| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:10 - Apr 1 with 1635 views | Humpty |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:04 - Apr 1 by Highjack |
What you drinking tonight Hump? |
Stella.
You? |  | |  |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:12 - Apr 1 with 1633 views | Highjack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:10 - Apr 1 by Humpty |
Stella.
You? |
Hobgoblin of course. |  |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:15 - Apr 1 with 1632 views | Humpty |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 01:12 - Apr 1 by Highjack |
Hobgoblin of course. |
I have no idea what it is but I hpoe you enjoy. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 20:49 - Apr 1 with 1589 views | Shaky |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 09:49 - Mar 30 by Humpty |
We knew that anyway. Not really sure what you're point is.
The point I'm making is that Nunes isn't a very good choice to be investigating Comrade Trump and has been acting very strangely for a man supposed to be investigating someone.
Such as popping over his house to tell him what they knew so far, but refusing to tell his Democratic colleagues on the panel he was heading.
Spin it all you like Bluey. It f*cking stinks. And if it f*cking stinks it's because there's something they don't want anyone to know. |
Not sure whether this is a seasonal story, but if it is to be believed George Takei is going to be running against him.
http://the-daily.buzz/a/george-takei-has-bombshell-announcement-and-washington-i
Beam that fcuker up! |  |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:23 - Apr 3 with 1542 views | trampie |
Trump is now said by some to be supporting the Russian policy of attacking ISIS as opposed to obsessing over regime change, this now leaves the English somewhat isolated. |  |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:42 - Apr 3 with 1533 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:23 - Apr 3 by trampie |
Trump is now said by some to be supporting the Russian policy of attacking ISIS as opposed to obsessing over regime change, this now leaves the English somewhat isolated. |
1. No surpruse Trump is supportive of Russian policy
2. The coalition against Isis and Assad is more than just America and Britain
3. I think you meant "British", not "English" |  | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:58 - Apr 3 with 1514 views | trampie |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:42 - Apr 3 by nice_to_michu |
1. No surpruse Trump is supportive of Russian policy
2. The coalition against Isis and Assad is more than just America and Britain
3. I think you meant "British", not "English" |
Oh no I most certainly did mean English. | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 19:16 - Apr 3 with 1502 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:58 - Apr 3 by trampie |
Oh no I most certainly did mean English. |
Ah ok, let me correct you then.
It's British. | | | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 19:23 - Apr 3 with 1496 views | ExiledJack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 00:36 - Apr 1 by Humpty |
Care to elaborate? |
Here's a fairly decent rundown on how things are progressing
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-name
The semantic argument still holds that Obama didn't directly order a wiretap of Trump Tower, however it appears that he received surveillance reports for months that contained politically sensitive communications between Trump, his team and foreign officials. If this goes back before the election then it is ethically very concerning given that he campaigned for Hillary.
It is likely that there will be prosecutions for the unlawful unmasking of identities, and the leaking of information from these reports to the press.
As for the Russia angle, there's nothing there. There are three separate investigations ongoing and so far no evidence had been found. At this point it's been months of hot air, fan fiction and political blockades. |  | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 19:32 - Apr 3 with 1486 views | ExiledJack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 18:23 - Apr 3 by trampie |
Trump is now said by some to be supporting the Russian policy of attacking ISIS as opposed to obsessing over regime change, this now leaves the English somewhat isolated. |
Trump has been arguing in favour of this direction for at least a year, but it does seem now that it has been made official and the related departments are on board. Britain and the rest of the coalition will happily fall in line, Israel being the obvious exception. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 20:17 - Apr 3 with 1459 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 19:23 - Apr 3 by ExiledJack |
Here's a fairly decent rundown on how things are progressing
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-name
The semantic argument still holds that Obama didn't directly order a wiretap of Trump Tower, however it appears that he received surveillance reports for months that contained politically sensitive communications between Trump, his team and foreign officials. If this goes back before the election then it is ethically very concerning given that he campaigned for Hillary.
It is likely that there will be prosecutions for the unlawful unmasking of identities, and the leaking of information from these reports to the press.
As for the Russia angle, there's nothing there. There are three separate investigations ongoing and so far no evidence had been found. At this point it's been months of hot air, fan fiction and political blockades. |
No evidence has been found from the investigations? Unless you are part of the intelligence agencies yourself, I'm curious to know how you would know that?
The FBI confirmed they are investigating it but would not give any information about it as it the investigation hasn't concluded yet. It's fairly straightforward.
The House intelligence committee recently cancelled plans for numerous key witnesses to testify, and the former head of the National Security Agency just asked for immunity before testifying. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 20:51 - Apr 3 with 1440 views | ExiledJack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 20:17 - Apr 3 by nice_to_michu |
No evidence has been found from the investigations? Unless you are part of the intelligence agencies yourself, I'm curious to know how you would know that?
The FBI confirmed they are investigating it but would not give any information about it as it the investigation hasn't concluded yet. It's fairly straightforward.
The House intelligence committee recently cancelled plans for numerous key witnesses to testify, and the former head of the National Security Agency just asked for immunity before testifying. |
So far no evidence has been found. There's the slimmest of possibilities that the investigators have found something and are keeping it held back for now, but in the context of the information in the public domain there's nothing to suggest this.
"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has said he saw no evidence of any collusion, up until the time he left his post in January."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39324587
Bear in mind that not only the Russians but also Trump and his team were picked up in surveillance over this period.
You're correct on the FBI point, and it could take a while for them to conclude their investigation due to the wide remit of assessing Russia's attempts to influence the election. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, even more so given Hillary's hawkish stance against Putin and commitment to a no-fly zone in Syria.
The House intelligence committee cancellations were due to the "unmasking" evidence coming to light. Mike Flynn is just following legal counsel, and possibly protecting against any risks he may face due to previous lobbying for Turkey and the content of his testimony (in relation to the leaks). Again, remember that he was being recorded in his meetings/calls with foreign officials and no evidence of wrongdoing was found. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 21:12 - Apr 3 with 1422 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 20:51 - Apr 3 by ExiledJack |
So far no evidence has been found. There's the slimmest of possibilities that the investigators have found something and are keeping it held back for now, but in the context of the information in the public domain there's nothing to suggest this.
"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has said he saw no evidence of any collusion, up until the time he left his post in January."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39324587
Bear in mind that not only the Russians but also Trump and his team were picked up in surveillance over this period.
You're correct on the FBI point, and it could take a while for them to conclude their investigation due to the wide remit of assessing Russia's attempts to influence the election. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, even more so given Hillary's hawkish stance against Putin and commitment to a no-fly zone in Syria.
The House intelligence committee cancellations were due to the "unmasking" evidence coming to light. Mike Flynn is just following legal counsel, and possibly protecting against any risks he may face due to previous lobbying for Turkey and the content of his testimony (in relation to the leaks). Again, remember that he was being recorded in his meetings/calls with foreign officials and no evidence of wrongdoing was found. |
What do you mean no evidence of wrongdoing was found? He was found to be discussing the sanctions Russia was facing with the Russian ambassador, then "lied" about it.
As for having no evidence "so far" I'll make the same point again, none of the investigations have been concluded so I'm not sure how or why it would be any different. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 21:42 - Apr 3 with 1400 views | ExiledJack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 21:12 - Apr 3 by nice_to_michu |
What do you mean no evidence of wrongdoing was found? He was found to be discussing the sanctions Russia was facing with the Russian ambassador, then "lied" about it.
As for having no evidence "so far" I'll make the same point again, none of the investigations have been concluded so I'm not sure how or why it would be any different. |
Just wanted to give a friendly heads-up to anyone who is hanging their hats on this being the undoing of Trump, that we are being fed a remarkably partisan viewpoint by the BBC and the likes.
Tangible evidence pertaining to surveillance has been confirmed that will likely lead to arrests of senior officials in the Obama administration. That is not currently the case for the Russia investigation.
The investigations into Trump are by and large a farce designed to discredit him, delay appointments and tie him up in knots. James Clapper (Obama appointee) was privy to all of the surveillance and concluded that there was no evidence. We're now just going through the motions.
Why would a 70 year old billionaire with no criminal convictions all of a sudden decide to risk everything and team up with those famous election swingers "the Russians"? When all he ever needed to do to gain their support was to take a less frosty stance than Clinton and commit to following their approach in Syria...it's diplomacy 101 | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 00:04 - Apr 4 with 1378 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 21:42 - Apr 3 by ExiledJack |
Just wanted to give a friendly heads-up to anyone who is hanging their hats on this being the undoing of Trump, that we are being fed a remarkably partisan viewpoint by the BBC and the likes.
Tangible evidence pertaining to surveillance has been confirmed that will likely lead to arrests of senior officials in the Obama administration. That is not currently the case for the Russia investigation.
The investigations into Trump are by and large a farce designed to discredit him, delay appointments and tie him up in knots. James Clapper (Obama appointee) was privy to all of the surveillance and concluded that there was no evidence. We're now just going through the motions.
Why would a 70 year old billionaire with no criminal convictions all of a sudden decide to risk everything and team up with those famous election swingers "the Russians"? When all he ever needed to do to gain their support was to take a less frosty stance than Clinton and commit to following their approach in Syria...it's diplomacy 101 |
Ok, to be fair you came in to this discussion suggesting that the Trump-Russia link is factually false and it turns out you are just stating an opinion. That's fine, we are all entitled to opinions, but it is just an opinion unless you know of the intelligence committees findings before they are released. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 02:33 - Apr 4 with 1354 views | Humpty |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 21:42 - Apr 3 by ExiledJack |
Just wanted to give a friendly heads-up to anyone who is hanging their hats on this being the undoing of Trump, that we are being fed a remarkably partisan viewpoint by the BBC and the likes.
Tangible evidence pertaining to surveillance has been confirmed that will likely lead to arrests of senior officials in the Obama administration. That is not currently the case for the Russia investigation.
The investigations into Trump are by and large a farce designed to discredit him, delay appointments and tie him up in knots. James Clapper (Obama appointee) was privy to all of the surveillance and concluded that there was no evidence. We're now just going through the motions.
Why would a 70 year old billionaire with no criminal convictions all of a sudden decide to risk everything and team up with those famous election swingers "the Russians"? When all he ever needed to do to gain their support was to take a less frosty stance than Clinton and commit to following their approach in Syria...it's diplomacy 101 |
Thanks for the heads up Mr Spicer. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 08:16 - Apr 4 with 1322 views | Shaky |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 19:23 - Apr 3 by ExiledJack |
Here's a fairly decent rundown on how things are progressing
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-name
The semantic argument still holds that Obama didn't directly order a wiretap of Trump Tower, however it appears that he received surveillance reports for months that contained politically sensitive communications between Trump, his team and foreign officials. If this goes back before the election then it is ethically very concerning given that he campaigned for Hillary.
It is likely that there will be prosecutions for the unlawful unmasking of identities, and the leaking of information from these reports to the press.
As for the Russia angle, there's nothing there. There are three separate investigations ongoing and so far no evidence had been found. At this point it's been months of hot air, fan fiction and political blockades. |
That's right, there is no evidence whatsoever linking the Trumpsphere to Russia.
That's why the FBI have just moved to set up a special counterintelligence division at its Washington HQ. No doubt that is partially an attempt to stem leaks to Trump surrogates like former mayor and NY US Attorney Rudy Giuliani coming out of the New York field office, and outright disinformation being spread by the likes of former FBI assistant director and right-wing nut job James Kallstron on Fox.
FBI plans to create special unit to co-ordinate Russia probe
https://www.ft.com/content/40498d94-155b-11e7-80f4-13e067d5072c
Separately Trump associate Carter Page has just been found to have passed documents to a Russian intelligence agent that is known to have attempted to recruit him as an agent.
That is all that is known at this stage, but but it is all FAKE news. As one A US intelligence officer put it investigators will question Page eventually, but it is not a high priority as “There’s so many people more relevant”. See, nothing there.
A Former Trump Adviser Met With A Russian Spy
Carter Page told BuzzFeed News that he had been in contact with at least one Russian spy working undercover out of Moscow’s UN office in 2013.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-s | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 09:27 - Apr 4 with 1302 views | blueytheblue |
Buzzfeed?
"Ten things you didn't know about Shaky changing obsession from Trust to Trump... plus a cute picture of a cute cat..." | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 09:46 - Apr 4 with 1284 views | Shaky |
**Yap, yap, look at me, look at meeee, yap, yap, yap** | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:02 - Apr 4 with 1260 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 09:27 - Apr 4 by blueytheblue |
Buzzfeed?
"Ten things you didn't know about Shaky changing obsession from Trust to Trump... plus a cute picture of a cute cat..." |
That's the problem when people cite Buzzfeed and similar outlets (e.g. Huffington Post).
Because of some of the utter nonsense they write about on those news outlets sometimes, genuine journalism gets lost amongst the rubbish and people focus on the messenger rather than the message. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:09 - Apr 4 with 1253 views | Lohengrin |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:02 - Apr 4 by nice_to_michu |
That's the problem when people cite Buzzfeed and similar outlets (e.g. Huffington Post).
Because of some of the utter nonsense they write about on those news outlets sometimes, genuine journalism gets lost amongst the rubbish and people focus on the messenger rather than the message. |
That's a bit like being miffed because the weather report was good in the Sunday Sport but everybody overlooked it.
If claims are to be credible the sources you cite have to be too. |  |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:20 - Apr 4 with 1245 views | Shaky |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:09 - Apr 4 by Lohengrin |
That's a bit like being miffed because the weather report was good in the Sunday Sport but everybody overlooked it.
If claims are to be credible the sources you cite have to be too. |
Ya think Buzzfeed faked the court papers charging the Russians with being foreign agents, and the confirmation from Carter Page that he is one of the masked identies mentioned therein?
Wow. You've totally lost it, haven't you. | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 12:33 - Apr 4 with 1209 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:09 - Apr 4 by Lohengrin |
That's a bit like being miffed because the weather report was good in the Sunday Sport but everybody overlooked it.
If claims are to be credible the sources you cite have to be too. |
Right, but that was my point, wasn't it?
I agree that sources have to be credible for them to be taken seriously. | | | |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 13:02 - Apr 4 with 1194 views | Lohengrin |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:20 - Apr 4 by Shaky |
Ya think Buzzfeed faked the court papers charging the Russians with being foreign agents, and the confirmation from Carter Page that he is one of the masked identies mentioned therein?
Wow. You've totally lost it, haven't you. |
"The firm describes itself as a "social news and entertainment company"
You think? | |
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| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 13:13 - Apr 4 with 1180 views | ExiledJack |
| Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' on 11:20 - Apr 4 by Shaky |
Ya think Buzzfeed faked the court papers charging the Russians with being foreign agents, and the confirmation from Carter Page that he is one of the masked identies mentioned therein?
Wow. You've totally lost it, haven't you. |
None of that really means anything for Trump though does it?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-associate-carter-page-reveale
The NBC article adds a little more, but the Buzzfeed article does tell us all we need to know. Carter unwittingly passed documents to a Russian spy in 2013, who was charged in 2015. Carter was not unknown to the FBI and assisted with that investigation, with no suspicion of wrongdoing.
He was briefly considered for a role as an adviser to Trump in 2016, but Trump decided against it possibly due to the potential association with Russian matters.
The highlight for me - "The revelation of Page’s connection to Russian intelligence – which occurred more than three years before his association with Trump – is the most clearly documented contact to date between Russian intelligence and someone in Trump’s orbit."
It's a stretch. | | | |
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