applies to recruitment consultants , they are worse than estate agents, again its a self perpetuating (good word) industry when it doesn't need to be
why companies reduce there HR departments and continue to use these bullsh*tting parasites is a mystery |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 13:15 - Dec 1 with 1804 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:00 - Dec 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Here is a incredibly ignorant thing to say about a subject I know nothing about but here goes......
If you are a talented footballer (or comedian or actor) why don't you just offer your services direct? Do you really need someone to do that for you? Agree or decline the offer. It's easy.
They remind me of estate agents. It's just a self created and self perpetuating industry isn't it? Just the grease in a process that was going to happen anyway? |
Well in entertainment there are loads of reasons.
First of all, an agent is there to do the dirty business you would rather not do, such as turn down invitations, request a better payment, or tactfully explain why even though a client might be rich, s/he can't donate to every single cause going, no matter how worthy etc (David Mitchell wrote about this the other day: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/22/david-mitchell-break-up-sho
Agents, especially theatrical agents, don't just deal with finances, they deal with finding work, negotiating all the details, from what's required to amount received, percentages etc. It's no good saying 'maybe the celeb is too thick to do it', sorry but it's a highly specialised job. Agents work very hard cultivating contacts in the area their client works in order to help them get work and then negotiate how it's done. Agents are also advisors - especially with bigger names they're going to get loads of stuff through every week that they likely have no inclination to look through, let alone time to do so, so the agent will wade through all of that (or the agent's assistant - and some stars /sports people are likely to have both an agent and an assistant, so the work is divided).
Even a footballer's agent will have far more to do than just negotiate contracts. They will also look after things like sponsorship deals, work outside football (good agents will help footballers look ahead to life after football, for example), endorsements etc. And then if a player is unhappy being in the ressies, they'll help them find a new club. The idea, Bazza, as you admit, that it's as simple as agreeing or declining an easy offer, is so far wide of the mark I don't really know where to start!
Now there are bastard agents out there who continually unsettle their client because they know every move gives them more money. But there are plenty who don't do that and who help manage their careers properly and to the best of their ability. Have a read of this by Dave Kitson on agents: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/12/the-secret-footballer-agents
The fact is, agents are an easy target for managers looking to shift blame for their own mistakes. They're an easy target for journalists who like to moan about the money in the game. And they're an easy target for clubs who are stupid and spend too much money on players, by saying it wouldn't be so bad if those dastardly agents hadn't got involved (how dare they get the best possible deal for their client?). But it's also a fact that agents are absolutely necessary in professional football and, while there are bad ones, please name me a walk of life that doesn't have egotists or money-driven assholes in its ranks?
Sorry to rant, but the annual 'aren't agents parasites?' stuff is so lazy and it's just plain wrong. | |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 13:30 - Dec 1 with 1782 views | isawqpratwcity |
If I were a professional footballer I'd definitely want to use an agent. He will know more about industry remuneration than a player will learn through his whole professional life. It also addresses the imbalance of an individual negotiating with an organisation. When a player's working life is effectively 15 years, you'd want to get the best out of it. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 13:34 - Dec 1 with 1779 views | robith |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:00 - Dec 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Here is a incredibly ignorant thing to say about a subject I know nothing about but here goes......
If you are a talented footballer (or comedian or actor) why don't you just offer your services direct? Do you really need someone to do that for you? Agree or decline the offer. It's easy.
They remind me of estate agents. It's just a self created and self perpetuating industry isn't it? Just the grease in a process that was going to happen anyway? |
A friend of mine is a stand up comic, he recently hit the level where he could get an agent, and it's totally transformed his job. Before he was spending 70% of his time dealing with venues and promoters, driving halfway across the country to find the event had been cancelled or chasing late payments.
Now his agent does all that. Not only that, she's benchmarked his pay so he gets paid a lot more for gigs because he has someone with "buying" clout behind them. He gets loads more media ops now cos he has someone who can pool multiple interests to drive interest in everyone.
As such he can now focus on being a better comedian - he's churned out two new shows this year having toured the previous one for 3 years.
So I can totally see why people in those fields, and football, use them and get a benefit .
However at the top end of the agent market you can see the effect similar to that of estate agents where one party has become too powerful and thus rinses the other due to a fear of missing out |  | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 13:50 - Dec 1 with 1760 views | headhoops |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 12:48 - Dec 1 by paulparker |
The same applies to recruitment consultants , they are worse than estate agents, again its a self perpetuating (good word) industry when it doesn't need to be
why companies reduce there HR departments and continue to use these bullsh*tting parasites is a mystery |
so a desperate out of work parent of 4 needs to find a job - they find one through a recruitment consultant and that's a bullsh*tting parasite? PP you usually talk sense but your sweeping generalisation here does you an injustice.
Like every profession and football agents are no different there are good ones and bad ones. Ergo there are good left backs and then there's Armand. |  |
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| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:01 - Dec 1 with 1741 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 13:15 - Dec 1 by Antti_Heinola |
Well in entertainment there are loads of reasons.
First of all, an agent is there to do the dirty business you would rather not do, such as turn down invitations, request a better payment, or tactfully explain why even though a client might be rich, s/he can't donate to every single cause going, no matter how worthy etc (David Mitchell wrote about this the other day: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/22/david-mitchell-break-up-sho
Agents, especially theatrical agents, don't just deal with finances, they deal with finding work, negotiating all the details, from what's required to amount received, percentages etc. It's no good saying 'maybe the celeb is too thick to do it', sorry but it's a highly specialised job. Agents work very hard cultivating contacts in the area their client works in order to help them get work and then negotiate how it's done. Agents are also advisors - especially with bigger names they're going to get loads of stuff through every week that they likely have no inclination to look through, let alone time to do so, so the agent will wade through all of that (or the agent's assistant - and some stars /sports people are likely to have both an agent and an assistant, so the work is divided).
Even a footballer's agent will have far more to do than just negotiate contracts. They will also look after things like sponsorship deals, work outside football (good agents will help footballers look ahead to life after football, for example), endorsements etc. And then if a player is unhappy being in the ressies, they'll help them find a new club. The idea, Bazza, as you admit, that it's as simple as agreeing or declining an easy offer, is so far wide of the mark I don't really know where to start!
Now there are bastard agents out there who continually unsettle their client because they know every move gives them more money. But there are plenty who don't do that and who help manage their careers properly and to the best of their ability. Have a read of this by Dave Kitson on agents: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/12/the-secret-footballer-agents
The fact is, agents are an easy target for managers looking to shift blame for their own mistakes. They're an easy target for journalists who like to moan about the money in the game. And they're an easy target for clubs who are stupid and spend too much money on players, by saying it wouldn't be so bad if those dastardly agents hadn't got involved (how dare they get the best possible deal for their client?). But it's also a fact that agents are absolutely necessary in professional football and, while there are bad ones, please name me a walk of life that doesn't have egotists or money-driven assholes in its ranks?
Sorry to rant, but the annual 'aren't agents parasites?' stuff is so lazy and it's just plain wrong. |
I've never bought the whole Agents are parasites stick. That certainly wasn't what I was saying anyway.
I suppose they do have a wide portfolio of stuff to do, and I can see why the lazy or wealthy individual would get one, but legal and technical stuff aside I don't think there is anything there I couldn't do. Especially if you'd prefer to cut all the fluff out and just play football or entertain.
Rest assured when I make it big at QPR I'll be using the PFA. | | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:02 - Dec 1 with 1740 views | Juzzie |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 11:55 - Dec 1 by Mvpeter |
Why does it matter if QPR pay Austin 10 million and an agent half a million or just pay Austin 10.5 million and have him pay his agent? |
Or the other option: we pay Austin £10m and he pays his agent? | | | |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:07 - Dec 1 with 1734 views | Deano19766 |
| Latest agents fees released ... on 14:02 - Dec 1 by Juzzie |
Or the other option: we pay Austin £10m and he pays his agent? |
Erm, perhaps because that isn't an option at all? (Austin says take it or leave it, thereby removing that option. Back to square 1 - pay it or don't sign the player). [Post edited 1 Dec 2015 14:09]
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