| Liz Truss is the new PM 12:39 - Sep 5 with 31795 views | Juzzie |
82% of the 172,437 Conservative members voted. That's 141,000 people deciding the fate of millions.
Sunak got 60k votes (43%)
Truss got 81k votes (57%)
So it wasn't even a clear majority, the Party was fairly evenly split which says to me they're not in harmony, a divided party.
God help us.
I'd have said the same has Sunak won it, what an awful place to be in where no one seems to be anywhere near good enough for the job at hand.
And before anyone says "Well Labour wouldn't do a better job of it" a) it's not about Labour b) maybe not
What a state this country is in.
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:35 - Sep 6 with 2226 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 13:43 - Sep 6 by QPR_John |
Agree Cameron thought a referendum would put the question to bed for good. However the post I was replying to suggested there would not be Brexit if Labour had been in power so I simply asked the question. It is a bit odd though to suggest we should not have had a referendum in case the result was to leave. Are you saying our leaders knew best and the public should not have been asked. Maybe we should do away with elections. Let’s face it prior to the 2016 referendum we had never been given a chance to say whether we wanted to be in the EU or not. I remember way back when I voted to join the Common Market an entirely different entity. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 13:44]
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I agree that the Common Market was an entirely different entity back then (one that the UK would love to go back to) but you didn't vote to join the EEC. The UK joined in 1973 under the Conservative government. Labour won the 1974 general election(s) and in 1975 held a referendum to decide whether or not to remain in the EEC under slightly different terms. The public voted to stay.
Ironically, Cameron tried the same trick as Wilson. Unfortunately he failed to appreciate that not only were the terms he negotiated paltry but by then the EU was a very different beast to the EEC. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 16:43]
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:40 - Sep 6 with 2216 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
@Sakura
“The last time we did that in Europe we saw Franco, Mussolini and Hitler come to power. I'm glad that countries in Europe who will inevitably vote in extreme politicians this decade won't be me influencing our politics in the same way thanks to Brexit“
I think that’s why they formed the European Community in the first place. To prevent something like that from happening again. A peaceful, united and prosperous Europe was the aim I believe and it’s been largely that so far.
Of course the EU has grown into so much more than that and we have voted out but I wouldn’t presume that will protect us if somewhere like Italy defaults. Or that Britain is immune from producing it’s own extreme Politics/Politicians… |  |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:43 - Sep 6 with 2197 views | paulparker |
Imagine how the Queen feels , she must be shaking her head in how mad the world has become
Her first prime minister was Churchill and her last Liz Truss !!! |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:57 - Sep 6 with 2133 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:40 - Sep 6 by CliveWilsonSaid |
@Sakura
“The last time we did that in Europe we saw Franco, Mussolini and Hitler come to power. I'm glad that countries in Europe who will inevitably vote in extreme politicians this decade won't be me influencing our politics in the same way thanks to Brexit“
I think that’s why they formed the European Community in the first place. To prevent something like that from happening again. A peaceful, united and prosperous Europe was the aim I believe and it’s been largely that so far.
Of course the EU has grown into so much more than that and we have voted out but I wouldn’t presume that will protect us if somewhere like Italy defaults. Or that Britain is immune from producing it’s own extreme Politics/Politicians… |
I think he means that the UK has regained its sovereignty and therefore is no longer answerable to the EU. That being said, this doesn't completely immunise either the UK or the EU from major world events, as evidenced by the Ukraine war and subsequent cost of living pressures. | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:28 - Sep 6 with 2056 views | LythamR |
"Suggestions are Truss is going to announce a package worth 170 billion on Energy bill limits for people and small businesses. That is huge Weimar Republic vibes. Hyper inflation is coming to the UK"
Lizz Truss Day one 09:05 am
Cancel HS2. thats a bloody great chunk of the 170B covered right there. |  | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:43 - Sep 6 with 2017 views | bakerloo8 |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 13:51 - Sep 6 by Superhoop83 |
I've yet to meet a right wing person who is reluctant to share their views.
The idea that their views are marginalised is also ludicrous when the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph are out there peddling nationalism, hatred and lies. |
Of course the left wing media wouldn't dare think to make up stuff to further their agenda would they?
Some absolute one eyed tosh written on this thread. Embarrassing. |  | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:44 - Sep 6 with 2013 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:43 - Sep 6 by bakerloo8 |
Of course the left wing media wouldn't dare think to make up stuff to further their agenda would they?
Some absolute one eyed tosh written on this thread. Embarrassing. |
Could you give some examples? |  | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:02 - Sep 6 with 1961 views | Sonofpugwash |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 14:52 - Sep 6 by SheffieldHoop |
David Blunkett was my local MP when I moved to Sheffield and even he could see that EU membership was doing the area no good whatsoever. |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:18 - Sep 6 with 1928 views | Superhoop83 |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:43 - Sep 6 by bakerloo8 |
Of course the left wing media wouldn't dare think to make up stuff to further their agenda would they?
Some absolute one eyed tosh written on this thread. Embarrassing. |
My opinion - and it is only that - is that the Daily Mail and Daily Express are the most shamelessly biased and dishonest papers I have ever come across in the UK. They have identified their target audience and play to their every prejudice.
As for the "left wing media", the Guardian may give Johnson and the Tories a lot of stick but there are good reasons for that after 3 years of corruption and rank incompetence under Johnson. |  |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:26 - Sep 6 with 1899 views | daveB |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 16:43 - Sep 6 by paulparker |
Imagine how the Queen feels , she must be shaking her head in how mad the world has become
Her first prime minister was Churchill and her last Liz Truss !!! |
Theres still time for one more |  | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:27 - Sep 6 with 1893 views | daveB |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 17:43 - Sep 6 by bakerloo8 |
Of course the left wing media wouldn't dare think to make up stuff to further their agenda would they?
Some absolute one eyed tosh written on this thread. Embarrassing. |
Who is the left wing media anyway? Genuine Question
Is it the Mirror and Guardian plus Channel 4? | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:42 - Sep 6 with 1841 views | CamberleyR |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:18 - Sep 6 by Superhoop83 |
My opinion - and it is only that - is that the Daily Mail and Daily Express are the most shamelessly biased and dishonest papers I have ever come across in the UK. They have identified their target audience and play to their every prejudice.
As for the "left wing media", the Guardian may give Johnson and the Tories a lot of stick but there are good reasons for that after 3 years of corruption and rank incompetence under Johnson. |
The Daily Heil doesn't even make any pretence of actually reporting news any more, it's just a hateful propaganda sheet. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 18:43]
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 19:22 - Sep 6 with 1754 views | lightwaterhoop |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:27 - Sep 6 by daveB |
Who is the left wing media anyway? Genuine Question
Is it the Mirror and Guardian plus Channel 4? |
You forgot the BBC. | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 19:45 - Sep 6 with 1697 views | ShotKneesHoop |
Liz Truss is our local MP ……. and we know up here that she is totally useless.
Not interested in sport, beer, railways or pubs, so she’d never get my vote in a million years,
But she’s also useless and incompetent anyway, If Trump gets in again in the USA, then expect the UK to be peppered with golf courses, Budweiser and country clubs, instead of cricket clubs, real ale and proper pubs. |  |
| Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me! |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 19:48 - Sep 6 with 1685 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:42 - Sep 6 by CamberleyR |
The Daily Heil doesn't even make any pretence of actually reporting news any more, it's just a hateful propaganda sheet. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 18:43]
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Private Eye is the only paper to print the truth The establishment try to sue them ... but they cant. Because they are correct in what they print, | |
| Why does it feel like R'SWiPe is still on the books? Yer Couldn't Make It Up.Well Done Me! |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 20:46 - Sep 6 with 1618 views | texasranger |
I am an infrequent contributor to LFW but the level of many comments about the new PM and the method of her election is very disappointing to say the least. I would have thought that party MP's are in a far better position to judge a comrade's ability than a member of the public. The comparatively close result suggests two well qualified candidates. After all, think what the presidential voting system here in the States has produced, where the entire electorate vote for their choice. Given the chance, this lady might well turn things around. | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 20:54 - Sep 6 with 1596 views | colinallcars |
It's a shame these political threads become so unpleasant. It seems to get worse as time goes on. Of course it wasn't always sweetness and light in the past either. Nye Bevan called Tories vermin for opposing the founding of the NHS.
I remember canvassing for Dave Wetzel in the GLC elections in the early 80's. I arrived at the polling station to collect exit votes for Labour and the Tory collecting his,said, pinching his nose “ ugh, I think I detect the stench of the council estate. OK, I took it as a joke.
Although left of centre, I have friends that vote Tory. No problem, they just have a different angle on things. |  | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 21:16 - Sep 6 with 1552 views | distortR |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 18:02 - Sep 6 by Sonofpugwash |
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the patriarchy is nothing if not adaptable | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 21:28 - Sep 6 with 1514 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 20:54 - Sep 6 by colinallcars |
It's a shame these political threads become so unpleasant. It seems to get worse as time goes on. Of course it wasn't always sweetness and light in the past either. Nye Bevan called Tories vermin for opposing the founding of the NHS.
I remember canvassing for Dave Wetzel in the GLC elections in the early 80's. I arrived at the polling station to collect exit votes for Labour and the Tory collecting his,said, pinching his nose “ ugh, I think I detect the stench of the council estate. OK, I took it as a joke.
Although left of centre, I have friends that vote Tory. No problem, they just have a different angle on things. |
I think it's a shame too but the people being unpleasant know exactly what their doing. It's never real emotion. Same with politicians. | |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 21:42 - Sep 6 with 1469 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 19:22 - Sep 6 by lightwaterhoop |
You forgot the BBC. |
And Sky |  |
| "Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 22:09 - Sep 6 with 1412 views | colinallcars |
If they don't cap energy prices, I'll be OK, I have a collection of Tilley lamps from World War II. | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 23:17 - Sep 6 with 1314 views | LazyFan |
Labour is not Labour, it's back to New Labour.
Now right-wingers will say "yes but they won elections", this is very true. The problem is they continued the capitalist charge towards privatisation through hock PFI loans. PFI was a Tory invention dabbled with and accelerated with New Labour. New Labour also let the Bankers run riot, in the interests of not meddling with the markets (yet we taxpayers had to bail them out). From a socialist point of view, this means we got more Tories and not any change. So, if New Labour wins, then the socialists do not so, saying they won elections means nothing to the left if there is no socialist change. Quite handy if you don't like the Tories in their current state as you can get new different Tories instead with New Labour and still be capital safe.
Now one could say "the country won't vote for socialist policies look at Corbyn", but it was him not his policies, his image problem of looking "woke", when in fact he was very British, on his British bike, going down his British allotment making his British jam, doesn't get more old school British than that.
When his name was removed, his policies were very popular with the electorate. So, he was a weak leader, who failed to showcase the policies over his weakness. And instead, we got Boris who was proven to be a totally weak leader. The whole Tory party membership loves him, but the Tory MP's have been itching to get rid of him for ages, they hate him hard. That's the real reason he went, they have been after him for ages. This the Tory membership do not understand, the Tory MP's hate him, which is why the membership is all confused that he's gone and still wants him back.
Whereas Starmer is New Labour through and through, he has his cadre of Blairites in Streeting and Tammy. They have taken an iron grip on the party, lost money so, had to make redundancies (yet he wants to run the economy), watched membership fall by 100K (almost the entire size of the Tory party itself) and of course purged out any lefties in power positions in the party, in addition, I hear many rumours that they have expelled quite a few Jewish lefties too (more than under Corbyn). Anti-semitism is still rife in the Labour party, but it's only against leftist Jews apparently. You know what? They actually like this, as they want to turn the Labour party into another capitalist party and destroy socialism that way.
Starmer hates the Unions and if he ever got in power, he would face many strikes as Blair was able to keep them in check conceding one Union demand (minimum wage which Blairtes claim credit for) and by saying "do you want the Tories back?". But that trick can only be played once and it has already been played so, now the Unions are onto the Blairites and if they don't deliver (not just placate) then they will be into them hard.
Then Starmer will take em on to break em like Thatcher, problem is that will be where either he and the Blairites get removed from the party or the Unions form a new left and Labour will be dead. Either way, that reckoning is brewing, he thinks he can game it, but he cannot, capital (big business) will force him to take them on and the Unions expect him to do it now, even if he wins the battle, he still loses the war as the party membership leaves him. He's a walking disaster, you will see, the Labour party members do not want a Tory leader even if he presents himself as being some sort of lite-Tory.
All Truss has to do, to defeat Starmer is bail out the energy crises and spend on infrastructure. While this will create a massive debt, the word now coming out of right-wing media is "what's a few more billion now we are in debt anyway", yes that's what they are saying. Who said that? The political editor of the Sun.
Also, what the Tories are now saying is these new free-ports (their stunning economy saving growth idea), where tax breaks will be for so-called levelling up. You know some challenging places like Fife. Here is the thing though, what they have not told the Tory membership is that there will be unlimited immigration allowed (as it's a FREE PORT), which should drive the Pritti Patel fans absolutely bonkers. And then when they find out Truss is not really a Brexiter but actually a one-nation Tory who loves big business and capital, then it will be interesting to see what happens.
I expect more polarization in politics as these so-called centrists (really corporate capitalists) fail to deliver for the people of either political left or right (as their mission is to deliver to Big Business) and then people move away from the centre even more. I expect the Tory party to move to the right, even more and to have those NIMBY, pro-Brit, anti-immigration policies ramp up.
I expect Starmer to take on the left even more and eventually the left to stop being so shocked about it all and then take them back on, this will result in either Starmer being defeated and made to look a complete fool or he wins, grins hard and then the left leaves the party to start a new one, the right of the Labour Party remain saying they cannot win look at the SDP and then they learn the hard way in an election when that new party gets all the votes.
Then this limbo issue is settled once and for all, which is that 30% of the UK want socialism, 30% want small conservative capitalism and the rest don't know. No more moving away from that reality that really the British people don't want this so-called centre capitalism which no one except big business and the press wants. That's the reckoning that's coming. |  |
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| Liz Truss is the new PM on 23:21 - Sep 6 with 1303 views | SydneyRs |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 13:03 - Sep 6 by QPR_John |
“ Brexit probably would not have happened for a start ”.
Is that because Labour would have not have had a referendum or they would have ignored the result
Good point about the hard left and right [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 13:05]
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Referendum would not have happened. | | | |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 23:31 - Sep 6 with 1279 views | SydneyRs |
| Liz Truss is the new PM on 13:43 - Sep 6 by QPR_John |
Agree Cameron thought a referendum would put the question to bed for good. However the post I was replying to suggested there would not be Brexit if Labour had been in power so I simply asked the question. It is a bit odd though to suggest we should not have had a referendum in case the result was to leave. Are you saying our leaders knew best and the public should not have been asked. Maybe we should do away with elections. Let’s face it prior to the 2016 referendum we had never been given a chance to say whether we wanted to be in the EU or not. I remember way back when I voted to join the Common Market an entirely different entity. [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 13:44]
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No I don't think the public should have been asked. We live in a "democracy" where 40% of the vote gives a thumping majority in parliament, yet about 48% that voted against brexit are sneered at and told to "get over it, you lost".
The referendum was a bad idea because ultimately it was decided by racism. The difference was only a couple of percent one way rather than the other, Nobody can convince me that more than 2% of leave votes were not cast based on racism. You only had to see all the stuff on social media around that time. All the memes, sneering, everything in caps lock etc. Plenty I'm sure had more valid reasons, but that element was the difference between leave winning and losing.
It wasn't an informed vote, it was coloured by lies, nationalism and false promises. This outdated idea of empire Britain, so strong that it doesn't need anyone else. Nigel bloody Farage at the forefront ffs. You can't honestly say that the same number of people would have voted for it if they had any clue how it would actually turn out, which ironically a lot on the remain side accurately predicted.
But its done now so not much point arguing about it any more. IMHO its set the country back at least a decade, maybe more. | | | |
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