| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... 21:51 - Nov 18 with 1509 views | Kilkennyjack |
....to have say about Brexit and how the exit can be triggered. Might have some sense at last. Still no plan from Mrs May of course. 😎 |  |
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| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 17:19 - Nov 19 with 394 views | AnotherJohn |
| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:13 - Nov 19 by Highjack |
It's not mob rule, referenda offers a solution to those big constitutional issues that cannot be resolved by representative democracy with General Elections. The referendums we have had:
1) AV referendum. It's not right for Parliament to choose what system they are to be voted in on as an alternative system may benefit or hinder certain parties. Solution: Thwow it to the people.
2) Scotland independence. The SNP as a national seperatist party has gained massive support and won power up in Scotland but it is impossible for them to form a Government in Westminster and legislate for independence themselves and none of the other parties would even entertain the idea. Solution: Thwow it to the people.
3) Brexit. There has been a massive swell of Euroscepticism in the last few years culminating in UKIP winning the European election and gaining over 4 million votes in a general election. But like the SNP in (2) they will never be able to have enough influence within Westminster. All the other parties are officially pro-EU so this question can never be answered with representitive democracy. Solution: Thwow it to the people. |
Yes, that is the way Dicey - one of the classical legal scholars - saw things. Interestingly he was quoted by the High Court in the Miller case for his writing on Parliamentary sovereignty.
‘It is probable, if not certain, that any one who realises the extent to which parliamentary government itself is losing credit from its too close connection with the increasing power of the party machine, will hold with myself that the referendum judiciously used may, at any rate in the case of England, by checking the omnipotence of partisanship, revive faith in that parliamentary government which has been the glory of English constitutional history’ (Law of the Constitution, 1915). [Post edited 19 Nov 2016 17:22]
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| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 11:21 - Nov 20 with 350 views | Highjack |
| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 17:19 - Nov 19 by AnotherJohn |
Yes, that is the way Dicey - one of the classical legal scholars - saw things. Interestingly he was quoted by the High Court in the Miller case for his writing on Parliamentary sovereignty.
‘It is probable, if not certain, that any one who realises the extent to which parliamentary government itself is losing credit from its too close connection with the increasing power of the party machine, will hold with myself that the referendum judiciously used may, at any rate in the case of England, by checking the omnipotence of partisanship, revive faith in that parliamentary government which has been the glory of English constitutional history’ (Law of the Constitution, 1915). [Post edited 19 Nov 2016 17:22]
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Yes the only people who don't like direct democracy are those who end up on the losing side, but there's definitely a place for it for certain constitutional issues.
Can't see the government allowing any more referendums for the foreseeable future though. |  |
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| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 12:23 - Nov 20 with 339 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Welsh Govt and Scottish Govt .... on 11:21 - Nov 20 by Highjack |
Yes the only people who don't like direct democracy are those who end up on the losing side, but there's definitely a place for it for certain constitutional issues.
Can't see the government allowing any more referendums for the foreseeable future though. |
So you'd also be against direct democracy if you'd ended up on the losing side of any of the votes you highlighted then? Or are you above all that nonsense?
The only reason that we had the Brexit referendum was to lance an internal Tory party boil. If the Tories had been united with one voice on the EU the referendum wouldn't have happened, regardless of how the general public felt. |  |
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