| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 06:27 - May 28 with 1585 views | Meraki |
So if we were going to qualify for Europe would you want us to lose games so we drop out?
F*ck off isit. |  | |  |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 07:25 - May 28 with 1577 views | E20Jack |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 19:43 - May 27 by dobjack2 |
At the moment we don't have the depth of squad to qualify.
Strengthen then we might qualify, but if we don't qualify keep on strengthening on top of what we have. Don't strengthen and we will go the other way. [Post edited 28 May 2017 0:30]
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Thats not how it works.
We signed Bony AFTER we had qualified for Europe. You dont strengthen before, you strengthen when you qualify. |  |
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 08:56 - May 28 with 1536 views | E20Jack |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 08:26 - May 28 by MyFinalHeaven |
"You have to spend fairly big to get near that top 6-8 and for what return?"
This isn't true at all. Southampton have finished in the top 8 for 4 seasons in a row now and they have the 4th lowest net spend in the last 5 years in the Premier League.
"and for what return?" Is this a rhetorical question? Besides the prospect of playing against top sides across the continent and all the publicity and attention that comes from it, the chance to make big money is also available. In 2010 when Fulham reached the final of the Europa League they made just as much revenue from the EL prize money and broadcasting revenue as they did from the EPL TV money. Being in Europe also automatically makes us a much more attractive destination to sign for. [Post edited 28 May 2017 8:36]
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In fairness, they have still spent the 7th highest amount.
There is a direct correlation between amount spent and success, doesn't work in all cases but there clearly is a trend. In order....
Man City
Man United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Tottenham
Arsenal
All of the above have spent the most and make up the top 6.
Southampton
Everton
West Ham
Leicester
The above are the 7th-10th spenders and you would expect them to be there or there abouts challenging for Europa spot.
Palace
Sunderland
Swansea
Hull
WBA
Watford
Stoke
Bournemouth
Middlesbrough
Burnley
the above make up the bottom half, again pretty much what you would expect.
We need to be continually investing in the playing side in order to keep moving forward. We have the 12th highest spend over the last 5 years, and over those 5 years, our average finish is.... 12th.
What that table is showing is that we don't seem to be adding anything to our transfer kitty no matter how much income increases. Our player purchase budget seems to be driven by our player sales amount - which is a recipe for disaster.
We should comfortably have £20m per season to dedicate to the squad if we weren't paying dividends, paying managers off that were given long contracts, paying millions upon millions for academy and training facilities (although needed, but they are paid for now). If we sell a player then that should give us even more - it shouldn't then become the budget.
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 09:29 - May 28 with 1515 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 08:56 - May 28 by E20Jack |
In fairness, they have still spent the 7th highest amount.
There is a direct correlation between amount spent and success, doesn't work in all cases but there clearly is a trend. In order....
Man City
Man United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Tottenham
Arsenal
All of the above have spent the most and make up the top 6.
Southampton
Everton
West Ham
Leicester
The above are the 7th-10th spenders and you would expect them to be there or there abouts challenging for Europa spot.
Palace
Sunderland
Swansea
Hull
WBA
Watford
Stoke
Bournemouth
Middlesbrough
Burnley
the above make up the bottom half, again pretty much what you would expect.
We need to be continually investing in the playing side in order to keep moving forward. We have the 12th highest spend over the last 5 years, and over those 5 years, our average finish is.... 12th.
What that table is showing is that we don't seem to be adding anything to our transfer kitty no matter how much income increases. Our player purchase budget seems to be driven by our player sales amount - which is a recipe for disaster.
We should comfortably have £20m per season to dedicate to the squad if we weren't paying dividends, paying managers off that were given long contracts, paying millions upon millions for academy and training facilities (although needed, but they are paid for now). If we sell a player then that should give us even more - it shouldn't then become the budget.
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"In fairness, they have still spent the 7th highest amount."
That's because they have sold the 4th highest amount. They had to get in replacements for all the great players they sold these past few years, like Mane, Pelle, Wanyama, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lovren, Chambers, Clyne, Lambert, and Fonte. It's quite a list.
Southampton have shown brilliantly how you can consistently qualify for Europe and finish in the top 8 even despite being a selling club and having a low net spend. |  |
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 09:34 - May 28 with 1508 views | E20Jack |
They have just sold well at inflated UK prices. They have sold £61m worth of players through their academy and sold the likes of Lovren and Schneiderlin for mega money, all to fellow PL sides.
They have still invested the 7th highest amount into their side.
Similar thing to Spurs, the fact they have only spent £1m net in 5 years doesn't actually tell the true tale that they have in fact spent £300m+ on the side. As you can see from my examples in the table, total spend on the side regardless of sales shows a direct correlation to success far more than net spend figure.
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 11:02 - May 28 with 1477 views | dobjack2 |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 07:25 - May 28 by E20Jack |
Thats not how it works.
We signed Bony AFTER we had qualified for Europe. You dont strengthen before, you strengthen when you qualify. |
It is how it works. If you don't strengthen to start with you don't qualify.
I agree that after qualifying you may be able to attract better players and move on from there, unfortunately after our European run finished our recruitment did not kick on. | | | |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 11:07 - May 28 with 1475 views | Uxbridge |
Europe was great. If we can't aspire to more times like that then what's the point of being in this league? |  |
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 11:18 - May 28 with 1464 views | E20Jack |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 11:02 - May 28 by dobjack2 |
It is how it works. If you don't strengthen to start with you don't qualify.
I agree that after qualifying you may be able to attract better players and move on from there, unfortunately after our European run finished our recruitment did not kick on. |
No it really isn't I assure you. Clubs cannot afford to have a squad full of depth and quality regardless of competition. They do what they can and cut their cloth accordingly, usually having a strong 11 and then squad players (we do far less than we should in that department, granted).
When we do then qualify (be that by cup or league) THEN we spend, offsetting the cost against the extra income generated by it. If you do that before you have qualified then the club runs at a deficit. [Post edited 28 May 2017 11:21]
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| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 12:16 - May 28 with 1446 views | dobjack2 |
| Could have been in Europa League next season. Dodged a bullet? on 11:18 - May 28 by E20Jack |
No it really isn't I assure you. Clubs cannot afford to have a squad full of depth and quality regardless of competition. They do what they can and cut their cloth accordingly, usually having a strong 11 and then squad players (we do far less than we should in that department, granted).
When we do then qualify (be that by cup or league) THEN we spend, offsetting the cost against the extra income generated by it. If you do that before you have qualified then the club runs at a deficit. [Post edited 28 May 2017 11:21]
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I don't think we are too different - our match day squad is not strong enough that is why we need to strengthen- but within our means of course- by intelligent recruitment. Something that has been lacking.
Then if we qualify we are in a position to make a go of Europe and strengthen from a good starting point with increased revenue. | | | |
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