| Thoughts on this - Obafemi 18:48 - Sep 15 with 3295 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 21:49 - Sep 15 with 2314 views | Dr_Winston |
For too many people the outrage bus is the most convenient form of transport. It's the easiest thing in the world to slag Obafemi off for refusing to play. The only problem with that is nobody has ever claimed that he is. The most we've ever had is RM claiming that he's "not in the right frame of mind" which could mean anything.
It might mean that Oba is refusing to play. I find this to be the unlikeliest outcome because why on Earth would he? If he wants out the best way to do that is to shine on the pitch. If he is as money obsessed as people claim then he gets paid more for playing and scoring. He was on the bench with the rest of the players on Tuesday. An odd place to be for someone who apparently wants out.
It might mean that he's pissed RM off and in return he will have to spend some time on the naughty step. This is perhaps the most likely reason because RM is clearly the Martinet type and has a long track record of discarding and ignoring players he doesn't want to use. We could easily have lost Benda because Martin had absolutely no use for him. Now he's first choice.
The question we should be asking ourselves is can we afford to leave a player of Oba's quality out of the side just so Martin can prove some sort of point? If we were currently a successful team you could make the argument that it is a justified course of action. As we're nowhere near a successful team then leaving a player capable of scoring better than one in two out of the side just because you're pissed off with him is immature management. [Post edited 15 Sep 2022 22:02]
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:05 - Sep 15 with 2286 views | Badlands |
Given the situation with few players it is becoming more and more obvious that Martin is not a man manager. |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:22 - Sep 15 with 2259 views | Dr_Winston |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:05 - Sep 15 by Badlands |
Given the situation with few players it is becoming more and more obvious that Martin is not a man manager. |
I just think there's certain players that can do no wrong with him and others that are likely to end up on the shitlist no matter what they do. | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:49 - Sep 15 with 2239 views | nantywatcher |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 21:49 - Sep 15 by Dr_Winston |
For too many people the outrage bus is the most convenient form of transport. It's the easiest thing in the world to slag Obafemi off for refusing to play. The only problem with that is nobody has ever claimed that he is. The most we've ever had is RM claiming that he's "not in the right frame of mind" which could mean anything.
It might mean that Oba is refusing to play. I find this to be the unlikeliest outcome because why on Earth would he? If he wants out the best way to do that is to shine on the pitch. If he is as money obsessed as people claim then he gets paid more for playing and scoring. He was on the bench with the rest of the players on Tuesday. An odd place to be for someone who apparently wants out.
It might mean that he's pissed RM off and in return he will have to spend some time on the naughty step. This is perhaps the most likely reason because RM is clearly the Martinet type and has a long track record of discarding and ignoring players he doesn't want to use. We could easily have lost Benda because Martin had absolutely no use for him. Now he's first choice.
The question we should be asking ourselves is can we afford to leave a player of Oba's quality out of the side just so Martin can prove some sort of point? If we were currently a successful team you could make the argument that it is a justified course of action. As we're nowhere near a successful team then leaving a player capable of scoring better than one in two out of the side just because you're pissed off with him is immature management. [Post edited 15 Sep 2022 22:02]
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"a player of Oba's quality."
What quality would that be then?
Wandering around half interested for 85minutes, unable to control a medicine ball if you threw it at him.
No big loss without a massive change of direction in his attitude to his work. |  | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 23:06 - Sep 15 with 2218 views | jasper_T |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:49 - Sep 15 by nantywatcher |
"a player of Oba's quality."
What quality would that be then?
Wandering around half interested for 85minutes, unable to control a medicine ball if you threw it at him.
No big loss without a massive change of direction in his attitude to his work. |
12 goals in 2000 minutes of Championship football last season is a strike rate very similar to what Piroe provided (22 in 3500). He's quick and makes good runs, and is a good finisher given time. If he had a first touch like wet cement instead of dry he'd be a PL player. | | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 23:06 - Sep 15 with 2219 views | Fireboy2 |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:22 - Sep 15 by Dr_Winston |
I just think there's certain players that can do no wrong with him and others that are likely to end up on the shitlist no matter what they do. |
This is why he needs to go |  | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 23:12 - Sep 15 with 2213 views | jasper_T |
Matty Jones a great appointment for Wales u21s. I think I posted on here a while back that he'd be my pick.
Didn't know Josh Thomas' injury was due to a car crash. Good to see him and Evan Watts in Jones' first squad after the lengthy layoffs they've had.
The personality clash drama at this club is getting boring. If he's not falling out with players Martin is taking credit for fixing issues only he was aware of. It's not that he was wrong to sideline Benda for a year, the lad "came back a different player". | | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 07:03 - Sep 16 with 2125 views | Dr_Winston |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:49 - Sep 15 by nantywatcher |
"a player of Oba's quality."
What quality would that be then?
Wandering around half interested for 85minutes, unable to control a medicine ball if you threw it at him.
No big loss without a massive change of direction in his attitude to his work. |
Along with the tendency to look for things to be outraged about there is also one to rewrite reality to suit the narrative, and this I'm afraid is a textbook case.
"Wandering around half interested for 85minutes"
Seriously? He comes off that pitch absolutely knackered and drenched in sweat more often than not due to all the chasing he's had to do as a lone striker. If you question his attitude off the pitch (which may be bad) his effort on it has never been in serious doubt. Even at the start of last season when he got scraps of games he worked his arse off when he did get a chance.
And as Jasper said, his goal rate is just as good as Piroe's. Given the amount of chances we threw away on Tuesday I find the statement that he's "no big loss" to be downright bizarre. He is a massive loss at present, and that seems to me to be purely down to RM's decision. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 7:27]
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 07:52 - Sep 16 with 2071 views | magicdaps10 |
I try to be as open minded as I can in these situations, we have had a few situations like this discussed previously on the forum..... Kenny states that there is always another side of the story and he is correct, he clearly has heard the Obefami side but has he heard the Martin and clubs side of the story.
I think Kenny has tried to be clever but ultimately with a little thought has contradicted himself on the situation. I would gather a few things have been said and he has been suspended for a few games in hope that he gets his act together.
He will be back for the weekend I would think. |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 09:22 - Sep 16 with 2018 views | Catullus |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 23:06 - Sep 15 by jasper_T |
12 goals in 2000 minutes of Championship football last season is a strike rate very similar to what Piroe provided (22 in 3500). He's quick and makes good runs, and is a good finisher given time. If he had a first touch like wet cement instead of dry he'd be a PL player. |
Totally agree because pace is always dangerous, Oba should be working (or worked) hard in training on developing a better first touch. Any weakness can be worked on and improved.
I know (after speaking with one and Keith saying others think the same) that it's said martin is a top bloke. It'd be iteresting to get an honest opinion from some other players, from Oba and Fulton for example. | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 09:37 - Sep 16 with 2003 views | jack247 |
I’m not sure whether the fault lies with Obafemi, Martin or a combination of both. Quite likely somewhere in the middle.
Regardless of that, I do think we look better with Piroe in his best position and Cooper behind him. Not to say we wouldn’t look as good with Cooper behind Obafemi.
If his head’s in the right place and he’s not refusing to play though, he should be on the bench at least. Especially when we don’t have much pace in the side. | | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 10:39 - Sep 16 with 1964 views | onehunglow |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 09:37 - Sep 16 by jack247 |
I’m not sure whether the fault lies with Obafemi, Martin or a combination of both. Quite likely somewhere in the middle.
Regardless of that, I do think we look better with Piroe in his best position and Cooper behind him. Not to say we wouldn’t look as good with Cooper behind Obafemi.
If his head’s in the right place and he’s not refusing to play though, he should be on the bench at least. Especially when we don’t have much pace in the side. |
Yep
Piroe is a striker ,the only one we really have of any quality. He needs help .
Cooper can be a key member and should not be subbed as a matter of routine.
If Michael wants a move then a few hard grafting performances can see him get his move in January.No good for him in sitting it out | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:02 - Sep 16 with 1845 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 09:37 - Sep 16 by jack247 |
I’m not sure whether the fault lies with Obafemi, Martin or a combination of both. Quite likely somewhere in the middle.
Regardless of that, I do think we look better with Piroe in his best position and Cooper behind him. Not to say we wouldn’t look as good with Cooper behind Obafemi.
If his head’s in the right place and he’s not refusing to play though, he should be on the bench at least. Especially when we don’t have much pace in the side. |
Piroe and Cooper behind Obafemi is the way for me. Did Piroe score more last season when he played up top or behind Obafemi? |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:13 - Sep 16 with 1839 views | Dr_Winston |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:02 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Piroe and Cooper behind Obafemi is the way for me. Did Piroe score more last season when he played up top or behind Obafemi? |
Marginally more from midfield. | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:16 - Sep 16 with 1831 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:13 - Sep 16 by Dr_Winston |
Marginally more from midfield. |
Thanks, so there is no real need to play him up top, if the Obafemi situation can be sorted. | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 18:05 - Sep 16 with 1776 views | howenjack |
Come on Obafemi
Take your daps to Swansea
Get some good hard training done ...
Run up those sand dunes son ...
Come on Obafemi
We might get to Wembley...
Train hard in the Sun ...
Don't let them think you're a bum ..
Come on Obafemi...
if you live in Sketty...
Run to training each day...
Russell Martin will say ....
Come on Obafemi...
Blimey he's here already...
First in and last out...
Now he's in with a shout...
Come on Obafemi ..
Bang them in for the City...
Make your critics pity......
Truth is in your destiny.....
Singing come on Swansea city....
With Michael Obafemi....
We'll go wild wild wild
We'll go wild wild wild.... | | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 10:43 - Sep 17 with 1631 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 22:22 - Sep 15 by Dr_Winston |
I just think there's certain players that can do no wrong with him and others that are likely to end up on the shitlist no matter what they do. |
That in itself is a serious flaw, and one we cannot afford to pander to. Who the hell interviewed this guy??? |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 12:19 - Sep 17 with 1606 views | Boundy |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 23:12 - Sep 15 by jasper_T |
Matty Jones a great appointment for Wales u21s. I think I posted on here a while back that he'd be my pick.
Didn't know Josh Thomas' injury was due to a car crash. Good to see him and Evan Watts in Jones' first squad after the lengthy layoffs they've had.
The personality clash drama at this club is getting boring. If he's not falling out with players Martin is taking credit for fixing issues only he was aware of. It's not that he was wrong to sideline Benda for a year, the lad "came back a different player". |
Regarding Benda he's the same player as he always has been , now atm were not playing suicidal football at the back that's become more apparent | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 15:17 - Sep 17 with 1539 views | Dr_Winston |
Looks like he's off the naughty step now. Bit of a cuddle with RM in the centre circle after the game. Hopefully to be back where he belongs from here on in. | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 15:41 - Sep 17 with 1525 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 15:17 - Sep 17 by Dr_Winston |
Looks like he's off the naughty step now. Bit of a cuddle with RM in the centre circle after the game. Hopefully to be back where he belongs from here on in. |
Yep, lot's a positive signals today, and that one is near the top. |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 19:05 - Sep 17 with 1413 views | max936 |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 15:17 - Sep 17 by Dr_Winston |
Looks like he's off the naughty step now. Bit of a cuddle with RM in the centre circle after the game. Hopefully to be back where he belongs from here on in. |
A bit of Pandering and the feeling of being loved massages the ego's of todays players, where's the Tommy Smiths and the Bobby Latchford's these days, instead of these ego inflated wanna be's, it's pathetic how they'd manage if they couldn't play football god knows. They're brittle as fuk . |  |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 19:08 - Sep 17 with 1408 views | onehunglow |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 12:19 - Sep 17 by Boundy |
Regarding Benda he's the same player as he always has been , now atm were not playing suicidal football at the back that's become more apparent |
For a dreadful moment,Bfisherclooked like coming on.
Benda ,rock solid . | |
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| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 19:37 - Sep 17 with 1379 views | lifelong |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 19:08 - Sep 17 by onehunglow |
For a dreadful moment,Bfisherclooked like coming on.
Benda ,rock solid . |
I’m surprised you’re on here this evening, thought you’d be wandering around a country lane in the Wirral muttering to yourself, ‘ That bastard Martin got it right today, can’t wait for the next defeat to keep on sticking the knife in”. 👠|  | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 20:09 - Sep 17 with 1328 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:16 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Thanks, so there is no real need to play him up top, if the Obafemi situation can be sorted. |
There is. We didn’t have Ollie Cooper or anyone like him last season. Paterson was probably the closest, he’s got the guile and can split a defence. Cooper has that and also runs at defenders with pace and intent.
Piroe scored and hit the bar twice today, he’s had great chances every game since being back up front. If he finds last seasons shooting form he’ll fill his boots in this setup. The difference between him playing in midfield and up front this season is stark.
If there’s a way of playing Cooper behind both of them without getting overrun in midfield, then do it. If not, I’d leave it as it is. | | | |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 07:40 - Sep 18 with 1190 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Thoughts on this - Obafemi on 16:16 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Thanks, so there is no real need to play him up top, if the Obafemi situation can be sorted. |
You still have no idea how good Piroe is do you. | |
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