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Corbyn on Terrorism on 11:14 - May 26 by blueytheblue
What would those better security measures be?
You raise the point "we are seen to be". The key is "seen". Perception isn't reality - Daesh recruiters care not for truth after all. Tales of atrocities that never happened are, I'm sure, being used. I'm also sure Daesh recruiters don't bother informing those they indoctrinate that they are equally adept at killing liberal Muslims too.
Long term, a better foreign policy would aid in not creating the next Daesh, I'd fully agree on that.
Labour's problem is they've no real policy on how they can address the direct issue right now - and that is formed by Corbyn and Andrew Murray both being integral in "Stop the War".
Daesh can only be defeated by liberating those regions they've enslaved.
These groups wouldn't exist if we and other countries hadn't intervened and changed their regimes
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 11:34 - May 26 with 874 views
Corbyn on Terrorism on 11:14 - May 26 by blueytheblue
What would those better security measures be?
You raise the point "we are seen to be". The key is "seen". Perception isn't reality - Daesh recruiters care not for truth after all. Tales of atrocities that never happened are, I'm sure, being used. I'm also sure Daesh recruiters don't bother informing those they indoctrinate that they are equally adept at killing liberal Muslims too.
Long term, a better foreign policy would aid in not creating the next Daesh, I'd fully agree on that.
Labour's problem is they've no real policy on how they can address the direct issue right now - and that is formed by Corbyn and Andrew Murray both being integral in "Stop the War".
Daesh can only be defeated by liberating those regions they've enslaved.
Like we did in Iraq, then Afghan, then Libya and now Syria. Deluded mun
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 11:36 - May 26 with 870 views
These groups wouldn't exist if we and other countries hadn't intervened and changed their regimes
Well, that's freaking great.
Unless you're claiming Corbyns policy will be to create a time machine, what precisely would Labour do to combat and defeat Daesh?
And yes, these groups would exist. It's stupid to claim otherwise, sects of Islam have been kicking the sh*t out of each other since Islam came into being... what, you think the establishment of a caliphate in the region embracing Sharia is some magical new desire that only was thought of after Iraq?
The reality is that Islam is still an immature religion. It's not gone through reformation stages, it's still not liberalised for the most part. That's the biggest underlying cause.
Greater minds than Jez have tried to solve the Middle East and failed .Why...because it's religion and Sects of a belief that are perpetuated from the mother s breast .
It's either them or us and right now "we" are worrying about what we ve done to them over the years .
I doubt they are that bothered about our human rights or whether we go to hell or not
Corbyn on Terrorism on 11:36 - May 26 by blueytheblue
Well, that's freaking great.
Unless you're claiming Corbyns policy will be to create a time machine, what precisely would Labour do to combat and defeat Daesh?
And yes, these groups would exist. It's stupid to claim otherwise, sects of Islam have been kicking the sh*t out of each other since Islam came into being... what, you think the establishment of a caliphate in the region embracing Sharia is some magical new desire that only was thought of after Iraq?
The reality is that Islam is still an immature religion. It's not gone through reformation stages, it's still not liberalised for the most part. That's the biggest underlying cause.
It's the focus on us that's the key. He's talking about home security.
But yep, the cat's out of the bag now so i'm not sure what he could do about it.
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:10 - May 26 with 822 views
Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:05 - May 26 by LeonWasGod
It's the focus on us that's the key. He's talking about home security.
But yep, the cat's out of the bag now so i'm not sure what he could do about it.
Home security right now isn't helped by what he's saying though - longer term possibly. There's just no concept of dealing with the immediate problem - that's deliberate because Corbyn knows full well military action is needed.
That goes against his "Stop the War" politics.
The fact many are unwilling to address is the elephant in the room. We're not dealing with a logical force you can reason with, have summit meetings with... where the enemy are playing dirty, taking the moral high road has absolutely zero effect. "Keep doing what we do otherwise the terrorists win". Every terrorist attack is a win for Daesh.
Nothing should be out of bounds in terms of discussion for a solution to immediate problems. People may hate the concept of internship where there's not enough direct evidence to secure a conviction but it cannot be dismissed out of hand if the desire is to protect people's safety. If interning this suicide bomber had prevented this individual attack, then I'd say you'd have to be nuts to claim one person's human rights outweigh the lives of 22.
Corbyn does have an answer, increase the police force numbers so that we have a neighborhood police force that works for the communities and that people who suspect something can air their concerns and speak in confidence. Currently, ringing a 24 hour hotline and being put on hold for 30 mins isn't really doing it.
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:37 - May 26 with 790 views
That ignores the fact this is more an intelligence issue. This ignores the fact that by and large reporting within the community is minimal at best.
This also ignores the fact Corbyn over the last 34 years has voted against or abstained over ever single piece of anti-terrorism legislation presented to the HoC. Every single one. I suppose all must have been so incredibly poorly thought through he couldn't bring himself to find a single one to agree with.
Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:21 - May 26 by Batterseajack
Corbyn does have an answer, increase the police force numbers so that we have a neighborhood police force that works for the communities and that people who suspect something can air their concerns and speak in confidence. Currently, ringing a 24 hour hotline and being put on hold for 30 mins isn't really doing it.
Of course thats the answer. Where's all the money going to come from for everything he talks about though. If he does everything he says over the next few years (including no cap on immigration) the country will be crippled surely.
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:21 - May 26 by Batterseajack
Corbyn does have an answer, increase the police force numbers so that we have a neighborhood police force that works for the communities and that people who suspect something can air their concerns and speak in confidence. Currently, ringing a 24 hour hotline and being put on hold for 30 mins isn't really doing it.
Increasing the numbers isn't necessarily as important as increasing the quality and the trust the public have with the police force. Trust is at an all time low following all the Jimmy savile/hillsborough cover ups etc. To build trust police officers need to be known in their communities by their faces and their names, not by their numbers and they should be 100% accountable for their behaviour, any misdemeanours should not be swept under the carpet.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:11 - May 26 by blueytheblue
Home security right now isn't helped by what he's saying though - longer term possibly. There's just no concept of dealing with the immediate problem - that's deliberate because Corbyn knows full well military action is needed.
That goes against his "Stop the War" politics.
The fact many are unwilling to address is the elephant in the room. We're not dealing with a logical force you can reason with, have summit meetings with... where the enemy are playing dirty, taking the moral high road has absolutely zero effect. "Keep doing what we do otherwise the terrorists win". Every terrorist attack is a win for Daesh.
Nothing should be out of bounds in terms of discussion for a solution to immediate problems. People may hate the concept of internship where there's not enough direct evidence to secure a conviction but it cannot be dismissed out of hand if the desire is to protect people's safety. If interning this suicide bomber had prevented this individual attack, then I'd say you'd have to be nuts to claim one person's human rights outweigh the lives of 22.
Incredibly hard to sort this out through military action though. It seems there's a spiders web of influential people across multiple countries. They don't even need to hold territory that can easily be bombed, as the Libyan links to the Manchester event shows. And every time we bomb, another group springs up.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure 'more bombs/guns' won't cut it.
As for the elephant in the room, I'm not sure what Diane Abbott has to do with it
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:54 - May 26 with 758 views
Corbyn on Terrorism on 12:45 - May 26 by LeonWasGod
Incredibly hard to sort this out through military action though. It seems there's a spiders web of influential people across multiple countries. They don't even need to hold territory that can easily be bombed, as the Libyan links to the Manchester event shows. And every time we bomb, another group springs up.
I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure 'more bombs/guns' won't cut it.
As for the elephant in the room, I'm not sure what Diane Abbott has to do with it
Long term, needs to be more that pure military action absolutely.
Short term, it's clear Daesh need to be destroyed. Not for the sake of the West but for the slaughter of Muslims - especially those of a liberal bent.
Of course thats the answer. Where's all the money going to come from for everything he talks about though. If he does everything he says over the next few years (including no cap on immigration) the country will be crippled surely.
Corbyn on Terrorism on 10:36 - May 26 by blueytheblue
No mirrors in your house, Chris?
All that head slapping has given him a brain injury Chris. He can't debate sensibly and always end a conversation with his classic gambit of "But Corbyn..."
All that head slapping has given him a brain injury Chris. He can't debate sensibly and always end a conversation with his classic gambit of "But Corbyn..."
This is isn't the first time Manchester has been bombed, Paul, as you know. Listen to Corbyn. Play it back a few times and let it sink in.
We reaffirm support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement. The overwhelming priority as active members of the British labour movement is to fight for and secure an unconditional British withdrawal.....It certainly appears to be the case that the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it”.
The Labour Briefing. December, 1984
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Corbyn on Terrorism on 13:37 - May 26 with 710 views
Corbyn on Terrorism on 13:30 - May 26 by Lohengrin
This is isn't the first time Manchester has been bombed, Paul, as you know. Listen to Corbyn. Play it back a few times and let it sink in.
We reaffirm support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement. The overwhelming priority as active members of the British labour movement is to fight for and secure an unconditional British withdrawal.....It certainly appears to be the case that the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it”.
The Labour Briefing. December, 1984
I played it back a few times what am I missing?
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I might be wrong but you're missing Corbyn spectacularly refusing to condemn IRA actions in the Manchester bombing, hanging up when being repeatedly asked.
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