| The private estate by the stadium where fans park 18:00 - May 7 with 7015 views | jamiewillzjack |
I've been parking in the private housing estate that is just off the roundabout by the indoor tennis courts near the stadium, apparently all signs state that you aren't allowed to use this estate if you are not a resident but when I've been parking there everyone seems to be using it for match day, anyway I've been issued parking tickets by millenium parking services telling me I must pay an outstanding fee for parking there which they call an offence, wasn't restricting any public paths and was not on double yellows, people have been telling me not to pay it because simply you don't have to? Any advice? |  | | |  |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:03 - May 7 with 2337 views | Darran |
Yeah don't pay it. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:04 - May 7 with 2336 views | jamiewillzjack |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:03 - May 7 by Darran |
Yeah don't pay it. |
Have you had a ticket before or? | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:04 - May 7 with 2336 views | reddythered |
Private land, signs give you no permission to park there. Sating others do it isn't a good defence tbh.
You can appeal but I'd doubt you'd win personally. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:16 - May 7 with 2288 views | Neath_Jack |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:04 - May 7 by reddythered |
Private land, signs give you no permission to park there. Sating others do it isn't a good defence tbh.
You can appeal but I'd doubt you'd win personally. |
Or he can just ignore the letters and nothing will happen. It's an invoice, not a fine. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:19 - May 7 with 2275 views | jamiewillzjack |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:16 - May 7 by Neath_Jack |
Or he can just ignore the letters and nothing will happen. It's an invoice, not a fine. |
That's what I'm gonna do | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:25 - May 7 with 2262 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:04 - May 7 by reddythered |
Private land, signs give you no permission to park there. Sating others do it isn't a good defence tbh.
You can appeal but I'd doubt you'd win personally. |
Or he can just ignore it and see if the landowners take him to court. Which they won't.
It's not a fine, don't pay it. If it gets to court I'll eat my hat. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:31 - May 7 with 2240 views | Neath_Jack |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:19 - May 7 by jamiewillzjack |
That's what I'm gonna do |
I've had 3 separate tickets from B & Q in the last 18 months alone. The letters they send get more and more threatening, saying they're passing it on to debt collectors or their solicitors etc etc. They get fed up in the end and go away. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:36 - May 7 with 2224 views | reddythered |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:31 - May 7 by Neath_Jack |
I've had 3 separate tickets from B & Q in the last 18 months alone. The letters they send get more and more threatening, saying they're passing it on to debt collectors or their solicitors etc etc. They get fed up in the end and go away. |
Car parks would be slightly different case though - there's a contract there. Legally may be able to avoid it... morally no leg to stand on. You're explicitly told you've no right to be there, chose to do whatever you wanted.
From what mates caught by tickets have said, it's definitely the case the companies are getting more hardball about it. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:40 - May 7 with 2211 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:36 - May 7 by reddythered |
Car parks would be slightly different case though - there's a contract there. Legally may be able to avoid it... morally no leg to stand on. You're explicitly told you've no right to be there, chose to do whatever you wanted.
From what mates caught by tickets have said, it's definitely the case the companies are getting more hardball about it. |
If it was a local authority issued ticket I'd agree with you. But this seems to be a private company "policing" (for want of a better word) parking on private land, just not an actual car park. The principle is exactly the same. There are a few more of these things going to court but not a significant amount. The companies concerned have been forced to clean up their acts quite considerably in recent times. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:41 - May 7 with 2202 views | Jackfath |
I didn't realise that was a "private estate". |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:58 - May 7 with 2164 views | max936 |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:40 - May 7 by exiledclaseboy |
If it was a local authority issued ticket I'd agree with you. But this seems to be a private company "policing" (for want of a better word) parking on private land, just not an actual car park. The principle is exactly the same. There are a few more of these things going to court but not a significant amount. The companies concerned have been forced to clean up their acts quite considerably in recent times. |
Have you watched that Parking programme on BBC 1 on at 9pm on Thursdays, where Councils seemingly sell the debt they're owed to a debt company who then have a legal right to use the Police to even confiscate peoples cars/ possessions, its legalised robbery, a 60 quid ticket ends up costing anything for a couple of 100 quid to a grand or more, how the fuk do they get away with that, ffs. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:01 - May 7 with 2155 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:58 - May 7 by max936 |
Have you watched that Parking programme on BBC 1 on at 9pm on Thursdays, where Councils seemingly sell the debt they're owed to a debt company who then have a legal right to use the Police to even confiscate peoples cars/ possessions, its legalised robbery, a 60 quid ticket ends up costing anything for a couple of 100 quid to a grand or more, how the fuk do they get away with that, ffs. |
Don't f*ck about with local authority issued tickets is the moral here. They only get passed to debt collectors when you've had at least three contacts from the council asking you to pay. I f*cking hate that blonde bint of a bailiff on that programme. Witch. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:07 - May 7 with 2135 views | ImAlrightJack |
It's not a fine, just dressed up as one and is typical scaremongering tactics. I've had them from Parking Eye for parking in Morrisons when I was not a customer, but ignored them and the reminders. Three years on, nothing has been said on the issue. | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:33 - May 7 with 2097 views | ItchySphincter |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 18:04 - May 7 by reddythered |
Private land, signs give you no permission to park there. Sating others do it isn't a good defence tbh.
You can appeal but I'd doubt you'd win personally. |
Nonsense, nothing to appeal.
In the wrong though, shouldn't park on other people's private property imo. |  |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:33 - May 7 with 2092 views | jamiewillzjack |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:07 - May 7 by ImAlrightJack |
It's not a fine, just dressed up as one and is typical scaremongering tactics. I've had them from Parking Eye for parking in Morrisons when I was not a customer, but ignored them and the reminders. Three years on, nothing has been said on the issue. |
Yeah this is what I've been getting, if it was off the council then I would pay straight up but I feel this is a con just trying to get money out of people's pockets | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:37 - May 7 with 2081 views | jamiewillzjack |
This solves everything, cheers | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:54 - May 7 with 2038 views | reddythered |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:33 - May 7 by ItchySphincter |
Nonsense, nothing to appeal.
In the wrong though, shouldn't park on other people's private property imo. |
Private car parks are one thing, ie ones in retail parks. There's an implicit contract, tickets handed out for breaching the terms of the contract.
In this case, there's no implicit contract because parking is prohibited on the private estate. Would be interesting to see any legal precedents over this kind of situation tbh. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:55 - May 7 with 2032 views | Jackfath |
Is it a private estate? | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:59 - May 7 with 2027 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:54 - May 7 by reddythered |
Private car parks are one thing, ie ones in retail parks. There's an implicit contract, tickets handed out for breaching the terms of the contract.
In this case, there's no implicit contract because parking is prohibited on the private estate. Would be interesting to see any legal precedents over this kind of situation tbh. |
The principle is exactly the same. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:01 - May 7 with 2016 views | reddythered |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 19:59 - May 7 by exiledclaseboy |
The principle is exactly the same. |
Is it though?
The point of not paying etc is generally bound around the unfair contract terms. There's no contract nor a possible contract in this case... | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:05 - May 7 with 2007 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:01 - May 7 by reddythered |
Is it though?
The point of not paying etc is generally bound around the unfair contract terms. There's no contract nor a possible contract in this case... |
The "contract" (such as it is) with the private parking companies is based in the main on the terms and conditions on the signs in and around the car park or area of land they're managing. In a car park it's usually something like "You can park here for up to two hours, after that you'll get a parking charge notice". I haven't seen the estate in question but it seems like the "contract" in this case is nothing more than "you can't park here".
So the principle is identical. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:06 - May 7 with 2005 views | jeza739 |
So if its a private estate the local auth haven't adopted it as part of the highway. Interesting to see what happens if street lights etc need maintenance. It may be still classed as private coz Barretts are still building there and Swansea council have not taken over responsibility for it.
When they do (if haven't already) you can park there dim problem.
Check with council highways dept they will be able to state whether they have adopted is taken over responsibility yet | | | |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:08 - May 7 with 1994 views | Jackfath |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:06 - May 7 by jeza739 |
So if its a private estate the local auth haven't adopted it as part of the highway. Interesting to see what happens if street lights etc need maintenance. It may be still classed as private coz Barretts are still building there and Swansea council have not taken over responsibility for it.
When they do (if haven't already) you can park there dim problem.
Check with council highways dept they will be able to state whether they have adopted is taken over responsibility yet |
Which is why I questioned if it's a private estate. | |
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| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:08 - May 7 with 1995 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The private estate by the stadium where fans park on 20:06 - May 7 by jeza739 |
So if its a private estate the local auth haven't adopted it as part of the highway. Interesting to see what happens if street lights etc need maintenance. It may be still classed as private coz Barretts are still building there and Swansea council have not taken over responsibility for it.
When they do (if haven't already) you can park there dim problem.
Check with council highways dept they will be able to state whether they have adopted is taken over responsibility yet |
If the council had already adopted the land there wouldn't be a private parking firm handing out tickets for illegal parking. The council would be doing it themselves. | |
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