| Tactics? 23:45 - Nov 19 with 2651 views | Davillin |
Three minutes to go, and your team is up by one goal. Should you make a substitution?
Answer: At best, only when you absolutely must, as with a serious injury. In some circumstances, not even then. Have you never seen a situation where an injured player stays on for those final seconds, making whatever contribution he can, even to the point of a limping patrol in a small area of the pitch.
Otherwise, why put on a cold player who is not close to being in sync with the speed of play [especially when the opponent is working at break-neck speed to equalilze] or the style and pace of the opposing players he will be matching up with, and which will be most dangerous to himself?
Especially when the player you're taking off has been doing a creditable job for 87 minutes.
Bush League again.
My immediate reaction when I saw Ki on for Fulton on 87? "There go three points." I was so pistoff that I couldn't even be disappointed when that materialized.
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| Tactics? on 23:48 - Nov 19 with 2289 views | NeathJack |
If a sub had to be made at that point (and I'll give clueless Bob the benefit of the doubt here and assume it did), then VDH was so clearly the man who should have come on. |  | | |
| Tactics? on 00:02 - Nov 20 with 2240 views | Loyal |
| Tactics? on 23:48 - Nov 19 by NeathJack |
If a sub had to be made at that point (and I'll give clueless Bob the benefit of the doubt here and assume it did), then VDH was so clearly the man who should have come on. |
Yes, we did it last season when hanging on for three points with Bartley.
I genuinely think they wouldn't have a Scored if VDH was on the pitch instead of Ki. |  |
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| Tactics? on 00:10 - Nov 20 with 2218 views | CambJack |
It's easy to say in hindsight, had we not conceded there'd be the argument that bringing ki on was the right choice. if someone else came on we could've conceded two goals.Let's be honest, a lot of what happens in a football game is down to luck.
I'm more concerned at our apparent lack of ability to make things go our way the other end of the pitch. If the best we can hope for is nicking a win from a penalty we don't really deserve to win. [Post edited 20 Nov 2016 0:16]
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| Tactics? on 00:10 - Nov 20 with 2217 views | lifelong |
I totally agree, you just knew when Ki came on they would score. Please see my thread below 'Substitutions"... it was a dreadful decision.... I'm still fecking angry. |  | | |
| Tactics? on 00:15 - Nov 20 with 2204 views | lifelong |
| Tactics? on 00:10 - Nov 20 by CambJack |
It's easy to say in hindsight, had we not conceded there'd be the argument that bringing ki on was the right choice. if someone else came on we could've conceded two goals.Let's be honest, a lot of what happens in a football game is down to luck.
I'm more concerned at our apparent lack of ability to make things go our way the other end of the pitch. If the best we can hope for is nicking a win from a penalty we don't really deserve to win. [Post edited 20 Nov 2016 0:16]
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The thing is, we were 1-0 up with a few minutes to go, Fulton was knackered and needed to be subbed, just shore up the defence and bring on VDH.
The only time you bring on Ki is when we're 3-0 up and you want someone to pass the ball sideways. | | | |
| Tactics? on 00:19 - Nov 20 with 2194 views | CambJack |
I guess bobs logic was to take pressure away from our defence, thing is anything we do isn't working right now because the players aren't good enough | | | |
| Tactics? on 00:22 - Nov 20 with 2185 views | Drizzy |
| Tactics? on 00:10 - Nov 20 by lifelong |
I totally agree, you just knew when Ki came on they would score. Please see my thread below 'Substitutions"... it was a dreadful decision.... I'm still fecking angry. |
Oh come off it. |  |
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| Tactics? on 00:28 - Nov 20 with 2162 views | lifelong |
| Tactics? on 00:22 - Nov 20 by Drizzy |
Oh come off it. |
Come off what?... we are in a serious relegation battle, I wouldn't have him in the squad let alone to come on and try and protect a slender lead. | | | |
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| Tactics? on 00:31 - Nov 20 with 2152 views | Drizzy |
| Tactics? on 00:28 - Nov 20 by lifelong |
Come off what?... we are in a serious relegation battle, I wouldn't have him in the squad let alone to come on and try and protect a slender lead. |
For all of his faults to say you wouldn't have him in the squad is a bit ridiculous. You didn't "just know" that as soon as he'd come on they'd equalise. Revisionist b*llocks and you know it. You're angry. We're all angry. | |
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| Tactics? on 00:37 - Nov 20 with 2139 views | SoberBaker |
"Three minutes to go, and your team is up by one goal. Should you make a substitution"
Absolutely. Especially when the home team are throwing the kitchen sink at you. You get the player coming off to go the far end of the pitch and trudge his way off to take the sting out.
But we didn't did we? Not only did he 'rush' a sub on to the pitch - that sub was none other than Mr Ki Sung Yeung 
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| Tactics? on 06:05 - Nov 20 with 2041 views | jack247 |
1-0 up, away from home, under the cosh and against a better team. Subs left on the bench and a young player who has worked himself into the ground and is blowing out his arse. Has any manager in the history of football not brought a sub on in those circumstances?
The issue was bringing the wrong player on. I'd have certainly brought VDH on then, if not sooner and asked Gylfi to step even further back, just using the two widemen (I know they had bad games) as outlets. He just decided to go for a like for like swap. It didn't work out, but I don't blame him for that and I'm one of his harshest critics. |  | | |
| Tactics? on 06:15 - Nov 20 with 2036 views | Chief |
Similar tothe Wales v Saes game in the Euros, I was screaming for Cookie to bring on The limited but grizzled Collins for the last 2 minutes. At least it would have been a bigger mass to block the goalmouth. He didn't use the final sub.
Bradley did roll the dice, but the last player id bring on away at a hardened prem while trying to defend a lead is that fairy Ki. And yes again he did faak all apart mince around for a few minutes |  |
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| Tactics? on 07:48 - Nov 20 with 1950 views | Kilkennyjack |
I like Amat and he is one of very few players that another Prem league side might want.
But his clearance header was as poor as Ki's for the goal. |  |
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| Tactics? on 08:22 - Nov 20 with 1866 views | SgorioFruit |
| Tactics? on 00:28 - Nov 20 by lifelong |
Come off what?... we are in a serious relegation battle, I wouldn't have him in the squad let alone to come on and try and protect a slender lead. |
Ki should not even be allowed to wear a piece of swans merchandise let alone be in the squad. |  |
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| Tactics? on 08:34 - Nov 20 with 1835 views | dameedna |
I would not have brought VDH on, we would have been pressed further back.
I might have brought Baston on for Siggy.
I think Fulton had had enough and it was Cork and Amat who were closest to the ball
Ki had nothing to do with the goal unless you count his initial header that was picked up on the corner of the area.
If anything we could have got a second.
Recently Ki has been running hard off the ball and is a good squad player.
He was the obvious choice from the bench other than Baston. |  | | |
| Tactics? on 08:40 - Nov 20 with 1807 views | Dewi1jack |
I fully understand Booboo needed to sub Jay, who fair play to the lad, had run himself out to a standstill.
There's always a risk when you bring on "cold" players hence why so many managers won't bring on a sub when they're defending a set piece.
Trouble is, he brought Ki on.
A player who appears sh1tscared to make a tackle, let alone lob his body on the line.
1-0 up. Away from home.
FFS.
It's not rocket science Booboo.
Bring on a defender and play one one of the defence as a defensive midfielder.
The Hoorn would have been ideal.
Either him or Jordi could have played in front of the back four.
Both can carry the ball forward to relieve pressure. Both can fuggin tackle. Both can head the ball.
Both of them will stick their body in front of the ball/ player.
Hopefully Booboo learns from his mistake and never does that again.
Face it boys and girls.
We're stuck with Booboo whilst Coco and the Marx brothers are running the show
Even when Jenkins fuggsoff (probably quite quickly) we're still stuck with the other comedians until the proper money men take action. |  |
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| Tactics? on 08:47 - Nov 20 with 1784 views | jack247 |
| Tactics? on 08:34 - Nov 20 by dameedna |
I would not have brought VDH on, we would have been pressed further back.
I might have brought Baston on for Siggy.
I think Fulton had had enough and it was Cork and Amat who were closest to the ball
Ki had nothing to do with the goal unless you count his initial header that was picked up on the corner of the area.
If anything we could have got a second.
Recently Ki has been running hard off the ball and is a good squad player.
He was the obvious choice from the bench other than Baston. |
Ki and Amat both should have cleared in the lead up to Colemans goal. There were worse errors than that in the game. The sort of thing that would be instantly forgotten had the header not gone in. | | | |
| Tactics? on 08:52 - Nov 20 with 1773 views | ItchySphincter |
| Tactics? on 00:31 - Nov 20 by Drizzy |
For all of his faults to say you wouldn't have him in the squad is a bit ridiculous. You didn't "just know" that as soon as he'd come on they'd equalise. Revisionist b*llocks and you know it. You're angry. We're all angry. |
Yeah, but you actually believe that Ki is one of our best players.  |  |
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| Tactics? on 09:29 - Nov 20 with 1687 views | MrSwerve |
Guidolin was slated for bringing defenders on late in the game, just saying. |  |
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| Tactics? on 10:11 - Nov 20 with 1593 views | Jango |
| Tactics? on 09:29 - Nov 20 by MrSwerve |
Guidolin was slated for bringing defenders on late in the game, just saying. |
Any chance to have a cheap shot really. A pathetic thread full stop. | | | |
| Tactics? on 10:24 - Nov 20 with 1554 views | magicdaps10 |
What would i do if 1-0 up with little time left on the clock!?
Well it is obvious that the opposition will be going for it and will have their full backs pushed on
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I would put a holder infront of the back four and play two speedsters out wide with no central striker. It is a case of playing for territory at this point and get the wingers to chase down and when in possession aim for the corners.
We started yestreday
FABIANSKI
NAUGHTON-FEDE-AMAT-TAYLOR
FULTON-CORK
ROUTLEDGE-FER-BARROW
SIGURDSSON
I would have finished it
FABIANSKI
NAUGHTON-AMAT-FERNANDEZ-TAYLOR
CORK-VAN DER HOORN
DYER-FER-SIGGY-ROUTLEDGE
I know it is easy to be wise after the even but it baffles me why when under pressure coaches dont see the outlet ball down the flanks for wingers to chase down. It often results in a throwing, if against you then you can reset and eats into the seconds and if for you does the exact same but eats into even more seconds. As a defender you dont even have to look for the pass, if you have two wingers as the outlet then you know all you have to do is knowck it high upfield and out wide and you have a chance.
Van Der Hoorn sits infront of the back four, Cork creates the cover infront of him and you get Siggy and Fer to offer the protection to the full backs.
Their centre halves will have more time on the ball granted but the main ball for them is long, straight and high towards the front men. You just hope VDH with is height wins the aerial ball first. |  |
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| Tactics? on 10:31 - Nov 20 with 1538 views | magicdaps10 |
| Tactics? on 06:05 - Nov 20 by jack247 |
1-0 up, away from home, under the cosh and against a better team. Subs left on the bench and a young player who has worked himself into the ground and is blowing out his arse. Has any manager in the history of football not brought a sub on in those circumstances?
The issue was bringing the wrong player on. I'd have certainly brought VDH on then, if not sooner and asked Gylfi to step even further back, just using the two widemen (I know they had bad games) as outlets. He just decided to go for a like for like swap. It didn't work out, but I don't blame him for that and I'm one of his harshest critics. |
Didnt read you post when i originally posted but totally agree with your wingers as outlets.
Most teams will push the full backs on and just have the two centre halves back, there is a situation to exploit the full back areas under these circumstances.
Sometimes i think modern football can over complicate things, head for the corners and relieve the pressure. | |
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| Tactics? on 10:36 - Nov 20 with 1518 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I agree, never Ki and definitely VDH, he clears as well as any player. | | | |
| Tactics? on 10:39 - Nov 20 with 1508 views | magicdaps10 |
| Tactics? on 10:36 - Nov 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
I agree, never Ki and definitely VDH, he clears as well as any player. |
At that point in the game then you need someone who can get stuck in and be physical........................does Ki tick those boxes!? | |
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| Tactics? on 10:49 - Nov 20 with 1468 views | jack247 |
| Tactics? on 10:39 - Nov 20 by magicdaps10 |
At that point in the game then you need someone who can get stuck in and be physical........................does Ki tick those boxes!? |
It was the type of mistake I'd expect from a manager out of his depth. Obviously magnified by the fact we conceded, and that was hardly solely down to Ki. Credit where it's due, there were a lot of positives from yesterday, he surpassed my expectations by a long way, despite the late goal. | | | |
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