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at 15:33 30 May 2024
Cheers Baz same to you 
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at 13:46 30 May 2024
I don't really see this big divide between genuine and fraudulent claims, the issue is that people are perfectly entitled to claim benefits which they see as a more attractive option than working.
As I say if I lost my job I'd probably be tempted to do it myself, why bother with all the hassle and stress of working every day when I could instead just cut my outgoings a bit, get some benefits and spend my day playing with my son or walking my dog. Of course I'd still have to try and fit in my regular vandalism of high street shoe shops.
The lack of GP appointments is at least partly due to the increase in population and the lack of tax receipts due to the above problem. |
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at 11:35 30 May 2024
I think that's without pensions, it's about £260bn for both pensions and benefits, but there's also some benefits in the separate "protection" category, so about £150bn in benefits in total. |
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at 11:30 30 May 2024
Well financially there's not really a contest I don't think. Benefits bill is around £150bn a year and growing rapidly. Plus you've got the loss of productivity that isn't really taken into account and the endless population growth needed to solve the issue driving up housing costs which will make the problem worse in the long run as more people have to rely on housing benefits for somewhere to live.
Covid fraud was a total of £21bn for a one off event, which if you blame the Tories for will be solved in a couple of weeks when they get booted out. |
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at 11:17 30 May 2024
Well those are problems too, but I don't quite get your point. You agree something is a problem, but don't think we should talk about it as much as another unrelated problem?
No one has got particularly angry about it either, just pointing out how broken the system is. I even pointed out I don't blame the people doing it and would probably do exactly the same in their position. I find it odd that people get very agitated about someone pointing something out that they agree is probably true.
Covid fraud was a massive problem and there were lots of dodgy government contracts to mates as far as I can see, I'd like to see a lot of people do jail time over some of the stuff that happened. Also personally I feel the lockdowns were unnecessary and the government money splurge to make it happen was absurd and wide open to abuse, but it seemed to be very popular on here at the time. |
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at 10:13 30 May 2024
It doesn't have to add up to the party life does it?
It just has to be better than working a minimum wage job which would be the alternative for a lot of people who then think "fck that" and then you have mass immigration to fill the jobs that aren't worth doing for the locals.
Also benefits are inflation linked and most jobs are not, so more and more people are being dragged into "why bother" zone every year which makes this problem even worse.
A job has to pay significantly better than benefits to be worth doing, because the costs associated with working (work clothes, commuting costs, lunch out etc.) need to be deducted and more importantly 50 hours of your week doing something you probably don't like need to be rewarded. |
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at 09:36 30 May 2024
It's more than that though, you get housing benefit to pay your housing costs, council tax paid, PIP payments if you qualify, if you have children you can get child benefits and a huge number of those have SEN payments which are about another £500 a month each. Also winter fuel payments and lots other things you can apply for .
Altogether if you have a couple of kids and play the game right you are far better off than working a minimum wage job and have all your time to yourself to do what you want.
I don't blame them at all, if I lost my job I'll be doing exactly the same thing (especially during a Labour government) rather than working all hours to be worse off at the end of it. What's the point?
The system is completely broken and the numbers off work claiming incapacity is going up rapidly because of this. |
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at 17:21 29 May 2024
The EU was blamed for some stuff it shouldn't have been and Brexit is blamed for a lot that it shouldn't be as well, for example poor GDP growth when the UK has done better than most large countries in the EU. Where is this economic disaster happening exactly? All European countries are suffering at the moment.
The political class seem determined to have as high immigration as they possibly can regardless of who votes for what. The Tories got in after promising to reduce immigration to 10k and have had net immigration of 700k in one year! Same in Italy the "far right" got in purely to cut immigration and then immediately changed their minds once they were in and decided they wanted to increase it suddenly. Seems to be happening all over the Western world not just here, we can all speculate as to why. |
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at 09:36 29 May 2024
It seems anyone that deviates even slightly from 100% unthinkingly following the BBC/Guardian line is a far right conspiracy theorist that gets all their views from the Daily Mail or believes Russian disinformation.
It's depressing, but they genuinely do believe that unfortunately. |
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at 08:05 29 May 2024
I find the rhetoric around Brexit not being democratic completely bizarre. It got the most votes ever and biggest mandate in British political history.
People voted to leave the EU and for the politicians to negotiate the exit, the whole call for another referendum for different options was clearly to try and wangle a choice that was essentially little to no Brexit at all.
If they'd won the vote they'd be no calls for another referendum every time the terms changed with the EU for closer union which happened regularly for 40 years. The hypocrisy is ridiculous and particularly grating after 8 years of the same rhetoric repeated over and over again. |
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at 12:59 28 May 2024
Well ok they both broke the rules but leave also broke the law (I thought the rules were the law but ok).
Are you also prepared to admit the extra £9m remain got to spend off the books was unfair and undemocratic and more than negated the wrong doing of the leave side? |
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at 11:08 28 May 2024
Yes with high inflation more and more people are getting dragged into higher tax brackets by fiscal drag. The tax thresholds should be getting raised at the same rate as inflation for everyone, not just a select group.
Someone who earns only £12750 a year is going to have the same problem with paying more tax as someone on the state pension, but won't get anything from the government apparently.
If that isn't going to happen for whatever reason I don't agree that one group should get a preferential deal just because the government might have to do some extra administration to deal with it.
Edit: Just saw stowmarketranger already made the exact same point already  [Post edited 28 May 11:11]
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at 09:16 28 May 2024
Do the Tories want zero votes from anyone under 30? Maybe they have placed some bets they get under 1% of the vote for those groups.
Firstly they pretend to want to bring back national service. Today they want to give pensioners a larger tax free allowance that every one else. I'm sure the poor sods on the checkouts at Asda on minimum wage will be delighted that retired public sector workers on massive pensions will be paying less tax than they are. |
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Reply | Rumour Plymouth manager gone
at 08:59 24 May 2024
The complete state of him these days. I think to be a long term manager you need to keep yourself in decent physical condition to keep up with the workload and stress over the years.
Alex Ferguson still looked in good health well into his 70s, whereas Rooney looks like he's been a homeless bum for the last 20 years. Hard to imagine he was still playing professional sport only 3 years ago. |
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Reply | General Election Thread
at 09:37 23 May 2024
Tories need to go, completely useless:
Huge wasteful public spending leaving the country's finances almost as bad as when they took over
Dodgy covid deals/schemes costing billions upon billions (I remember when losing half a million was considered a resigning offence - now lose £50bn and it's no worries lads)
Housing crisis, 700k+ people extra every year and nowhere to put them after promising to cut immigration to 10k.
Fck all for young British people, but millions a day for young blokes who just arrived this week on a dinghy.
Locked down the country unnecessarily IMO (controversial I know)
Completely failed to deal with perverse incentives (with 2 kids in nursery it's actually better to earn £99k than £140k wtf?)
I can't imagine Labour will be any better on any of these things, so I guess I'll be voting for Count Binface |
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