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2021-22 accounts posted 17:02 - Mar 31 with 2595 views49thseason

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00111019/fili


In the period under review the club sold Stephen Humphrys (to Wigan Athletic), Ollie Rathbone (to Rotherham United), Jake Beesley (to Blackpool FC) and Aaron Morley (to Bolton Wanderers). Transfer fees which comprise both initial transfer fees plus performance add-ons for previously sold players totalled £0.9m (year to May 2021: £Nil) with further contingent fees payable in future years.

These factors led to the group making a financial loss after tax of £0.5m (year to May 2021: £1.2m) in the period which reduced consolidated net assets however, new share capital of £0.8m saw net assets at the balance sheet date of £1.8m (31 May 2021: £1.5m).
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2021-22 accounts posted on 17:51 - Mar 31 with 2474 viewsSuddenLad

Delighted to see that the legal action against a former director and employee is ongoing and expected to be heard in the summer of this year. (Page 24 para 15)

“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled”

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2021-22 accounts posted on 20:00 - Mar 31 with 2281 viewselectricblue

2021-22 accounts posted on 17:51 - Mar 31 by SuddenLad

Delighted to see that the legal action against a former director and employee is ongoing and expected to be heard in the summer of this year. (Page 24 para 15)


Lets hope that there is some financial recompense for what he did..

Wouldnt surprise me if he goes bankrupt......

My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds

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2021-22 accounts posted on 20:30 - Mar 31 with 2217 viewsjudd

2021-22 accounts posted on 20:00 - Mar 31 by electricblue

Lets hope that there is some financial recompense for what he did..

Wouldnt surprise me if he goes bankrupt......


You're assuming gender.

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2021-22 accounts posted on 07:54 - Apr 1 with 1838 viewselectricblue

2021-22 accounts posted on 20:30 - Mar 31 by judd

You're assuming gender.


I assume nothing....

My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds

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2021-22 accounts posted on 08:57 - Apr 1 with 1778 viewsNigelWatson

2021-22 accounts posted on 20:30 - Mar 31 by judd

You're assuming gender.


Quick, call the PC Police.

To become financially stable, RAFC must cut their overheads by reducing the amount they spent on wages for people who do not play football for a living. The club's turnover doesn't warrant layers of bureaucracy and admin. We are not a huge corporation, so we can't afford to be run like one.
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2021-22 accounts posted on 10:12 - Apr 1 with 1676 viewsjudd

2021-22 accounts posted on 20:00 - Mar 31 by electricblue

Lets hope that there is some financial recompense for what he did..

Wouldnt surprise me if he goes bankrupt......


There is probably very good legal reason why an individual has never been named in the public domain.

The fact that the description offered by the club fits more than one person of differing genders means you have assumed it to be a he.

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2021-22 accounts posted on 10:17 - Apr 1 with 1666 viewsforeverhopefulDale

2021-22 accounts posted on 08:57 - Apr 1 by NigelWatson

Quick, call the PC Police.

To become financially stable, RAFC must cut their overheads by reducing the amount they spent on wages for people who do not play football for a living. The club's turnover doesn't warrant layers of bureaucracy and admin. We are not a huge corporation, so we can't afford to be run like one.
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That would be a start. Our finances aren't so horrific that with some cutting of expenses we couldn't be breaking even, if we had a lottery like we used to have and maximised our income streams like the bars etc. If we can survive in the NL and stabilise the Club's finances and playing squad we could be ok without outside take over, as unless we get a well off Dale fan doing it I can't see anyone investing without wanting to take over, which could lead to the threat of things going wrong.

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2021-22 accounts posted on 10:35 - Apr 1 with 1627 views442Dale

2021-22 accounts posted on 10:17 - Apr 1 by foreverhopefulDale

That would be a start. Our finances aren't so horrific that with some cutting of expenses we couldn't be breaking even, if we had a lottery like we used to have and maximised our income streams like the bars etc. If we can survive in the NL and stabilise the Club's finances and playing squad we could be ok without outside take over, as unless we get a well off Dale fan doing it I can't see anyone investing without wanting to take over, which could lead to the threat of things going wrong.


Just supposing... by RAFCBLUE 2 Jan 2023 19:59
Just to come back to the OP, there are three main themes to this which the Trust's newsletter puts neatly into the public domain.

1. Current cost of doing business

The quoted £500,000 to rent / hire facilities is an astronomical figure when you reference it to the recent Chairman's Christmas message which stated that the club loses £18,750 a week.

That means that a large part of that weekly loss - say £10,000 per week - is attributed to not having the facilities in place for being a professional football club. That £10,000 of cost is eradicated by having an owned facility of some sort.

Ignoring the numbers for a minute - that means that RAFC is subsidising a good number of sporting facilities both in Rochdale and across the North West with rental rather than owning / having access to a facility which is free at the point of use.

£500,000 is 2,000 £250 season tickets.

If RAFC was not subsidising those facilities then they would have to find that money too from somewhere. This highlights the significant inter-connectivity of sport driving by a professional football club across the wider borough. If something bad happens to the football club then those facilities suffer an equivalent downturn in fortunes and equally success for the club is good for those organisations too.

2. Sourcing land and having that land allocated for sports use not housing.

The issue we have had as a club for years is the sourcing of land. Numerous sites have been promised, earmarked, reviewed and identified and none have ever come to fruition. Bowlee, land off the M62 and various other sites have been touted over the years with no actual progression of land.

The obvious reason for that is that if you are a seller of land it is far more lucrative to build houses on available land rather than any other form of commercial facility. Equally, if you are seller of land you want the best price now that you can get for that land.

The demolition of the former Church Inn pub and creation of housing is the best example I can think off for that.

To resolve this the only party who can help is the Council. This is by making delivery of a training ground / community facility / sports pitches part of a local plan led commitment, possibly funded by Section 106 contributions from other developers in the borough.

3. The role of the investor in speculative development

Put harshly there is not a serious enough economic return for an individual investor to take a punt on the speculative development of any facility without a guaranteed return. If you had £1m sitting doing nothing and could get 5% (£50,000) per annum on that in a savings account then what chance are you going to risk that £1m in a scheme that does not have a guaranteed outcome and / or is tied to the sporting fortunes of another commercial organisation that you are not involved in.

Thats before all of the problems of sourcing the land and delivering a successful development.

4. What does that mean for us in practice?

For RAFC the support of the Council will be crucial if this training ground dream is to be ever developed out. Not only does the land need to be found but the priority of the football club, for the benefit of the wider town, is something that only local and possibly even central government can solve. Local and central government have access to funding that smaller organisations don't.

Here's a live example, going on under 10 miles from Spotland:
https://www.manchesterworld.uk/news/new-football-pitch-and-pavilion-to-be-built-in-radcliffe-3795244

If we look across the road at Bury, their council is doing exactly this - the link above is showing - Bury council has been working with Radcliffe FC, the Football Foundation and Lancashire County FA on funding the project.

The proposed 3G pitch and pavilion will be managed by the Radcliffe Football Foundation under a long term management lease from Bury Council.

And from a Council that don't have a League team to support following the shenanigans of Messers Day and Dale at Gigg Lane.



As per the figures at 19:59 Jan 2nd on the above thread, if the training costs are the figures mentioned, then there are another approx 9k of losses each week to look at. Immediately you think of the playing budget, where with effective management we could have made significant savings this season alone.

Quite why we continued to add players in areas we didn’t require them last summer made no sense both financially and on a football level. And we didn’t need a football consultancy service to tell us that.

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2021-22 accounts posted on 11:45 - Apr 1 with 1505 viewspioneer

owning a facility does not make it free at the point of use. There are substantial running costs that need to be paid so its not a straightforward …own a place and all the rent is saved.
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