| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? 11:18 - Jun 25 with 3051 views | ItchySphincter |
Boris Johnson elected leader of the Tory party.
Jeremy Corbyn removed as Labour party leader, Labour select electable leader.
Johnson calls early general election as he has no mandate from the British public.
Labour manifesto includes pledge not to invoke article 50 and not to leave EU.
Labour wins back Scotland from SNP based on pledge to remain in EU, wins election.
Hello United Kingdom and EU, goodbye Boris Johnson and SNP.
Sounds ridiculous but an early election is not that unlikely and stranger things have been witnessed in the last few days. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 21:31]
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:30 - Jun 25 with 1700 views | jackonicko |
Poses an interesting question that an elected prime minister with probably less than 50% of the vote overturns a nationwide referendum decision with more than 50% of the vote.
Does that fundamental question over democracy trigger a referendum on AV? ;)
Thursdays are going to be busy. |  | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:33 - Jun 25 with 1694 views | Murph75 |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:30 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
Poses an interesting question that an elected prime minister with probably less than 50% of the vote overturns a nationwide referendum decision with more than 50% of the vote.
Does that fundamental question over democracy trigger a referendum on AV? ;)
Thursdays are going to be busy. |
Doesn't sound like Corbyn has plans to go anywhere. |  | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:47 - Jun 25 with 1668 views | exiledclaseboy |
You could easily argue that Johnson has much more of a mandate from the public on the fundamental issue facing the UK now than Cameron did and certainly that Labour has. Well, about 4% more anyway. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:51 - Jun 25 with 1645 views | exiledclaseboy |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 11:30 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
Poses an interesting question that an elected prime minister with probably less than 50% of the vote overturns a nationwide referendum decision with more than 50% of the vote.
Does that fundamental question over democracy trigger a referendum on AV? ;)
Thursdays are going to be busy. |
An elected prime minister? "Probably" on less than 50% of the vote?
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 13:52 - Jun 25 with 1560 views | Glyn1 |
You're whistling in the dark Itchy S. A majority voted Out and that's the end of it. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 13:53 - Jun 25 with 1560 views | exiledclaseboy |
75% of MPs support the UK's membership of the EU. Parliament has to pass the legislation that will extricate the UK from the EU. Will parliament do that?
It'll be a brave Parliament that defies the democratically expressed will of the people in such a brazen way. But it's within Parliament's power to do so. | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:35 - Jun 25 with 1524 views | WarwickHunt |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 13:53 - Jun 25 by exiledclaseboy |
75% of MPs support the UK's membership of the EU. Parliament has to pass the legislation that will extricate the UK from the EU. Will parliament do that?
It'll be a brave Parliament that defies the democratically expressed will of the people in such a brazen way. But it's within Parliament's power to do so. |
Now that would be funny. |  | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:45 - Jun 25 with 1502 views | jackonicko |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 13:53 - Jun 25 by exiledclaseboy |
75% of MPs support the UK's membership of the EU. Parliament has to pass the legislation that will extricate the UK from the EU. Will parliament do that?
It'll be a brave Parliament that defies the democratically expressed will of the people in such a brazen way. But it's within Parliament's power to do so. |
And then put it another way.
75% of MPs wanted remain. BoJo is apparently promising an immediate GE as he rallies support for his leadership bid.
Of the current Tories MPs, how many will realistically stand as candidates to deliver a mandate they don't agree with? The Tories will have fight under a leave-led manifesto they don't believe in. Labour, SNP and the rest may have a different manifesto, but will still have to vote through legislation they don't support to give effect to the referendum mandate.
If many decide that they don't want to fight the campaign, who will replace them in a snap poll?
This could all get very confusing.
More worryingly, we may end up with a weak parliament that cannot negotiate hard enough for Britain's interests. | | | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:47 - Jun 25 with 1492 views | sherpajacob |
It's also possible our house of lords could stop British people taking back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:48 - Jun 25 with 1486 views | jackonicko |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:47 - Jun 25 by sherpajacob |
It's also possible our house of lords could stop British people taking back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. |
That is impossible.
A lot of people on here don't understand our constitution. You included. | | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:52 - Jun 25 with 1471 views | Lord_Bony |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:45 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
And then put it another way.
75% of MPs wanted remain. BoJo is apparently promising an immediate GE as he rallies support for his leadership bid.
Of the current Tories MPs, how many will realistically stand as candidates to deliver a mandate they don't agree with? The Tories will have fight under a leave-led manifesto they don't believe in. Labour, SNP and the rest may have a different manifesto, but will still have to vote through legislation they don't support to give effect to the referendum mandate.
If many decide that they don't want to fight the campaign, who will replace them in a snap poll?
This could all get very confusing.
More worryingly, we may end up with a weak parliament that cannot negotiate hard enough for Britain's interests. |
This.
Its going to get messy.
The only party dedicated to taking us out of Europe is UKIP.  |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:53 - Jun 25 with 1469 views | WarwickHunt |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:47 - Jun 25 by sherpajacob |
It's also possible our house of lords could stop British people taking back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:55 - Jun 25 with 1453 views | Lohengrin |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:53 - Jun 25 by WarwickHunt |
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It tickled me. As our old friends The Carters used to say, Keep on the Sunny Side. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:57 - Jun 25 with 1446 views | exiledclaseboy |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:47 - Jun 25 by sherpajacob |
It's also possible our house of lords could stop British people taking back control from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. |
No it's not. | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:59 - Jun 25 with 1438 views | exiledclaseboy |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:45 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
And then put it another way.
75% of MPs wanted remain. BoJo is apparently promising an immediate GE as he rallies support for his leadership bid.
Of the current Tories MPs, how many will realistically stand as candidates to deliver a mandate they don't agree with? The Tories will have fight under a leave-led manifesto they don't believe in. Labour, SNP and the rest may have a different manifesto, but will still have to vote through legislation they don't support to give effect to the referendum mandate.
If many decide that they don't want to fight the campaign, who will replace them in a snap poll?
This could all get very confusing.
More worryingly, we may end up with a weak parliament that cannot negotiate hard enough for Britain's interests. |
If nothing else, this is a wonderfully entertaining clusterf*ck. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 15:01]
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 15:11 - Jun 25 with 1405 views | Private_Partz |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:59 - Jun 25 by exiledclaseboy |
If nothing else, this is a wonderfully entertaining clusterf*ck. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 15:01]
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Clusterfeck indeed.......and this is supposed to be Great Britain. The county that can look after itself, needs nobody else, and can trade with the world as it is loved by all......
In reality we look to the world like we could not arrange a p!ss up in a brewery. We find ourselves in a commitment that only one minority party wants. A situation that will last for decades to come. |  |
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Help your fellow man.
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 15:38 - Jun 25 with 1381 views | PozuelosSideys |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:45 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
And then put it another way.
75% of MPs wanted remain. BoJo is apparently promising an immediate GE as he rallies support for his leadership bid.
Of the current Tories MPs, how many will realistically stand as candidates to deliver a mandate they don't agree with? The Tories will have fight under a leave-led manifesto they don't believe in. Labour, SNP and the rest may have a different manifesto, but will still have to vote through legislation they don't support to give effect to the referendum mandate.
If many decide that they don't want to fight the campaign, who will replace them in a snap poll?
This could all get very confusing.
More worryingly, we may end up with a weak parliament that cannot negotiate hard enough for Britain's interests. |
That last sentence is so important and true its unreal.
You do not want to go in to divorce proceedings with your ex wife with some college student doing your bidding, while they have the cream of lawyers at their disposal. You will get utterly smashed.
Another reason not to rush in to invoking article 50 asap as the EU are "telling" us to do. We need to get our house in order as best we can first. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 19:09 - Jun 25 with 1312 views | ItchySphincter |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 13:52 - Jun 25 by Glyn1 |
You're whistling in the dark Itchy S. A majority voted Out and that's the end of it. |
It's a realistic scenario. Not saying it's likely but it's possible and if it did happen it would be completely legitimate. | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:34 - Jun 25 with 1255 views | tomdickharry |
The referendum declared that we leave the EU,that's it period,we leave,there are no circumstances under which we stay in. |  | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:39 - Jun 25 with 1243 views | Phil_S |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 14:45 - Jun 25 by jackonicko |
And then put it another way.
75% of MPs wanted remain. BoJo is apparently promising an immediate GE as he rallies support for his leadership bid.
Of the current Tories MPs, how many will realistically stand as candidates to deliver a mandate they don't agree with? The Tories will have fight under a leave-led manifesto they don't believe in. Labour, SNP and the rest may have a different manifesto, but will still have to vote through legislation they don't support to give effect to the referendum mandate.
If many decide that they don't want to fight the campaign, who will replace them in a snap poll?
This could all get very confusing.
More worryingly, we may end up with a weak parliament that cannot negotiate hard enough for Britain's interests. |
I'm holding the supporters trust responsible |  | | |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:44 - Jun 25 with 1219 views | Flashberryjack |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:39 - Jun 25 by Phil_S |
I'm holding the supporters trust responsible |
And so you should......rumor has it they voted out. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 21:21 - Jun 25 with 1186 views | DJack |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:44 - Jun 25 by Flashberryjack |
And so you should......rumor has it they voted out. |
...and there we have the Brexit camp's reason for winning... deniable bullshit. That said I think that both camps campaigns were undeniably shit. All hail the victors, may tou live in interesting times. |  |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 21:26 - Jun 25 with 1176 views | ItchySphincter |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:34 - Jun 25 by tomdickharry |
The referendum declared that we leave the EU,that's it period,we leave,there are no circumstances under which we stay in. |
You're wrong, not likely but not impossible. | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 22:09 - Jun 25 with 1146 views | exiledclaseboy |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 20:34 - Jun 25 by tomdickharry |
The referendum declared that we leave the EU,that's it period,we leave,there are no circumstances under which we stay in. |
That non binding referendum you mean? Just saying like. | |
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| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 22:14 - Jun 25 with 1139 views | DJack |
| A set of circumstances that sees Britain stay in the EU? on 21:26 - Jun 25 by ItchySphincter |
You're wrong, not likely but not impossible. |
Mental ain't it Itchy! | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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