| Cardiff Riots 06:48 - May 23 with 16436 views | 1983 |
Looks like the SWP had the balls to turn up at this riot.
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| Cardiff Riots on 13:46 - May 26 with 1297 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Riots on 11:51 - May 26 by controversial_jack |
I don't know! Simple question is , did the police lie initially? |
We could go on and on , were the police properly briefed before making that now infamous announcement . |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 16:28 - May 26 with 1242 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:34 - May 25 by britferry |
100% agree but why did the police & Alun Michael say what they said ? |
Because they are idiots who tried to defuse a situation with a lie instead of saying what should have been obvious, that these kids were being FOLLOWED because they were breaking the law.
You'd think the police would have enough experience of this to know better than to lie, they usually get caught. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:35 - May 26 with 1239 views | felixstowe_jack |
Drakeford really sinking to gutter level if he is blaming Westminster for what Happens in Ely. His is the Senedd member for Ely so if poverty is rife in his constituency then Welsh Labour, Drakeford and the Senedd are to blame . Wales has had devolution for 20 years and gets an extra £3000 per person. Has Drakeford spent this money wisely or is he driving tourist away, driving business across the border with his lack of investment in infrastructure | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 16:57 - May 26 with 1224 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:28 - May 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Because they are idiots who tried to defuse a situation with a lie instead of saying what should have been obvious, that these kids were being FOLLOWED because they were breaking the law.
You'd think the police would have enough experience of this to know better than to lie, they usually get caught. |
I’m afraid
Olive don’t help themselves mainly due to the carven nature of Chief Constables.
The PF also stands condemned as a lurid excuse for what they should be and that is to defend their members and ensure the Public get a fair deal.
By allowing rats to crawl all over decent people they effectively encourage disorder .
I know if no CC who would willingly stand up and call it as it is.
Decent folk want and deserve to be protected and that means if anyone is illegally on a public road causing mayhem then there are consequences .
Not one politician would stand up and be counted ,including Conservatives, the “ law and order party) …a sick joke . | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:00 - May 26 with 1194 views | controversial_jack |
Not condoning it, but it's the only way the authorities will take note | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:21 - May 26 with 1193 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:20 - May 26 by controversial_jack |
The police have admitted they were following the cycle. |
And there is nothing wrong in following the E bike, a police officer can follow and stop any vehicle to check the driver/riders documents and when they suspect an offence, when an offence has been committed.
The crux of the matter here is whether there was a pursuit - a follow is not a pursuit. A pursuit would typically take place after a car/ motor bike had failed to stop on request by police or made off from officers and the driver. I would doubt very much if an authorised pursuit had taken place as the police van and its driver are highly unlikely to fit the NPCC criteria for being pursuit authorised - which could be part of the confusion.
I think the police have handled the disclosures quite poorly, trust has been eroded and suspicion now lingers. We’ll have to see what comes out in the wash. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:00 - May 26 with 1166 views | Kilkennyjack |
The police almost certainly need to do better.
There are valid questions to answer about the actual policing.
There are valid questions to answer about an attempt to cover up, or not.
Lets see what the report says. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 08:02 - May 27 with 1123 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:00 - May 26 by controversial_jack |
Not condoning it, but it's the only way the authorities will take note |
One could always vote for a different political party. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:04 - May 27 with 1113 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:00 - May 26 by Kilkennyjack |
The police almost certainly need to do better.
There are valid questions to answer about the actual policing.
There are valid questions to answer about an attempt to cover up, or not.
Lets see what the report says. |
That is the most sense I've seen you post.
The police defintely need to do better. They need to be police again not social workers or therapists. They should enforce the law and the justice system should then punish criminals properly. Lock them up, give them help while inside yes, teach them new skills, get them trained so they can work when released but prison should be a hard time and they shoud be in no doubt that going back means a longer sentence no matter the crime. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:05 - May 27 with 1110 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:02 - May 27 by Whiterockin |
One could always vote for a different political party. |
The Police are independent of political parties.They have now admitted it was a pursuit | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:21 - May 27 with 1089 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:05 - May 27 by controversial_jack |
The Police are independent of political parties.They have now admitted it was a pursuit |
Where have you seen that? I can't find it anywhere and it looks like a lie to me, feel free to prove me wrong.
I saw this.
Following the vigil, Harvey Evans's great-uncle, John O'Driscoll, said he accepted Monday's riot was wrong but said it was borne of frustration.
Mr O'Driscoll said: "They were just young boys. Everyone rides bikes and scooters around here.
"Yes, we find them annoying, but that's just what they do.
"But as soon as those coppers saw they had no helmets they should've stopped."
The reason why the police were following then was most likely because they weren't wearing helmets.
And the police said,
On Wednesday, South Wales Police confirmed its officers had been following the teenagers prior to their deaths, but refused to answer further questions about it, citing an ongoing IOPC investigation.
CCTV is being gathered and the investigating officers are reviewing initial accounts from the police officers involved.
So plese do tell, where and when have the police admitted it was a pursuit? | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:08 - May 27 with 1062 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:20 - May 26 by controversial_jack |
The police have admitted they were following the cycle. |
Makes you wonder why the boys were fleeing the Police at high speed if they were doing no wrong.
Seems the parents were equally irresponsible buy the lad a motorised bike he could not control. Wonder why the did not buy them crash or cycling helmets? | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 10:56 - May 27 with 1035 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:08 - May 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Makes you wonder why the boys were fleeing the Police at high speed if they were doing no wrong.
Seems the parents were equally irresponsible buy the lad a motorised bike he could not control. Wonder why the did not buy them crash or cycling helmets? |
Because it’s never Nona happen to them.
If it does,they blame Police or anyone else except for themselves | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 11:45 - May 27 with 1009 views | Gwyn737 |
I must have led a very sheltered life.
I have no idea what all this animosity towards the police is about 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 11:52 - May 27 with 1005 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 11:45 - May 27 by Gwyn737 |
I must have led a very sheltered life.
I have no idea what all this animosity towards the police is about 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |
No mate you live a normal life and probably well brought up. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 11:56 - May 27 with 999 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 11:45 - May 27 by Gwyn737 |
I must have led a very sheltered life.
I have no idea what all this animosity towards the police is about 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |
You have led a sheltered life | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:30 - May 27 with 940 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s his constituency in the country he is first minister of the blithering idiot. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 15:39 - May 27 with 935 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:30 - May 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s his constituency in the country he is first minister of the blithering idiot. |
We know the drill by now, when anything goes wrong in Wales it's all Westminsters fault. That is Drakefords line every time.
it's always big bad Westminster never mind we've had 20 years of Welsh Labour in the Senedd.
It seems to me that if the Senedd have such little influence then what is the point of them? | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:37 - May 27 with 883 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I know it’s fashionable to bash the police and there certainly have been times they probably have deserved it to an extent but I can’t fathom at all what on earth they are meant to have done wrong in this instance.
It’s a tragic accident. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 20:56 - May 27 with 826 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:37 - May 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I know it’s fashionable to bash the police and there certainly have been times they probably have deserved it to an extent but I can’t fathom at all what on earth they are meant to have done wrong in this instance.
It’s a tragic accident. |
Maybe, but why did the Police, allegedly lie? Nobody can or will not answer this
The job of the police is to protect the people and property. It's the only job they have.They have no purpose other than this | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:00 - May 27 with 825 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 15:39 - May 27 by SullutaCreturned |
We know the drill by now, when anything goes wrong in Wales it's all Westminsters fault. That is Drakefords line every time.
it's always big bad Westminster never mind we've had 20 years of Welsh Labour in the Senedd.
It seems to me that if the Senedd have such little influence then what is the point of them? |
Aspects of what Drakeford said are correct, the 13 years of decline in living standards and public services, that said, what happened is in excusable in Ely.
Fingers being pointed at the police and they hav3 questions to answer, but the family have given a 15 year old boy a E bike which he has then used illegally on the road. Had he not had the bike or its use was confined to private land who knows….
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 27 with 806 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:00 - May 27 by majorraglan |
Aspects of what Drakeford said are correct, the 13 years of decline in living standards and public services, that said, what happened is in excusable in Ely.
Fingers being pointed at the police and they hav3 questions to answer, but the family have given a 15 year old boy a E bike which he has then used illegally on the road. Had he not had the bike or its use was confined to private land who knows….
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The family gave him the bike as an early 16th birthday present. Sadly he died using it. The family are looking for someone to blame as people always seem to do. I can understand it, but it doesn't make it right. People should stop trying to score points and wait for the inquest/ inquiry results. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:10 - May 27 with 798 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:00 - May 27 by majorraglan |
Aspects of what Drakeford said are correct, the 13 years of decline in living standards and public services, that said, what happened is in excusable in Ely.
Fingers being pointed at the police and they hav3 questions to answer, but the family have given a 15 year old boy a E bike which he has then used illegally on the road. Had he not had the bike or its use was confined to private land who knows….
Edit - typo [Post edited 27 May 2023 21:32]
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There is something I do know, if that boy hadn'r been given the bike him and his mate couldn't have died riding it.
Maybe they both would have died some other way the same day, maybe when it's your time there is no escape, who knows. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:28 - May 27 with 780 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 27 by Whiterockin |
The family gave him the bike as an early 16th birthday present. Sadly he died using it. The family are looking for someone to blame as people always seem to do. I can understand it, but it doesn't make it right. People should stop trying to score points and wait for the inquest/ inquiry results. |
These machines like most /all vehicles are lethal potentially.
A present ffs | |
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