| Budget? 08:32 - Feb 15 with 3703 views | davman |
So in the WLS piece from the manager after yesterday's sh1tshow, as well as the injuries, he also says that we have the second lowest budget in the league.
If that is the case how have we managed to spend so much on Kone, Poku, Burrell, Saito and most of all, Edwards?
If we really have the lowest budget, have spunked the Eze money on that lot, who haven't moved the performance dial and have not (with the possible exception of Burrell) increased in value, we are sooooo fckd long term again.
Let's talk Edwards, because someone has to say it. £4.5m in a position where it appears temporarily at least that we have JCS, Cook, Dunne and Edwards to slot in to two positions because there is no way our illustrious manager would contemplate going to a back 3. Until yesterday, Cook and Dunne were undroppable, neaning that there was no place in our starting xi for our £4.5m signing.
Imbalanced does not even start to describe it.
Then there is our recruitment strategy. Buy young and cheap, sell on is the model and that is the right one, but if you buy crocks, they will devalue rather than increase in value. And throwing in Development kids that have not been prepared by a L1 / L2 season or half season long loan will give you Bennie, Kolli, Morgan, Esquerdinha, etc. - like Sinclair Armstrong before them, mismanaged development because our squad needs them from the bench because we have no-one else.
I am psd off after yesterday and because I got heckled by a Chel** / Bromley fan this week and I can see Bromley, my local Pyramid Level 7/8 growing up overtaking us soon and I am utterly flabbergasted how poor we are as a club right now. |  |
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| Budget? on 09:03 - Feb 15 with 3049 views | MikeyG85 |
This is from October and we are 17th. We really need to stop playing the budget card. We are the 9th highest spenders, 15 million on a squad that finished lower mid table in a more challenging league last season.
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| Budget? on 09:05 - Feb 15 with 3041 views | bosh67 |
I think he means wage budget? That seems to be the case in some articles I've read elsewhere. |  |
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| Budget? on 09:10 - Feb 15 with 2993 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Budget? on 09:03 - Feb 15 by MikeyG85 |
This is from October and we are 17th. We really need to stop playing the budget card. We are the 9th highest spenders, 15 million on a squad that finished lower mid table in a more challenging league last season.
https://footballleagueworld.co |
Assuming that article is accurate, there are three teams with a similar wage bill in the top six. Obviously, the parachute teams start with an advantage but there's nothing we can do about that. And as you say, we've spent a decent amount of money in the last year.
While we've made some good signings, the squad is still unbalanced and it'll be interesting to see how much we have left to rectify that. | | | |
| Budget? on 09:47 - Feb 15 with 2918 views | HammersmithR |
| Budget? on 09:10 - Feb 15 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Assuming that article is accurate, there are three teams with a similar wage bill in the top six. Obviously, the parachute teams start with an advantage but there's nothing we can do about that. And as you say, we've spent a decent amount of money in the last year.
While we've made some good signings, the squad is still unbalanced and it'll be interesting to see how much we have left to rectify that. |
Nourry confirmed in his Q and A that the budget is based on income from last season. Eze money has come this season so will go into the budget for next season. I think the squad is very unbalanced. We have this obsession with buying small players. Look how Saito was outmuscled for their 2nd goal. Is happening every week. We also have an obsession of playing centre backs at right back. We get rid of Frey and replace him with someone who is injured. We signed Vale last January and he didn’t play until the following season. We seem to be running out of centre mids and send a good one out on loan. | | | |
| Budget? on 09:53 - Feb 15 with 2892 views | MikeyG85 |
Positive to hear the Eze money comes into play next year. Will we actually sign the right players is the question ha. [Post edited 15 Feb 9:54]
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| Budget? on 10:04 - Feb 15 with 2822 views | PlanetHonneywood |
@ Davman
I think the RE signing was solid. SC is extremely unlikely to remain after this season (age/wages) and as for JCS, not sure when his deal is up, but you just can't rely on the poor lad anymore.
We've then got LM returning. Jury out for some, does pick up knocks, but a sustained period of games might help. I'm hoping TA pushes on and then we've got TS as well. Both of these are very raw and very untried.
So getting RE in now before we might have been beaten to him, made sense in my book. |  |
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| Budget? on 10:17 - Feb 15 with 2768 views | dmm |
How would any manager know the details of other teams' current budgets? |  | | |
| Budget? on 10:32 - Feb 15 with 2682 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Budget? on 10:17 - Feb 15 by dmm |
How would any manager know the details of other teams' current budgets? |
They read this… https://footballleagueworld.co |  |
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| Budget? on 10:48 - Feb 15 with 2632 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Budget? on 10:17 - Feb 15 by dmm |
How would any manager know the details of other teams' current budgets? |
Mate, we have individual posters here 'convinced' they know the wages of individual players so it cannot be that hard!! |  | | |
| Budget? on 11:59 - Feb 15 with 2527 views | davman |
| Budget? on 10:04 - Feb 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
@ Davman
I think the RE signing was solid. SC is extremely unlikely to remain after this season (age/wages) and as for JCS, not sure when his deal is up, but you just can't rely on the poor lad anymore.
We've then got LM returning. Jury out for some, does pick up knocks, but a sustained period of games might help. I'm hoping TA pushes on and then we've got TS as well. Both of these are very raw and very untried.
So getting RE in now before we might have been beaten to him, made sense in my book. |
I absolutely get that, mate, but £4.5m???
If we can't afford it, we shouldn't be shelling it out in my view. We have FOUR CBs for two places (which would be FIVE if Morrison did not demand a move) ONE fit and able no. 9, ONE fit creative midfielder and TWO wingers, so prorities elsewhere.
Maybe long term, you are right, there is logic, but binning this season off in January seems odd.
By the way, Ronnie is an absolute Rolls-Royce, but whilst I could mortgage my house to get one, I realise that I can't really afford one, so don't have one.
Just venting 'cos this season promised a lot, but is turning into the typical sh1t of recent times. [Post edited 15 Feb 12:01]
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| Budget? on 13:34 - Feb 15 with 2350 views | kensalriser |
You wouldn't think it judging by all the catastrophising, but excluding the promotion seasons we are doing better at this stage of this season than every season in the past twelve barring 21/22. |  |
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| Budget? on 15:18 - Feb 15 with 2229 views | dannyblue |
I think Capology, on which those wage numbers are based, is BS.
I don't believe for a second that Kolli is on £26k pa, that Ben Hamer is on the same as Richard Kone, that Varane is on less than 2/3 what Esq is on, or that JCS is on less than Poku...Or that Edwards, Saito, and Poku only have 1 year left on their contracts. [Post edited 15 Feb 15:46]
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| Budget? on 15:37 - Feb 15 with 2180 views | davman |
| Budget? on 13:34 - Feb 15 by kensalriser |
You wouldn't think it judging by all the catastrophising, but excluding the promotion seasons we are doing better at this stage of this season than every season in the past twelve barring 21/22. |
The trajectory says that we're gravitating into the bottom half yet again though... | |
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| Budget? on 10:30 - Feb 16 with 1859 views | daveB |
Clubs do a good job of hiding so much it's always hard to tell whats true and what is bullshit.
I don't pretend to know exactly how much we spend but if you look across the league you'd think budget and spend wise we should be on a par with Millwall.
If you look at them they have been in the championship for 7 years, they have finished above us in every season apart from 2020/21 when we finished 2 places and 6 points ahead of them.
This year they are right in the race for top 2 let alone the playoffs so why can they do this better than us every season? Easy answer is Steve Gallen but he's not been there the whole time, they were outperforming us before he joined.
They don't have a genius with secret labs like Brighton and Brentford, they sign good players for cheap and sell them on for good money whilst employing good managers but the end game isn't to sell people it's to have a good football team. When you do that you are high up the league, you have good players and other clubs will want them.
We make it all sound so difficult but on the list of things we want to achieve I always think having a good team now is quite low down on the list from people running the club and that is not new it was the same under les.
Flavio was a lunatic but his aim was always have the best QPR team possible and be winners rather than sell someone for big money.
Nourry and his main supporters bang on about how much the club has changed, how much better it is with more development etc. 9 years ago in 2016/17 we started to see a bit of what Ferdinand was trying to do. We had signed a lot of crap but also had some prospects who would go on to get money for or would be regulars for us for a few years, Smithies, Chery, Hall, Luongo, Furlong, Freeman, Manning, Chair and Eze.
2017/18 we added Bright and Smyth to that list
I mentioned this because I look at our squad now and I'm not sure things are hugely different. Some good promising players we might get a few quid for but enough to put a team together to achieve anything or enough to get big money? I'm not really convinced at the moment. It just feels like more of the same to me and that I've seen this all before.
This isn't meant as a dig at Nourry or anyone really, I'm just not sure we've got our priorities right. |  | | |
| Budget? on 10:39 - Feb 16 with 1803 views | dmm |
Good post daveB. I think a strong driver behind how QPR seeks to operate is summed up in the term 'Sustainability'. In other words, the club financially standing on its own two feet, and that would understandably come from the owners. But, as your post sort of suggests, some consequences may not always be good for the team. | | | |
| Budget? on 10:55 - Feb 16 with 1750 views | Lblock |
| Budget? on 11:59 - Feb 15 by davman |
I absolutely get that, mate, but £4.5m???
If we can't afford it, we shouldn't be shelling it out in my view. We have FOUR CBs for two places (which would be FIVE if Morrison did not demand a move) ONE fit and able no. 9, ONE fit creative midfielder and TWO wingers, so prorities elsewhere.
Maybe long term, you are right, there is logic, but binning this season off in January seems odd.
By the way, Ronnie is an absolute Rolls-Royce, but whilst I could mortgage my house to get one, I realise that I can't really afford one, so don't have one.
Just venting 'cos this season promised a lot, but is turning into the typical sh1t of recent times. [Post edited 15 Feb 12:01]
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Serious question here as I didn't watch the whole game but.... that fit and able Number 9 - how many shots did he have on / off target on Saturday?
I did see one which sort of came at him quick in six yard box early on and it went straight at keeper who knew nothing about it.
I'd also chill out on the signings.
The Surfing Championships are due on Bondi Beach end of this week and there's bound to be some athletic Aussies who catch Nourry's eye (as long as the right Agent has 'em of course).
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| Budget? on 11:08 - Feb 16 with 1704 views | Lblock |
| Budget? on 10:30 - Feb 16 by daveB |
Clubs do a good job of hiding so much it's always hard to tell whats true and what is bullshit.
I don't pretend to know exactly how much we spend but if you look across the league you'd think budget and spend wise we should be on a par with Millwall.
If you look at them they have been in the championship for 7 years, they have finished above us in every season apart from 2020/21 when we finished 2 places and 6 points ahead of them.
This year they are right in the race for top 2 let alone the playoffs so why can they do this better than us every season? Easy answer is Steve Gallen but he's not been there the whole time, they were outperforming us before he joined.
They don't have a genius with secret labs like Brighton and Brentford, they sign good players for cheap and sell them on for good money whilst employing good managers but the end game isn't to sell people it's to have a good football team. When you do that you are high up the league, you have good players and other clubs will want them.
We make it all sound so difficult but on the list of things we want to achieve I always think having a good team now is quite low down on the list from people running the club and that is not new it was the same under les.
Flavio was a lunatic but his aim was always have the best QPR team possible and be winners rather than sell someone for big money.
Nourry and his main supporters bang on about how much the club has changed, how much better it is with more development etc. 9 years ago in 2016/17 we started to see a bit of what Ferdinand was trying to do. We had signed a lot of crap but also had some prospects who would go on to get money for or would be regulars for us for a few years, Smithies, Chery, Hall, Luongo, Furlong, Freeman, Manning, Chair and Eze.
2017/18 we added Bright and Smyth to that list
I mentioned this because I look at our squad now and I'm not sure things are hugely different. Some good promising players we might get a few quid for but enough to put a team together to achieve anything or enough to get big money? I'm not really convinced at the moment. It just feels like more of the same to me and that I've seen this all before.
This isn't meant as a dig at Nourry or anyone really, I'm just not sure we've got our priorities right. |
Bang on.
There's no real plan for Championship success - it's all about being a shop window and, frankly, that is a heap of bollox and will get you out of this Division but not via the route you'd want.
I make the point again about Steve Cook, but also Sam Field. Estbalished and experienced pro's at this level but the club has had active agenda's to bin them out in favour of fast tracking shiney new things. Madness! You need that 50/50 blend both on matchday and also throughout the week.
Personally, I am amazed that Novice Park Rangers has done as well as it has this season and it's nothing short of miraculous that we stayed up in previous seasons. This one I'd put it down to the absolute dirge and mentalness of the whole set...... we've got a Chef Weds, huge under performance of the parachute clubs, points deductions for others, some clubs with owners more barmy than ours and it's a real Wacky Racers of a Division. That alone is frustrating as with a more balanced and fit squad with a Haed Coach who knew the ropes we should be in top six with our spend(s) over last couple of windows.
Unfortuantely it's another box of frogs approach with inexperienced people doing things to their own agenda(s)
QPR innit........... | |
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| Budget? on 11:33 - Feb 16 with 1593 views | wombat |
| Budget? on 11:08 - Feb 16 by Lblock |
Bang on.
There's no real plan for Championship success - it's all about being a shop window and, frankly, that is a heap of bollox and will get you out of this Division but not via the route you'd want.
I make the point again about Steve Cook, but also Sam Field. Estbalished and experienced pro's at this level but the club has had active agenda's to bin them out in favour of fast tracking shiney new things. Madness! You need that 50/50 blend both on matchday and also throughout the week.
Personally, I am amazed that Novice Park Rangers has done as well as it has this season and it's nothing short of miraculous that we stayed up in previous seasons. This one I'd put it down to the absolute dirge and mentalness of the whole set...... we've got a Chef Weds, huge under performance of the parachute clubs, points deductions for others, some clubs with owners more barmy than ours and it's a real Wacky Racers of a Division. That alone is frustrating as with a more balanced and fit squad with a Haed Coach who knew the ropes we should be in top six with our spend(s) over last couple of windows.
Unfortuantely it's another box of frogs approach with inexperienced people doing things to their own agenda(s)
QPR innit........... |
Anohter box of frogs ?
does that mean another French manager is incoming ?
the whole set up is WRONG everyone reports to nourry whos experinece in running a company is zero
his expereince in running a football club is ZERO, yet hes set up a system that everyone reports to him , as clive would say come on we have all had a drink.
in all the years we seem to find a totally new way of screwing things up but this present set up will be hard to beat . |  |
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| Budget? on 11:54 - Feb 16 with 1542 views | kensalriser |
| Budget? on 15:37 - Feb 15 by davman |
The trajectory says that we're gravitating into the bottom half yet again though... |
We're already in the bottom half...as we usually are. | |
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| Budget? on 12:44 - Feb 17 with 1237 views | JamesB1979 |
Managers only start talking about “low budgets” when they know they are underperforming and need to ensure fans are accepting of this underperformance. He’s basically saying we should be happy being 21st at the end of the season. We all see the next 6 games and he knows it’s going to be difficult to get any points from them…..so best for him to get the excuses in now.
It may not be a great squad but it’s certainly better than Ainsworth and Marti had at their disposal. We also have injuries but so did Ainsworth and Marti! | | | |
| Budget? on 14:15 - Feb 17 with 1115 views | TK1 |
| Budget? on 13:34 - Feb 15 by kensalriser |
You wouldn't think it judging by all the catastrophising, but excluding the promotion seasons we are doing better at this stage of this season than every season in the past twelve barring 21/22. |
This is true. Here are our last ten seasons on February 20th in the Championship, with our eventual position in brackets.
QPR on February 20th in..
2016 : 14th (finished 12th)
2017: 16th (18th)
2018: 15th (16th)
2019: 19th (19th)
2020: 16th (13th)
2021: 13th (9th)
2022: 4th (11th)
2023: 17th (20th)
2024: 22nd (18th)
2025: 13th (15th)
February 17 2026: 13th...where will we finish?
The big difference is in the last nine months QPR have spent £13m in transfer fees, bringing in £3.5m for Kelman.
I doubt we spent anywhere near that in any two year period on un-recouped transfer fees in the last decade. So, there's more pressure now to get a bit higher, as is to be expected and as Warburton discovered to his cost (as all associated did, in fact, other than Hoos, who got a cosy promotion. Amazing)
Injuries insist that that higher position may be hard this year. Fair enough. I do think if we are here again next February three years into this project's un-recouped spending, questions will become much more pointed.
It's not "catastrophising". It's just wondering what consists failure and success now. Is being 13th in 2026? Yeah, maybe, nearly, if we don't implode. In 2027, though...? | | | |
| Budget? on 14:33 - Feb 17 with 1053 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Budget? on 14:15 - Feb 17 by TK1 |
This is true. Here are our last ten seasons on February 20th in the Championship, with our eventual position in brackets.
QPR on February 20th in..
2016 : 14th (finished 12th)
2017: 16th (18th)
2018: 15th (16th)
2019: 19th (19th)
2020: 16th (13th)
2021: 13th (9th)
2022: 4th (11th)
2023: 17th (20th)
2024: 22nd (18th)
2025: 13th (15th)
February 17 2026: 13th...where will we finish?
The big difference is in the last nine months QPR have spent £13m in transfer fees, bringing in £3.5m for Kelman.
I doubt we spent anywhere near that in any two year period on un-recouped transfer fees in the last decade. So, there's more pressure now to get a bit higher, as is to be expected and as Warburton discovered to his cost (as all associated did, in fact, other than Hoos, who got a cosy promotion. Amazing)
Injuries insist that that higher position may be hard this year. Fair enough. I do think if we are here again next February three years into this project's un-recouped spending, questions will become much more pointed.
It's not "catastrophising". It's just wondering what consists failure and success now. Is being 13th in 2026? Yeah, maybe, nearly, if we don't implode. In 2027, though...? |
It's very rare for our club to advertise what the goals are for any specific year isn't it?
I can remember the club saying the aim is to avoid relegation a few times.
I can even remember Warburton declaring a tilt at the playoffs.
But, I think the aims are slightly different now. If I had to guess its still
* Avoid Relegation
Then its
* Give minutes to younger players to improve their value.
* Sell your best player/s
* Sell / Release older players with no resale value on higher contracts
* Buy cheaper prospects on low wages
Rinse and repeat etc..
Bit grim to watch all of that. Does the club keep on trying to do this in the hope we become one of the 5% of football league clubs that actually make money?
I dunno?
I guess having the training ground is a massive tick in the box, moving it to Cat 1 would be great again. Finding another Eze would be the dream? |  | | |
| Budget? on 20:08 - Feb 17 with 879 views | BrianWilson |
Maybe he menas 2nd lowest physio budget or pitch budget? |  |
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| Budget? on 21:11 - Feb 17 with 784 views | Hunterhoop |
| Budget? on 14:33 - Feb 17 by nick_hammersmith |
It's very rare for our club to advertise what the goals are for any specific year isn't it?
I can remember the club saying the aim is to avoid relegation a few times.
I can even remember Warburton declaring a tilt at the playoffs.
But, I think the aims are slightly different now. If I had to guess its still
* Avoid Relegation
Then its
* Give minutes to younger players to improve their value.
* Sell your best player/s
* Sell / Release older players with no resale value on higher contracts
* Buy cheaper prospects on low wages
Rinse and repeat etc..
Bit grim to watch all of that. Does the club keep on trying to do this in the hope we become one of the 5% of football league clubs that actually make money?
I dunno?
I guess having the training ground is a massive tick in the box, moving it to Cat 1 would be great again. Finding another Eze would be the dream? |
The internal target/expectation was to finish top half this season. That’s why I was told by someone at the club. What I was told may not be true, of course. Or it may have been a personal expectation not a club wide one. It rang true at the time. Given we finished 15th last season, an improvement of 3 positions in a 24 team league is hardly overly ambitious, is it, especially given we have spent £25m over this season and the last one?
Personally, I think it was true, and I think the target next year is play offs. A lot might depend on what money there is in the summer to reinvest based on who we sell for what and how much of the Eze money is still to be spent. [Post edited 17 Feb 21:11]
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| Budget? on 02:47 - Feb 18 with 563 views | numptydumpty |
Yes we have spent more recently and on top form our overall squad depth is decent.
However, the MAIN ISSUE is we have signed so many players with KNOWN INJURIES
If we can unearth decent prospects that dont get INJURED in PRE MATCH WARM UPS or in TRAINING SESSIONS, that would be progress...
The amount of injuries recently is ABSOLUTELY FRICKING NUTS !! |  |
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