| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 21:02 - Jul 14 with 3805 views | Lohengrin |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 21:27 - Jul 14 with 3777 views | trampie |
There we are, just seeing this now and that was me at a similar age, Labour abandoned me and they became a Tory party, that young lady joins the Scottish nationalist party and I voted Plaid at that age because Labour abandoned ordinary people, the Labour party unfortunately joined the Conservatives not just by adopting similar policies but also by calling those voting for the SNP and Plaid nationalists through gritted teeth with all the negative connotations that revolve around the name nationalist, yet its the SNP and Plaid that are middle of the road and its Labour and the Conservatives that are the extremists and the real nationalists - they are Brit Nats and neo liberal extremists who put money and their banker friends before people. |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:09 - Jul 14 with 3732 views | trampie |
Black is making a mistake that Wood made in the election and that is appealing to Labour to 'come home', they need to attack Labour, old Labour has gone and is not returning, they are another English Tory party and they need to be fought just like the Conservatives. | |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:18 - Jul 14 with 3711 views | scottishjack |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 21:27 - Jul 14 by trampie |
There we are, just seeing this now and that was me at a similar age, Labour abandoned me and they became a Tory party, that young lady joins the Scottish nationalist party and I voted Plaid at that age because Labour abandoned ordinary people, the Labour party unfortunately joined the Conservatives not just by adopting similar policies but also by calling those voting for the SNP and Plaid nationalists through gritted teeth with all the negative connotations that revolve around the name nationalist, yet its the SNP and Plaid that are middle of the road and its Labour and the Conservatives that are the extremists and the real nationalists - they are Brit Nats and neo liberal extremists who put money and their banker friends before people. |
"There we are, just seeing this now and that was me at a similar age"...
Except it isn't...don't know you personally or anything so please don't take offence, but this young lady got off her ar*e and got herself elected as an MP to try and make a difference. As I said, I don't know you personally, you may well be very politically active away from posting on Planet Swans, you have just never mentioned it.
Very good speech by the young lady btw! |  | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:29 - Jul 14 with 3688 views | trampie |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:18 - Jul 14 by scottishjack |
"There we are, just seeing this now and that was me at a similar age"...
Except it isn't...don't know you personally or anything so please don't take offence, but this young lady got off her ar*e and got herself elected as an MP to try and make a difference. As I said, I don't know you personally, you may well be very politically active away from posting on Planet Swans, you have just never mentioned it.
Very good speech by the young lady btw! |
She came from a socialist background and felt Labour had abandoned her/her lot, same for me.
She was able to join the SNP when it was about to sweep the board that was not the case years ago in Wales. | |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:31 - Jul 14 with 3683 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Fantastic stuff
We need these kind of people in Westminster . |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:12 - Jul 14 with 3640 views | trampie |
She seems to have a bit of the Bernadette Devlin fire in her at a similar age in Parliament, I think she could be another thorn in the neo liberalist unionists side in the house. | |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:39 - Jul 14 with 3606 views | scottishjack |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:29 - Jul 14 by trampie |
She came from a socialist background and felt Labour had abandoned her/her lot, same for me.
She was able to join the SNP when it was about to sweep the board that was not the case years ago in Wales. |
So, honest question, would you ever put yourself forward in politics? | | | |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:58 - Jul 14 with 3581 views | Banosswan |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:39 - Jul 14 by scottishjack |
So, honest question, would you ever put yourself forward in politics? |
No he wouldn't, he's an empty vessel.
Did she mention McDonalds and buying shots for her mates?
In all seriousness, it was a well written, passionate speech which many in the snp and labour party would not be able to match. The points she is making are absolutely pertinent, however we still don't get a real solution to the problem, just emotional stirring. |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:07 - Jul 15 with 3571 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:58 - Jul 14 by Banosswan |
No he wouldn't, he's an empty vessel.
Did she mention McDonalds and buying shots for her mates?
In all seriousness, it was a well written, passionate speech which many in the snp and labour party would not be able to match. The points she is making are absolutely pertinent, however we still don't get a real solution to the problem, just emotional stirring. |
God, I'm glad it wasn't only me that felt that as well.
A very good speech in terms of oratory, and her presentation was excellent I thought, but it strikes me as being relatively easy to make a passionate speech identifying problems rather than presenting a solution. Many have done it and done it very well over the years.
The big problem with the SNP is that they are fundamentally nothing but a bunch of opportunistic chancers. You only need to look at the past few days over the hunting issue to see that.
And no, Trampie, she is not like Devlin. |  | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:16 - Jul 15 with 3561 views | scottishjack |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:07 - Jul 15 by londonlisa2001 |
God, I'm glad it wasn't only me that felt that as well.
A very good speech in terms of oratory, and her presentation was excellent I thought, but it strikes me as being relatively easy to make a passionate speech identifying problems rather than presenting a solution. Many have done it and done it very well over the years.
The big problem with the SNP is that they are fundamentally nothing but a bunch of opportunistic chancers. You only need to look at the past few days over the hunting issue to see that.
And no, Trampie, she is not like Devlin. |
I'll disagree with the "opportunistic chancers" bit... with all due respect.
The rest of the post was just about spot on though! | | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:27 - Jul 15 with 3543 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:16 - Jul 15 by scottishjack |
I'll disagree with the "opportunistic chancers" bit... with all due respect.
The rest of the post was just about spot on though! |
Really?
I say that as meaning that the only thing they actually care about is the independence issue (well, strictly, devo max given that actual independence is a bit risky for them) - all else is based on saying what they think is most likely to get them that goal.
So they'll say that the care deeply about democracy, and yet be perfectly prepared to take part in a commons vote where they have the mandate of not one single person who will be affected by it (and all the while, having done nothing to change the law in Scotland which is exactly the same as the one they are voting against for England / Wales - and as I say, I'm against hunting).
They say that they care deeply about 'anti austerity' and yet underspend their own budget by some £400m in one year.
They say that they are wedded to the ideals of 'old labour', and yet their leader joined the party when it had spent the previous months propping up Thatcher.
The same leader who, as the highest paid UK politician, was this week helicoptered into the Royal Box at Wimbledon while moaning about the way the 'rich' behave.
I know some of the real 'old labour socialists' from the London party pretty well (the old Islington Town Hall lot). A bunch of more left wing radicals you couldn't wish to meet (in fact, some went up to the SNP to take up senior positions when the party up there felt that they would have more of a chance in getting independence in all but paying for it, if they moved sharply to the left). They have pretty much nothing but contempt for the 'ideals' of the senior SNP lot. According to them, if the current thinking in Scotland was that a more right wing approach would be more likely to gain success, Salmond / Sturgeon would move the whole party overnight. | | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:39 - Jul 15 with 3525 views | Banosswan |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:27 - Jul 15 by londonlisa2001 |
Really?
I say that as meaning that the only thing they actually care about is the independence issue (well, strictly, devo max given that actual independence is a bit risky for them) - all else is based on saying what they think is most likely to get them that goal.
So they'll say that the care deeply about democracy, and yet be perfectly prepared to take part in a commons vote where they have the mandate of not one single person who will be affected by it (and all the while, having done nothing to change the law in Scotland which is exactly the same as the one they are voting against for England / Wales - and as I say, I'm against hunting).
They say that they care deeply about 'anti austerity' and yet underspend their own budget by some £400m in one year.
They say that they are wedded to the ideals of 'old labour', and yet their leader joined the party when it had spent the previous months propping up Thatcher.
The same leader who, as the highest paid UK politician, was this week helicoptered into the Royal Box at Wimbledon while moaning about the way the 'rich' behave.
I know some of the real 'old labour socialists' from the London party pretty well (the old Islington Town Hall lot). A bunch of more left wing radicals you couldn't wish to meet (in fact, some went up to the SNP to take up senior positions when the party up there felt that they would have more of a chance in getting independence in all but paying for it, if they moved sharply to the left). They have pretty much nothing but contempt for the 'ideals' of the senior SNP lot. According to them, if the current thinking in Scotland was that a more right wing approach would be more likely to gain success, Salmond / Sturgeon would move the whole party overnight. |
You don't think that Cameron threw out the fox hunting bill, knowing the snp would use it to show their' strength', to strengthen his English votes for English people legislation? | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 00:43 - Jul 15 with 3515 views | Banosswan |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:27 - Jul 15 by londonlisa2001 |
Really?
I say that as meaning that the only thing they actually care about is the independence issue (well, strictly, devo max given that actual independence is a bit risky for them) - all else is based on saying what they think is most likely to get them that goal.
So they'll say that the care deeply about democracy, and yet be perfectly prepared to take part in a commons vote where they have the mandate of not one single person who will be affected by it (and all the while, having done nothing to change the law in Scotland which is exactly the same as the one they are voting against for England / Wales - and as I say, I'm against hunting).
They say that they care deeply about 'anti austerity' and yet underspend their own budget by some £400m in one year.
They say that they are wedded to the ideals of 'old labour', and yet their leader joined the party when it had spent the previous months propping up Thatcher.
The same leader who, as the highest paid UK politician, was this week helicoptered into the Royal Box at Wimbledon while moaning about the way the 'rich' behave.
I know some of the real 'old labour socialists' from the London party pretty well (the old Islington Town Hall lot). A bunch of more left wing radicals you couldn't wish to meet (in fact, some went up to the SNP to take up senior positions when the party up there felt that they would have more of a chance in getting independence in all but paying for it, if they moved sharply to the left). They have pretty much nothing but contempt for the 'ideals' of the senior SNP lot. According to them, if the current thinking in Scotland was that a more right wing approach would be more likely to gain success, Salmond / Sturgeon would move the whole party overnight. |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:51 - Jul 15 with 3508 views | Highjack |
Her speeching is far more eloquent than her early tweets... |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:53 - Jul 15 with 3507 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:39 - Jul 15 by Banosswan |
You don't think that Cameron threw out the fox hunting bill, knowing the snp would use it to show their' strength', to strengthen his English votes for English people legislation? |
Oh I certainly think he thought it was a win win for him either way. It has Letwin all over it.
Doesn't change the point on the SNP though. For a party that is so 'democracy for all' to vote on something when they have not one single vote as a mandate is despicable. I personally think they've made a huge mistake to be honest, for all that Sturgeon is crowing. | | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 02:23 - Jul 15 with 3468 views | ScoobyWho |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:12 - Jul 14 by trampie |
She seems to have a bit of the Bernadette Devlin fire in her at a similar age in Parliament, I think she could be another thorn in the neo liberalist unionists side in the house. |
You mean the prodestant MPs ?
is that their new name ?
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 08:19 - Jul 15 with 3396 views | monmouth |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 22:31 - Jul 14 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Fantastic stuff
We need these kind of people in Westminster . |
Mate, the "labour" party needs this kind of person leading it.
Or Owen Jones, who was arguing quite convincingly for a left wing led Europe exit yesterday. I love fresh angles on things that I've never thought of (mind you, there's loads of those to be fair). |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 09:38 - Jul 15 with 3354 views | scottishjack |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 00:27 - Jul 15 by londonlisa2001 |
Really?
I say that as meaning that the only thing they actually care about is the independence issue (well, strictly, devo max given that actual independence is a bit risky for them) - all else is based on saying what they think is most likely to get them that goal.
So they'll say that the care deeply about democracy, and yet be perfectly prepared to take part in a commons vote where they have the mandate of not one single person who will be affected by it (and all the while, having done nothing to change the law in Scotland which is exactly the same as the one they are voting against for England / Wales - and as I say, I'm against hunting).
They say that they care deeply about 'anti austerity' and yet underspend their own budget by some £400m in one year.
They say that they are wedded to the ideals of 'old labour', and yet their leader joined the party when it had spent the previous months propping up Thatcher.
The same leader who, as the highest paid UK politician, was this week helicoptered into the Royal Box at Wimbledon while moaning about the way the 'rich' behave.
I know some of the real 'old labour socialists' from the London party pretty well (the old Islington Town Hall lot). A bunch of more left wing radicals you couldn't wish to meet (in fact, some went up to the SNP to take up senior positions when the party up there felt that they would have more of a chance in getting independence in all but paying for it, if they moved sharply to the left). They have pretty much nothing but contempt for the 'ideals' of the senior SNP lot. According to them, if the current thinking in Scotland was that a more right wing approach would be more likely to gain success, Salmond / Sturgeon would move the whole party overnight. |
In this particular case, they are pushing to change the law on fox hunting in Scotland! That being the case I suppose that they have to do something to help the cause down here or they can be accused of hypocrisy when the vote in Scotland arrives. They can't really win on this one. | | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 10:03 - Jul 15 with 3335 views | perchrockjack |
Labour abandoned me? Nope. They did not own you so no.
Seems if anyone comes from a socialist background, the dye is cast.
Friends, if that is the case, we are prisoners and better off dead.
Utterly depressing | |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 23:30 - Jul 15 with 3222 views | Kilkennyjack |
Hugely inspiring. I agree with every word she said. Remarkable for a 20 year old. How refreshing from the pale stale male south east based Eton types. Go girl. |  |
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| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 05:16 - Jul 16 with 3183 views | Humpty |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 10:03 - Jul 15 by perchrockjack |
Labour abandoned me? Nope. They did not own you so no.
Seems if anyone comes from a socialist background, the dye is cast.
Friends, if that is the case, we are prisoners and better off dead.
Utterly depressing |
Phil, could you start another board just for Perch? You could call it Dementia Jacks or something. Just so nearly every other discussion doesn't end with someone telling Perch he's talking shit?
He could rant away about lefties, terrorist supporters, Stalin, Russia, Cuba, Communism and everything else till his heart's content.
And we wouldn't have to read his dribble. Please Phil? |  | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 05:18 - Jul 16 with 3182 views | Humpty |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 05:16 - Jul 16 by Humpty |
Phil, could you start another board just for Perch? You could call it Dementia Jacks or something. Just so nearly every other discussion doesn't end with someone telling Perch he's talking shit?
He could rant away about lefties, terrorist supporters, Stalin, Russia, Cuba, Communism and everything else till his heart's content.
And we wouldn't have to read his dribble. Please Phil? |
Sorry. I forgot homosexuals. | | | |
| Only 20, what a maiden speech on 10:05 - Jul 16 with 3107 views | perchrockjack |
Phil.
Humpy you can always pm to iron out our differences.
He s a run bugger and I reckon he s been here got a long time under another username.
I d be the first to offer him a liquorice stick of piece.
Anyway, | |
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