| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:14 - Jun 26 with 2807 views | Private_Partz |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:20 - Jun 25 by MattG |
Surely there's no value whatsoever in loaning him out for the last year of his contract. |
Perhaps the club are not looking for value and just want rid of him. The exodus of the other Spanish players would suggest this could be the case. If the West Ham 4 m is true then it could be perceived by the club as good business. I repeat my concerns of selling a potentially fit Michu to a rival though. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:18 - Jun 26 with 2802 views | Private_Partz |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 20:24 - Jun 25 by Rancid |
We don't need him, unbelievably.Thanks for that season and the lifelong memories but we've moved on since then and as difficult as it is to say but See ya.Oh and we gave you the best season you've ever had in your career and you'll see this one day and realize.Good luck and Goodbye. |
Can't agree that we don't need a player that is capable of being a top 3 striker from midfield in the prem. Especially as he still our player. If he is crocked that is a completely different matter and it could very well be the case. | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:21 - Jun 26 with 2796 views | dobjack2 |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 23:05 - Jun 25 by SwansNZ |
Dave Stewart was better than Dai Davies. |
Strongly disagree. Dave was a fans favourite, to many he became a better keeper because they hated Dai. |  | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:35 - Jun 26 with 2781 views | Private_Partz |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:21 - Jun 26 by dobjack2 |
Strongly disagree. Dave was a fans favourite, to many he became a better keeper because they hated Dai. |
I must say i preferred DS. I can't say I hate Dai. I thought he was / is a bit of a character. I also thought he has a truly awful keeper. Virtually no mobility. Dire at taking crosses and was straight legged bending at the waist to collect a ball coming at him! One of Tosh' s weak points was his choice of keepers at the time IMHO. [Post edited 26 Jun 2015 11:57]
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 11:20 - Jun 26 with 2722 views | SwansNZ |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:21 - Jun 26 by dobjack2 |
Strongly disagree. Dave was a fans favourite, to many he became a better keeper because they hated Dai. |
Dave Stewart was a fans favourite because he was a good goalkeeper, and Tosh replaced him with an inferior one. I don't hate Dai, but he was not that good. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 11:32 - Jun 26 with 2715 views | AnotherJohn |
Interesting discussion earlier in the thread about how Michu compares with the greats from our first season in the old first division. I'm old enough to remember that too. It was a fantastic season, but if I am honest I do not think the standard of opposition (without the influx of overseas stars we see today) was quite as high then. Curt, Latchford, James and Robbie all had great seasons, with the latter surprisingly being the top scorer, which was a tremendous achievement from mid-field. Notwithstanding my nostalgia for 1981-82, and what remains our best ever finish, I still think that the best goals I have seen from a Swan in one season came from Michu. | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 12:07 - Jun 26 with 2672 views | dobjack2 |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 11:20 - Jun 26 by SwansNZ |
Dave Stewart was a fans favourite because he was a good goalkeeper, and Tosh replaced him with an inferior one. I don't hate Dai, but he was not that good. |
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 12:58 - Jun 26 with 2643 views | WarwickHunt |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 22:26 - Jun 25 by lifelong |
Ivor was in his prime when he played for us, he went to Newcastle in 1958, the year that Wales reached the quarter final of the World Cup, when the then Italian manager described Ivor as being one of the best players in the world. |
Correct. I don't have his bio to hand but I think Bobby Charlton described him as the best midfielder he'd ever seen.
At the same World Cup the football journalists picked John Charles at centre-half and centre-forward in their World XI. |  | | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 13:22 - Jun 26 with 2625 views | raynor94 |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 12:58 - Jun 26 by WarwickHunt |
Correct. I don't have his bio to hand but I think Bobby Charlton described him as the best midfielder he'd ever seen.
At the same World Cup the football journalists picked John Charles at centre-half and centre-forward in their World XI. |
Ask any Newcastle fan of the age to have seen him, he was a God there |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:31 - Jun 27 with 2443 views | TNT |
When Michu was good, he was class! | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:57 - Jun 27 with 2402 views | dobjack2 |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:35 - Jun 26 by Private_Partz |
I must say i preferred DS. I can't say I hate Dai. I thought he was / is a bit of a character. I also thought he has a truly awful keeper. Virtually no mobility. Dire at taking crosses and was straight legged bending at the waist to collect a ball coming at him! One of Tosh' s weak points was his choice of keepers at the time IMHO. [Post edited 26 Jun 2015 11:57]
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Opinions are funny things as we must have watched the same games. I would have said Dai was more mobile and better at crosses than Dave. The whole point is that we can disagree without name calling.
Anyway back on Michu, no target man to me therefore would never play him as a first choice centre forward as it affected the shape of the team. However as a deep lying forward or roving attacking midfielder behind a centre forward and facing the opposition goal unplayable on his day.
Best player - not for me. Watching Curt and Robbie grow through the divisions it would be between them with curt probably shading it. But I never saw Ivor play. | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:03 - Jun 28 with 2284 views | TNT |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:57 - Jun 27 by dobjack2 |
Opinions are funny things as we must have watched the same games. I would have said Dai was more mobile and better at crosses than Dave. The whole point is that we can disagree without name calling.
Anyway back on Michu, no target man to me therefore would never play him as a first choice centre forward as it affected the shape of the team. However as a deep lying forward or roving attacking midfielder behind a centre forward and facing the opposition goal unplayable on his day.
Best player - not for me. Watching Curt and Robbie grow through the divisions it would be between them with curt probably shading it. But I never saw Ivor play. |
Curt and Robbie did it, through the divisions, for me. | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:12 - Jun 28 with 2278 views | ScoobyWho |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 21:53 - Jun 25 by SwansNZ |
Robbie James hit 15 league goals in 81-82, and I’d say his all-round game was better than Michu.
Different times of course, and to compare one with the other is often pointless. |
I was 13/14 when we were in the first division, my old man took me down many times. It's hard to judge as being that age you see things very differently. But really could anyone arrive in the area, and despatch goals in the way Michu did for us for nigh on 15 months ? Longevity yes, Robbie wins it, but for pure genius, just total class its Michu for me.
In fact he is the best I have seen in a white jersey by far. On his day he was simply magnificent. [Post edited 28 Jun 2015 1:35]
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:31 - Jun 28 with 2256 views | JackSomething |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 11:32 - Jun 26 by AnotherJohn |
Interesting discussion earlier in the thread about how Michu compares with the greats from our first season in the old first division. I'm old enough to remember that too. It was a fantastic season, but if I am honest I do not think the standard of opposition (without the influx of overseas stars we see today) was quite as high then. Curt, Latchford, James and Robbie all had great seasons, with the latter surprisingly being the top scorer, which was a tremendous achievement from mid-field. Notwithstanding my nostalgia for 1981-82, and what remains our best ever finish, I still think that the best goals I have seen from a Swan in one season came from Michu. |
I have to disagree on standard of opposition as an argument. English clubs were in the middle of a run of an incredible 6 successive European Cup final wins while we were in the First Division. There may not have been as many foreigners in the league, but we were playing against the best clubs in Europe, if not the world. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:40 - Jun 28 with 2250 views | TNT |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:12 - Jun 28 by ScoobyWho |
I was 13/14 when we were in the first division, my old man took me down many times. It's hard to judge as being that age you see things very differently. But really could anyone arrive in the area, and despatch goals in the way Michu did for us for nigh on 15 months ? Longevity yes, Robbie wins it, but for pure genius, just total class its Michu for me.
In fact he is the best I have seen in a white jersey by far. On his day he was simply magnificent. [Post edited 28 Jun 2015 1:35]
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I fell in love with the rugged Robbie James and flair of Alan Curtis in the '70's. I knew I was getting on a journey, but not quite as tumultuous as the one that transpired. | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 07:11 - Jun 28 with 2161 views | Jackanapes |
Dai Davis almost got run over back in the day, but luckily the car went through his legs. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 07:28 - Jun 28 with 2144 views | Thornburyswan |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:03 - Jun 28 by TNT |
Curt and Robbie did it, through the divisions, for me. |
I'd go with that & probably add a sprinkling of Jeremy Charles in for good measure, maybe not quite @ Curt/Robbie level but not far off for me. | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 08:49 - Jun 28 with 2097 views | Starsky |
Over 2 seasons... Michu or Latchford
Latchford for me. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 09:17 - Jun 28 with 2066 views | monmouth |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 01:31 - Jun 28 by JackSomething |
I have to disagree on standard of opposition as an argument. English clubs were in the middle of a run of an incredible 6 successive European Cup final wins while we were in the First Division. There may not have been as many foreigners in the league, but we were playing against the best clubs in Europe, if not the world. |
Didn't we beat Villa that season who went on to win the EC? Plus Lerpwl and Florist, the winners from the previous 4 years. Less money and media shite, yes. Less relative overall quality, no. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 10:47 - Jun 28 with 2006 views | AnotherJohn |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 08:49 - Jun 28 by Starsky |
Over 2 seasons... Michu or Latchford
Latchford for me. |
Many would accept this argument. Latchford was probably the best conventional centre forward we've ever had, and Michu simply cannot compete with his 231 career goals (for all clubs).
I think it is closer re time spent with us though.
Latchford
1981-82 12 league goals (6th finish)
1982-83 20 league goals (relegated)
1983-84 3 league goals (released on free in December, relegated)
Overall 35 league goals in 77 games.
Michu
2012-13 18 league goals in 34 (finished 9th)
2013-14 2 league goals in 18 (finished 12th)
Overall 20 league goals in 52 games.
Of course Michu did not have two injury-free seasons with us, but even so it may depend on which two seasons you take for Latchford. Latchford did remarkably well in his second season with us, but the memories are rather tarnished by the fact that we got relegated, and once on the slide things really went downhill fast. Even in Michu's poor second season there are a few very good memories such as his goal at Valencia. | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 16:31 - Jun 28 with 1889 views | Starsky |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 10:47 - Jun 28 by AnotherJohn |
Many would accept this argument. Latchford was probably the best conventional centre forward we've ever had, and Michu simply cannot compete with his 231 career goals (for all clubs).
I think it is closer re time spent with us though.
Latchford
1981-82 12 league goals (6th finish)
1982-83 20 league goals (relegated)
1983-84 3 league goals (released on free in December, relegated)
Overall 35 league goals in 77 games.
Michu
2012-13 18 league goals in 34 (finished 9th)
2013-14 2 league goals in 18 (finished 12th)
Overall 20 league goals in 52 games.
Of course Michu did not have two injury-free seasons with us, but even so it may depend on which two seasons you take for Latchford. Latchford did remarkably well in his second season with us, but the memories are rather tarnished by the fact that we got relegated, and once on the slide things really went downhill fast. Even in Michu's poor second season there are a few very good memories such as his goal at Valencia. |
Good post.
However, Latchford scoring 20 in an injury ravaged relegated side takes some beating | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:50 - Jun 28 with 1839 views | Hip |
anyone know if he showed up for day 1? | | | |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 18:44 - Jun 28 with 1778 views | JackSomething |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 16:31 - Jun 28 by Starsky |
Good post.
However, Latchford scoring 20 in an injury ravaged relegated side takes some beating |
Indeed. Michu's disappointing second season in what was still a strong Swansea team makes the comparison to Latchford's performances for a relegated team even more stark.
For what it's worth, I love Michu for what he's done for us and hold no ill-will towards him. I'd love to see him back playing well for us, but can see that it looks unlikely.
I don't feel he's our greatest ever though. If you offered me peak Bony or peak Michu now, I'd take Wilf everytime. | |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 18:53 - Jun 28 with 1762 views | Dr_Winston |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 18:44 - Jun 28 by JackSomething |
Indeed. Michu's disappointing second season in what was still a strong Swansea team makes the comparison to Latchford's performances for a relegated team even more stark.
For what it's worth, I love Michu for what he's done for us and hold no ill-will towards him. I'd love to see him back playing well for us, but can see that it looks unlikely.
I don't feel he's our greatest ever though. If you offered me peak Bony or peak Michu now, I'd take Wilf everytime. |
Peak Bony upfront. Peak Michu roaming behind him.
Could have been football porn. |  |
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| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 19:00 - Jun 28 with 1742 views | forkbeard |
| Michu - Bridges have been burned on 17:50 - Jun 28 by Hip |
anyone know if he showed up for day 1? |
Didn't see him in a single photo so I assume no. |  | | |
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