| Scientists and Covid 21:33 - Sep 24 with 1566 views | DorsetIan |
For anyone wanting to get into some of the serious scientific debate around the appropriate response to Covid, this is very good.
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-open-letter-on-covid-19-st
It links through to the recent 'open letter' signed by a large number of UK scientists, asking the government for a more targeted approach, but then includes a number of critical responses to that.
More than one view represented here, and no axe being ground by me. |  |
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| Scientists and Covid on 10:19 - Sep 25 with 1432 views | Sadoldgit |
A good read. We were told early on that the way forward was to implement a test, track and trace system. To be effective it needed to be in place before the expected second wave and yet here we are, watching the second wave hit, and no proper workable system in place let alone the “world beating” one promised months ago. If the billions spent (and in many cases wasted) in shoring up the economy had been invested a decent system through the NHS we wouldn’t need to worry about a second lockdown with all of its attendant problems. We are told that decisions have been made by listening to experts. I wonder which experts suggested that we used untried and inexperienced outside agencies for our world beating test, track and trace system?
When the history of the pandemic is written it will make for very sobering reading and probably be future required reading for how not to handle a pandemic.
One major success was the initial lockdown period over the summer which bought us time to regroup and to put plans in plans to deal with the expected rise in cases in the autumn and winter. The fact that we still do not have a workable test, track and trace system in place and still seem to be apply weekly strategies by the seat of our pants looks to be grossly (and possibly criminally, given another rising spike in the death rates) negligent.
Things have moved way past political point scoring. This affects every single one of us both in terms in our physical health, our mental health and our economic health both now and for years to come. It needs to be handled much better than it has been so far. There is no point in talking to experts if you don’t listen to them. There is no point in having nationwide health organisations if you don’t use and fund them properly. We have the structures and the expertise in place already. We should start by replacing the people in cabinet who have failed miserably with those who are capable and stop passing on huge contracts and vast amounts of public money to “mates”.
Why is Matt Hancock still in post for example? I would say that he is the Pellegrino of cabinet ministers, but at least Pellegrino won the occasional match.
Is it really too much to ask of those elected to provide, now, a clear, well thought out, coherent strategy for dealing with the virus for the foreseeable future and to have in place a functioning test, track and trace system? Apparently so. |  | | |
| Scientists and Covid on 10:42 - Sep 25 with 1418 views | dwayne_dibley |
why would the Establishment lift a finger as the virus was designed to clean out the lower social classes, the infirm and the elderly in order to reduce public spending and boost balance sheets |  |
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| Scientists and Covid on 12:47 - Sep 25 with 1372 views | saint22 |
Don't go posting sensible fact based reports here, all i need to know is what BoJo the Clown and his ship of fools say | | | |
| Scientists and Covid on 12:59 - Sep 25 with 1363 views | Messysaints |
| Scientists and Covid on 10:19 - Sep 25 by Sadoldgit |
A good read. We were told early on that the way forward was to implement a test, track and trace system. To be effective it needed to be in place before the expected second wave and yet here we are, watching the second wave hit, and no proper workable system in place let alone the “world beating” one promised months ago. If the billions spent (and in many cases wasted) in shoring up the economy had been invested a decent system through the NHS we wouldn’t need to worry about a second lockdown with all of its attendant problems. We are told that decisions have been made by listening to experts. I wonder which experts suggested that we used untried and inexperienced outside agencies for our world beating test, track and trace system?
When the history of the pandemic is written it will make for very sobering reading and probably be future required reading for how not to handle a pandemic.
One major success was the initial lockdown period over the summer which bought us time to regroup and to put plans in plans to deal with the expected rise in cases in the autumn and winter. The fact that we still do not have a workable test, track and trace system in place and still seem to be apply weekly strategies by the seat of our pants looks to be grossly (and possibly criminally, given another rising spike in the death rates) negligent.
Things have moved way past political point scoring. This affects every single one of us both in terms in our physical health, our mental health and our economic health both now and for years to come. It needs to be handled much better than it has been so far. There is no point in talking to experts if you don’t listen to them. There is no point in having nationwide health organisations if you don’t use and fund them properly. We have the structures and the expertise in place already. We should start by replacing the people in cabinet who have failed miserably with those who are capable and stop passing on huge contracts and vast amounts of public money to “mates”.
Why is Matt Hancock still in post for example? I would say that he is the Pellegrino of cabinet ministers, but at least Pellegrino won the occasional match.
Is it really too much to ask of those elected to provide, now, a clear, well thought out, coherent strategy for dealing with the virus for the foreseeable future and to have in place a functioning test, track and trace system? Apparently so. |
i would put it down to the population not following simple rules like no gatherings and partys and visits to the beach or long drives accross the uk to go to a 2nd home and blah blah blah blah blah... we was told what to do but ppl have not listend and are still not listening now......... | | | |
| Scientists and Covid on 13:11 - Sep 25 with 1350 views | Sadoldgit |
I agree that obeying the rules helps (are you listening Cummings?), but that doesnt excuse the lace of a workable testing system, the criminal neglect in putting untested people into care homes, the slowness in reacting to bringing in basic protective measures like wearing face masks etc. From the start the messages have often been mixed, confusing and changed within a short period. Over six months down the line and actions seem to be mostly reactive. This government have been very quick to pass the buck and lay blame elsewhere, yet many of the cabinet managed to get themselves infected by not even following their own rules! | | | |
| Scientists and Covid on 18:12 - Sep 25 with 1155 views | Ron11 |
Regarding the 2019 National Security Risk assessment, Patrick Vallance highlighted an impending pandemic and recommended preparations for vaccine stocks and research.
At the same time he chose not to divulge his £600,000 share investment in Glaxo Smith Cline who, (strangely enough) are involved in the race to produce a Covid 19 vaccine.
If successful, this would of course make hime a lot more than a few quid.
Would it not be in his own personal interest to advocate a 'gloom and doom scenario' in a bid to accelerate the research and implementation of a Covid vaccine?
Of course not....but it still stinks. | | | |
| Scientists and Covid on 09:00 - Sep 26 with 1067 views | dwayne_dibley |
| Scientists and Covid on 18:12 - Sep 25 by Ron11 |
Regarding the 2019 National Security Risk assessment, Patrick Vallance highlighted an impending pandemic and recommended preparations for vaccine stocks and research.
At the same time he chose not to divulge his £600,000 share investment in Glaxo Smith Cline who, (strangely enough) are involved in the race to produce a Covid 19 vaccine.
If successful, this would of course make hime a lot more than a few quid.
Would it not be in his own personal interest to advocate a 'gloom and doom scenario' in a bid to accelerate the research and implementation of a Covid vaccine?
Of course not....but it still stinks. |
all the piggies have their nose in the trough
you only need to look at what members of the Establishment are prospering as the virus wipes out competitors | |
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| Scientists and Covid on 10:05 - Sep 26 with 1045 views | kernow |
| Scientists and Covid on 09:00 - Sep 26 by dwayne_dibley |
all the piggies have their nose in the trough
you only need to look at what members of the Establishment are prospering as the virus wipes out competitors |
Is this the same GSK, with HQ at Barnard Castle, who signed a deal with HMG three days after a certain individual drove there to test his eyesight? | | | |
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| Scientists and Covid on 10:28 - Sep 26 with 1030 views | dwayne_dibley |
| Scientists and Covid on 10:05 - Sep 26 by kernow |
Is this the same GSK, with HQ at Barnard Castle, who signed a deal with HMG three days after a certain individual drove there to test his eyesight? |
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