| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 11:00 - Feb 9 with 1068 views | Gowerjack |
Amazing how all you right wing types rail against Moslem child grooming gangs.. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 11:08 - Feb 9 with 1058 views | Gowerjack |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 11:11 - Feb 9 with 1048 views | PozuelosSideys |
I woul prefer her to stay where she is permenantly. Cant see how any of this is the problem of Bangladesh though. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:36 - Feb 9 with 954 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:54 - Feb 9 by controversial_jack |
Where would they be deported to? What country would grant entry to a load of convicted terrorists? |
How about dropping them off in ISIS territory. They’re fighting on behalf of the caliphate, perhaps we should drop them in Raqqa |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:39 - Feb 9 with 950 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:36 - Feb 9 by Brynmill_Jack |
How about dropping them off in ISIS territory. They’re fighting on behalf of the caliphate, perhaps we should drop them in Raqqa |
Isis don’t hold Raqqa. Haven’t done for ages. There is no Isis territory.
We should bring her back and deal with her as I’m confused as to how she can possibly be the responsibility of any other country. |  | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:41 - Feb 9 with 948 views | exiledclaseboy |
Daft thing is, the government knows full well that it’ll lose this case eventually and that she’ll be back at some point. They have to let the legal process play out so they can say they were forced into it. Politics see. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:55 - Feb 9 with 932 views | Flashberryjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:41 - Feb 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Daft thing is, the government knows full well that it’ll lose this case eventually and that she’ll be back at some point. They have to let the legal process play out so they can say they were forced into it. Politics see. |
That may well be the case, but every extra day she spends in the sh*tehole where she is now is a bonus.
And of course it gives her a little extra time to repent for being part of one of most vile groups of terrorists in existence, to her cost and not ours. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 20:40 - Feb 9 with 871 views | Highjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 18:36 - Feb 9 by Brynmill_Jack |
How about dropping them off in ISIS territory. They’re fighting on behalf of the caliphate, perhaps we should drop them in Raqqa |
Yep. Without a parachute. Perhaps their God will catch them. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 23:30 - Feb 9 with 832 views | controversial_jack |
She was only 15 at the time, still a child. | | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 23:36 - Feb 9 with 828 views | Highjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 23:30 - Feb 9 by controversial_jack |
She was only 15 at the time, still a child. |
And about nine years too old to marry the prophet. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 08:21 - Feb 10 with 764 views | controversial_jack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 23:36 - Feb 9 by Highjack |
And about nine years too old to marry the prophet. |
You know the age of the prophet, congrats , because nobody does.The closest is she was 19 not 9, but let's not let facts get in the way of bigotry | | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 09:32 - Feb 10 with 732 views | Drizzy |
Given that so many posters on this thread are concerned with Islamic extremism, you have to wonder why they direct their ire towards a 16-year-old girl rather than their own country's role in fuelling extremism.
Hundreds of millions of pounds in weapons, fighter planes and training handed to one of the most extreme fundamentalist countries in the world yet barely a peep from those on here. Instead, we get the thinly veiled Islamophobic posts about a teenager, from people whose only true concern is the rising number of Bangladeshi people in their inner city. [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 10:05]
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:06 - Feb 10 with 710 views | Highjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 09:32 - Feb 10 by Drizzy |
Given that so many posters on this thread are concerned with Islamic extremism, you have to wonder why they direct their ire towards a 16-year-old girl rather than their own country's role in fuelling extremism.
Hundreds of millions of pounds in weapons, fighter planes and training handed to one of the most extreme fundamentalist countries in the world yet barely a peep from those on here. Instead, we get the thinly veiled Islamophobic posts about a teenager, from people whose only true concern is the rising number of Bangladeshi people in their inner city. [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 10:05]
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Is it entirely unreasonable to “direct ire” at an individual who joined and actively supported one of the most brutal and violent organisations of the 21st century? An organisation that captured, tortured and killed countless people? Charity workers and genuine humanitarians forced onto their knees to have their head sawn off with a rusty knife, knowing that their wives and families would see the video? An individual who has expressed no remorse or regret, is obviously still enchanted with the ideology that drove her there and and only wants to come back because the brown stuff has hit the swirly thing and she isn’t protected by cowards with Kalashnikov’s anymore.
I’ve often directed ire at Blair and the carnage he and his lot caused. I’ve also directed ire at the fact we often sell munitions to the worst people in the world. But fortunately there’s more than enough ire in the world to also be directed at scum like this woman. The good thing about ire is it can be directed in several different directions. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:09 - Feb 10 with 706 views | BytholWyn |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 09:32 - Feb 10 by Drizzy |
Given that so many posters on this thread are concerned with Islamic extremism, you have to wonder why they direct their ire towards a 16-year-old girl rather than their own country's role in fuelling extremism.
Hundreds of millions of pounds in weapons, fighter planes and training handed to one of the most extreme fundamentalist countries in the world yet barely a peep from those on here. Instead, we get the thinly veiled Islamophobic posts about a teenager, from people whose only true concern is the rising number of Bangladeshi people in their inner city. [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 10:05]
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Not much chance of getting most posters on here to understand cause and effect and such notions as responsibility.
Take the idea that there is a problem with Islam for a start. Al-Qaeda and ISIS are very much the offspring of a narrow sect of the Sunni tradition - Waahabism, which is of course inextricably linked to the house of Saud. But to talk of Waahabist terrorism would be rather revealing of the West's complicity in creating this Frankenstein monster wouldn't it?
Like Dr Frankenstein, in Shelley's novel, we need to take responsibility for our bit of the mess we've helped create. This also applies to British citizens, who we cannot reasonably foist on other countries, just because it's popular to do so. |  | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:24 - Feb 10 with 691 views | Drizzy |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:09 - Feb 10 by BytholWyn |
Not much chance of getting most posters on here to understand cause and effect and such notions as responsibility.
Take the idea that there is a problem with Islam for a start. Al-Qaeda and ISIS are very much the offspring of a narrow sect of the Sunni tradition - Waahabism, which is of course inextricably linked to the house of Saud. But to talk of Waahabist terrorism would be rather revealing of the West's complicity in creating this Frankenstein monster wouldn't it?
Like Dr Frankenstein, in Shelley's novel, we need to take responsibility for our bit of the mess we've helped create. This also applies to British citizens, who we cannot reasonably foist on other countries, just because it's popular to do so. |
Excellent post. The Saudis are central to the funding and fuelling of Wahhabism around the world. The fact Saudi Arabia is an "ally" yet we are "at war" with islamic extremism is a gaping contradiction, which this forum's most vocal critics of Islam are blissfully unaware of. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:31 - Feb 10 with 687 views | Drizzy |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:06 - Feb 10 by Highjack |
Is it entirely unreasonable to “direct ire” at an individual who joined and actively supported one of the most brutal and violent organisations of the 21st century? An organisation that captured, tortured and killed countless people? Charity workers and genuine humanitarians forced onto their knees to have their head sawn off with a rusty knife, knowing that their wives and families would see the video? An individual who has expressed no remorse or regret, is obviously still enchanted with the ideology that drove her there and and only wants to come back because the brown stuff has hit the swirly thing and she isn’t protected by cowards with Kalashnikov’s anymore.
I’ve often directed ire at Blair and the carnage he and his lot caused. I’ve also directed ire at the fact we often sell munitions to the worst people in the world. But fortunately there’s more than enough ire in the world to also be directed at scum like this woman. The good thing about ire is it can be directed in several different directions. |
I'm not excusing or diminishing the brutality of the IS. I've read practically every thread about her on this forum and not once have I seen anything about Britain's own role in fuelling extremism, peculiar considering she is a British citizen.
No mention of current military contracts. No mention of historical intervention and occupation in the region. No mention of the dismantling of successful rehabilitation programs for domestic extremists. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:54 - Feb 10 with 673 views | Highjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:09 - Feb 10 by BytholWyn |
Not much chance of getting most posters on here to understand cause and effect and such notions as responsibility.
Take the idea that there is a problem with Islam for a start. Al-Qaeda and ISIS are very much the offspring of a narrow sect of the Sunni tradition - Waahabism, which is of course inextricably linked to the house of Saud. But to talk of Waahabist terrorism would be rather revealing of the West's complicity in creating this Frankenstein monster wouldn't it?
Like Dr Frankenstein, in Shelley's novel, we need to take responsibility for our bit of the mess we've helped create. This also applies to British citizens, who we cannot reasonably foist on other countries, just because it's popular to do so. |
Taking this notion of responsibility, which I agree is very important then who is ultimately responsible for the actions of Miss Begum over the last few years? Britain? Saudi Arabia? Or Miss Begum herself with her own individual choices?
We can talk all day about what fuels this violent mindset and you probably won’t get much argument from me, we have behaved despicably out there and it’s no doubt caused huge resentment. But we always must remember the fact there are loads and loads of good Muslims living peacefully in this country who have not and never would even consider making the choices that Miss Begum made.
To point the blame elsewhere is to diminish the responsibility of the individual who made those choices and therefore must live with the result of those choices. As you say, cause and effect is also important. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 11:17 - Feb 10 with 658 views | Highjack |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:31 - Feb 10 by Drizzy |
I'm not excusing or diminishing the brutality of the IS. I've read practically every thread about her on this forum and not once have I seen anything about Britain's own role in fuelling extremism, peculiar considering she is a British citizen.
No mention of current military contracts. No mention of historical intervention and occupation in the region. No mention of the dismantling of successful rehabilitation programs for domestic extremists. |
There have been literally hundreds of threads over the years criticising our actions in that region that has created instability and power vacuums that have been exploited by some of the worst groups in the world. Our actions at the beginning of the 21st century will probably go down as our biggest ever foreign policy disaster. Nobody is arguing that our actions didn’t play a part. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 13:42 - Feb 10 with 615 views | BytholWyn |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 10:54 - Feb 10 by Highjack |
Taking this notion of responsibility, which I agree is very important then who is ultimately responsible for the actions of Miss Begum over the last few years? Britain? Saudi Arabia? Or Miss Begum herself with her own individual choices?
We can talk all day about what fuels this violent mindset and you probably won’t get much argument from me, we have behaved despicably out there and it’s no doubt caused huge resentment. But we always must remember the fact there are loads and loads of good Muslims living peacefully in this country who have not and never would even consider making the choices that Miss Begum made.
To point the blame elsewhere is to diminish the responsibility of the individual who made those choices and therefore must live with the result of those choices. As you say, cause and effect is also important. |
Perfectly reasonable points, but there are two issues here. The responsibility of Miss Begum for her actions, and the responsibility of the UK government in relation to the international community. To say that Bangladesh should be obliged to accept her simply because of her familial links is colonial arrogance of the first order. Why the hell should Bangladesh resolve the UK's problems? Or Syria, or anywhere other than the UK?
The only non-feckless option is to accept Begum back. How we deal with her once she gets here is another matter, and I don't think there are any easy answers in striking a balance between protecting the public and maintaining civil liberties. | | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:02 - Feb 10 with 573 views | Drizzy |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 11:17 - Feb 10 by Highjack |
There have been literally hundreds of threads over the years criticising our actions in that region that has created instability and power vacuums that have been exploited by some of the worst groups in the world. Our actions at the beginning of the 21st century will probably go down as our biggest ever foreign policy disaster. Nobody is arguing that our actions didn’t play a part. |
Just did a quick search of "Islam" and read every thread from the first page of results. No mention of foreign policy, British interventionism, no holistic assessment of why British citizens may be radicalised.
I find it difficult to believe there are hundreds of threads with these balanced takes. If there are any, they're drowned out by a ubiquitous Islamophobia.
The Shamima Begum case is another sad example of domestic extremism, where people choose not to question how and why this is such a regular occurrence in the UK and fall back to unproductive solutions such as deportation (to where?) and harsher prison sentences.
Of course, these same people that are so concerned with extremism don't seem particularly angry at the ruling party's gutting of the prison service... [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 15:09]
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:12 - Feb 10 with 564 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:02 - Feb 10 by Drizzy |
Just did a quick search of "Islam" and read every thread from the first page of results. No mention of foreign policy, British interventionism, no holistic assessment of why British citizens may be radicalised.
I find it difficult to believe there are hundreds of threads with these balanced takes. If there are any, they're drowned out by a ubiquitous Islamophobia.
The Shamima Begum case is another sad example of domestic extremism, where people choose not to question how and why this is such a regular occurrence in the UK and fall back to unproductive solutions such as deportation (to where?) and harsher prison sentences.
Of course, these same people that are so concerned with extremism don't seem particularly angry at the ruling party's gutting of the prison service... [Post edited 10 Feb 2020 15:09]
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Islam is just one of many topics on here that are dominated by people that are terrified of anything different to what they know. It’s also dominated by people terrified of people that don’t share the same view. | | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:17 - Feb 10 with 558 views | Darran |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:12 - Feb 10 by londonlisa2001 |
Islam is just one of many topics on here that are dominated by people that are terrified of anything different to what they know. It’s also dominated by people terrified of people that don’t share the same view. |
Well I’ve got lots of Muslim friends,I eat halal meat in an Indian (Bangladeshi) restaurant every week and I don’t think she should be allowed back. |  |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:22 - Feb 10 with 549 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:17 - Feb 10 by Darran |
Well I’ve got lots of Muslim friends,I eat halal meat in an Indian (Bangladeshi) restaurant every week and I don’t think she should be allowed back. |
Did you really just say you go for a curry once a week as an example of your empathy with Islam?
Lol.
She needs to come back as it’s our problem. No one else should have to deal with it.
No one is saying as far as I can see that she should come back and be allowed to wander around freely. She should be locked up for as long as she remains a threat. But why should Bangladesh have to put up with it? Are their people less important than ours? | | | |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:24 - Feb 10 with 547 views | Drizzy |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:22 - Feb 10 by londonlisa2001 |
Did you really just say you go for a curry once a week as an example of your empathy with Islam?
Lol.
She needs to come back as it’s our problem. No one else should have to deal with it.
No one is saying as far as I can see that she should come back and be allowed to wander around freely. She should be locked up for as long as she remains a threat. But why should Bangladesh have to put up with it? Are their people less important than ours? |
There are more than a few on here that will never be able to accept the British citizenship of someone with Muslim ancestry. | |
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| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:29 - Feb 10 with 540 views | Darran |
| Shamima Begum loses legal challenge against loss of British citizenship ... on 15:22 - Feb 10 by londonlisa2001 |
Did you really just say you go for a curry once a week as an example of your empathy with Islam?
Lol.
She needs to come back as it’s our problem. No one else should have to deal with it.
No one is saying as far as I can see that she should come back and be allowed to wander around freely. She should be locked up for as long as she remains a threat. But why should Bangladesh have to put up with it? Are their people less important than ours? |
She should remain where she is because nobody can ever be sure she’s been deradicalised and no I didn’t say I have empathy with Islam because I go for a curry once a week I started off by saying I have lots of Muslim friends but you chose to miss that bit because it doesn’t suit your agenda. | |
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