| Labour 07:21 - May 6 with 4099 views | builthjack |
A lot more popular than we think. It shows what people think of the Tory's I guess. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Labour on 11:56 - May 6 with 1099 views | CountyJim |
Looks like Labour will have to do a deal with the one Lib dem AM |  | | |
| Labour on 11:58 - May 6 with 1090 views | Highjack |
| Labour on 11:56 - May 6 by CountyJim |
Looks like Labour will have to do a deal with the one Lib dem AM |
Yeah they're going to offer him his own parking space. That should do it. |  |
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| Labour on 12:21 - May 6 with 1054 views | ymaohyd |
| Labour on 11:11 - May 6 by exiledclaseboy |
These results are too complex to claim one party had a great night.
Labour had an excellent night in Wales, a disaster in Scotland and did fairly well in England given that they were defending the 2012 position when they did very well. Certainly not the Corbyn led disaster many predicted and are still trying to paint it as. It's not an unpopular mid term Tory government either. It's only a year old and has been consistently ahead in the polls.
Tories did OK and very very well to get second in Scotland. They'll be disappointed with the Wales results though.
Leanne Wood got the result of the night in Wales but Plaid will be dismayed at their overall lack of progress.
The sNP will be disappointed to lose their majority but it's stil a triumph for them.
Kudos to a proper voting system for finally allowing UKIP to get the representation their vote warrants.
The LibDems are now a total irrelevance across the UK, sadly. |
Nice, balanced and fair post.
A rarerity on here!
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| Labour on 12:22 - May 6 with 1048 views | Lohengrin |
| Labour on 11:58 - May 6 by Highjack |
Yeah they're going to offer him his own parking space. That should do it. |
Fair play.   |  |
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| Labour on 12:36 - May 6 with 1034 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Labour on 11:56 - May 6 by CountyJim |
Looks like Labour will have to do a deal with the one Lib dem AM |
I doubt that Kirsty Williams would be that stupid. I certainly hope not. |  |
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| Labour on 12:56 - May 6 with 1020 views | nice_to_michu |
| Labour on 12:36 - May 6 by Joe_bradshaw |
I doubt that Kirsty Williams would be that stupid. I certainly hope not. |
Why would that be stupid? |  | | |
| Labour on 13:06 - May 6 with 1010 views | jack_lord |
| Labour on 12:36 - May 6 by Joe_bradshaw |
I doubt that Kirsty Williams would be that stupid. I certainly hope not. |
I voted for Kirsty as she is a hard working AM. All my dealings with her have been positive.
I voted for Plaid on the other list.
Labour did better than I expected so obviously most of them are not Swans fans. |  |
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| Labour on 13:10 - May 6 with 1003 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Labour on 13:06 - May 6 by jack_lord |
I voted for Kirsty as she is a hard working AM. All my dealings with her have been positive.
I voted for Plaid on the other list.
Labour did better than I expected so obviously most of them are not Swans fans. |
As did I but I hope she's learned from Nick Clegg's experience.
A formal coalition with Labour? I sincerely hope not. Judge them on each vote and vote accordingly.
She could, of course, be offered a post such as education which may be tempting. ... | |
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| Labour on 13:41 - May 6 with 964 views | dickythorpe |
Kirsty is all script and no substance (plus a few dodgy teeth) at least Leanne sounds genuine.
Gower is red again.
I think its only UKIP who have done well from what I can see.
What was the overall turnout? |  | | |
| Labour on 14:31 - May 6 with 918 views | max936 |
| Labour on 13:41 - May 6 by dickythorpe |
Kirsty is all script and no substance (plus a few dodgy teeth) at least Leanne sounds genuine.
Gower is red again.
I think its only UKIP who have done well from what I can see.
What was the overall turnout? |
It's no wonder people turn to Drinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |  |
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| Labour on 15:24 - May 6 with 902 views | Uxbridge |
| Labour on 11:11 - May 6 by exiledclaseboy |
These results are too complex to claim one party had a great night.
Labour had an excellent night in Wales, a disaster in Scotland and did fairly well in England given that they were defending the 2012 position when they did very well. Certainly not the Corbyn led disaster many predicted and are still trying to paint it as. It's not an unpopular mid term Tory government either. It's only a year old and has been consistently ahead in the polls.
Tories did OK and very very well to get second in Scotland. They'll be disappointed with the Wales results though.
Leanne Wood got the result of the night in Wales but Plaid will be dismayed at their overall lack of progress.
The sNP will be disappointed to lose their majority but it's stil a triumph for them.
Kudos to a proper voting system for finally allowing UKIP to get the representation their vote warrants.
The LibDems are now a total irrelevance across the UK, sadly. |
Yup.
I'd still say it was a poor night for Labour, although I'd put that squarely at the feet of a parliamentary party who refuse to accept the mandate from their members and an outright hostile media. |  |
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| Labour on 16:07 - May 6 with 858 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour on 15:24 - May 6 by Uxbridge |
Yup.
I'd still say it was a poor night for Labour, although I'd put that squarely at the feet of a parliamentary party who refuse to accept the mandate from their members and an outright hostile media. |
Totally agree with your first point.
I am no great fan of Corbyn and am the very opposite of a fan of some of the people around him, but they had an open and fair process to elect a leader and can't stand the result. Well, tough,
Support the leaders of the party, leave, or launch an open challenge - don't just bleat and hope someone else does the dirty work. It's laughable. |  | | |
| Labour on 16:33 - May 6 with 835 views | nice_to_michu |
| Labour on 16:07 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Totally agree with your first point.
I am no great fan of Corbyn and am the very opposite of a fan of some of the people around him, but they had an open and fair process to elect a leader and can't stand the result. Well, tough,
Support the leaders of the party, leave, or launch an open challenge - don't just bleat and hope someone else does the dirty work. It's laughable. |
I agree with you.
I'm also not particularly in favor of Corbyn, but I prefer a united party to a divided one. He was democratically elected. | | | |
| Labour on 16:49 - May 6 with 820 views | Lohengrin |
| Labour on 16:33 - May 6 by nice_to_michu |
I agree with you.
I'm also not particularly in favor of Corbyn, but I prefer a united party to a divided one. He was democratically elected. |
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| Labour on 16:51 - May 6 with 817 views | LeonisGod |
| Labour on 09:01 - May 6 by ymaohyd |
Brilliant post.
Delighted for Leanne Wood and for anyone who supported for Plaid, proud of you all.
For those who voted Labour....What the fu ck! Why, why, why???!!!!
I just dont get it, are you utterly devoid of creative thinking?
Vote Labour, absolutely if, Plaid, the Tories, whoever had let you down decade after decade, particularly our part of Wales.
Why not give Plaid a go, see if they can make a difference, if they dont then go back to Labour...but FFS! |
Agree with all that. And why on earth are UKIP making the biggest gains in Wales? Given that Wales is one of, if not the, biggest beneficiary of EU funds in the UK? And if you look at UKIP's other trump card on immigration, we have one of the lowest immigrant populations in the UK. So what's going on: is it a function of demographics, ignorance or what? It makes no sense whatsoever. |  | | |
| Labour on 16:54 - May 6 with 750 views | nice_to_michu |
| Labour on 16:49 - May 6 by Lohengrin |
Ken said to tell you so was Hitler. |
Haha Ken Livingstone, oh dear | | | |
| Labour on 16:58 - May 6 with 745 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour on 16:51 - May 6 by LeonisGod |
Agree with all that. And why on earth are UKIP making the biggest gains in Wales? Given that Wales is one of, if not the, biggest beneficiary of EU funds in the UK? And if you look at UKIP's other trump card on immigration, we have one of the lowest immigrant populations in the UK. So what's going on: is it a function of demographics, ignorance or what? It makes no sense whatsoever. |
At the risk of a backlash, they are making strides because Plaid isn't doing its job.
Despite Leanne Wood's personal victory (which was I thought far less unexpected than being made out) the party as a whole is just not getting its message across, and its message is confused in the first place.
With a better leader and set up, Plaid should be the automatic vote in Wales for a disaffected voter of any political persuasion who wants change just as the SNP are in Scotland. Wood's personal victory will mask huge deficiencies and will, in my opinion, stop the party from achieving what it needs to in order to become a real force. I'm sure that will prove unpopular, but so be it. | | | |
| Labour on 17:03 - May 6 with 739 views | Lohengrin |
| Labour on 16:58 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
At the risk of a backlash, they are making strides because Plaid isn't doing its job.
Despite Leanne Wood's personal victory (which was I thought far less unexpected than being made out) the party as a whole is just not getting its message across, and its message is confused in the first place.
With a better leader and set up, Plaid should be the automatic vote in Wales for a disaffected voter of any political persuasion who wants change just as the SNP are in Scotland. Wood's personal victory will mask huge deficiencies and will, in my opinion, stop the party from achieving what it needs to in order to become a real force. I'm sure that will prove unpopular, but so be it. |
That's about the size of it, aye. | |
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| Labour on 17:05 - May 6 with 735 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour on 17:03 - May 6 by Lohengrin |
That's about the size of it, aye. |
God it worries me when you agree with me politically Loh ;-) | | | |
| Labour on 17:18 - May 6 with 721 views | LeonisGod |
| Labour on 16:58 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
At the risk of a backlash, they are making strides because Plaid isn't doing its job.
Despite Leanne Wood's personal victory (which was I thought far less unexpected than being made out) the party as a whole is just not getting its message across, and its message is confused in the first place.
With a better leader and set up, Plaid should be the automatic vote in Wales for a disaffected voter of any political persuasion who wants change just as the SNP are in Scotland. Wood's personal victory will mask huge deficiencies and will, in my opinion, stop the party from achieving what it needs to in order to become a real force. I'm sure that will prove unpopular, but so be it. |
I agree that Plaid should be doing more. Ukip seem to have gained at Labour's expense though: which again makes no sense given where each party is coming from.
I blame the Daily Mail. | | | |
| Labour on 17:25 - May 6 with 707 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour on 17:18 - May 6 by LeonisGod |
I agree that Plaid should be doing more. Ukip seem to have gained at Labour's expense though: which again makes no sense given where each party is coming from.
I blame the Daily Mail. |
Well it can only be for one reason can't it, let's be honest. | | | |
| Labour on 17:28 - May 6 with 698 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Labour on 16:58 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
At the risk of a backlash, they are making strides because Plaid isn't doing its job.
Despite Leanne Wood's personal victory (which was I thought far less unexpected than being made out) the party as a whole is just not getting its message across, and its message is confused in the first place.
With a better leader and set up, Plaid should be the automatic vote in Wales for a disaffected voter of any political persuasion who wants change just as the SNP are in Scotland. Wood's personal victory will mask huge deficiencies and will, in my opinion, stop the party from achieving what it needs to in order to become a real force. I'm sure that will prove unpopular, but so be it. |
Great last paragraph, nail hit firmly on the head. |  | | |
| Labour on 18:02 - May 6 with 665 views | Lohengrin |
| Labour on 17:05 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
God it worries me when you agree with me politically Loh ;-) |
Ha! We've both said on here, on numerous occasions, that Plaid should amount to far more than it does, especially in the current climate and with the advent of Devolution.
Don't worry though, Lisa. I'm sure I'll let you down again in the not too distant future. | |
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| Labour on 18:05 - May 6 with 663 views | LeonisGod |
| Labour on 17:25 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Well it can only be for one reason can't it, let's be honest. |
Will Plaid ever replicate what the SNP have done though? I don't think that's ever likely to happen or a reasonable benchmark to judge them against. The people in Wales are divided too much against themselves* to ever rally round a common political cause.
*north v south, little England Pembrokes & Gowers against the riff raf, everyone against Cardiff, etc., etc... | | | |
| Labour on 18:24 - May 6 with 649 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour on 18:05 - May 6 by LeonisGod |
Will Plaid ever replicate what the SNP have done though? I don't think that's ever likely to happen or a reasonable benchmark to judge them against. The people in Wales are divided too much against themselves* to ever rally round a common political cause.
*north v south, little England Pembrokes & Gowers against the riff raf, everyone against Cardiff, etc., etc... |
No, not entirely as we don't have the numbers who want independence.
But as a unifying voice of a country, its political soul if you like, then yes they can.
Scotland is also very divided it's easy to forget. Glasgow and Edinburgh historically don't like each other, the Highlanders don't like the Lowlanders, the Islanders don't like anyone, Aberdeen is a different country in many ways.
The SNP have a similar background to Plaid - used to be a lot more right of centre than now (they propped up Maggie lest younger people forget). But even though they've moved left, the policies aren't particularly anti big business or achievement (people like Mhairi Black are not the norm). They talk in some ways about a socialist agenda but there's no sign of it in practice (will be interested to see their tax policies from now on). They certainly don't talk that way when it comes to attracting business to Scotland.
Plaid won't unify anyone while they try to adopt this 'lefter than thou' stance. Fine being a voice for social justice, but social justice doesn't mean increasing handouts. It means building a vibrant but fair economy that doesn't leave people behind but also doesn't hold them back. Harmonise up not down. Encourage big business to Wales not moan that all big businesses are the devil incarnate.
As a small example, I read a few comments on here (I think it was wingstandwood) talking about posh gits and the opera house in Cardiff. I've never read a more anti Plaid comment in my life and yet he/she was urging people to vote Plaid. Plaid should be aspirational for Wales and every Welsh resident (irrespective of whether or not they were born in Wales or England Trampie) and particularly every Welsh child. They shouldn't be bitter on Wales' behalf. | | | |
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