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VAR & Handball 09:29 - Feb 15 with 2476 views

How is this mess rectified? Not just us, although we have been shafted recently but plenty of teams have too

How about ANY handball in the area, seen and given or not by the ref, but checked by VAR then needs the referee to go and review on the pitchside monitor to either make a decision or re-evaluate his original decision
That way its the on field official making the final call and he can explain it to the players IE yesterday Graham Twott would have given his reason for awarding the penalty against Bertrand, however he would also then have HAD to review the Dendoncker handball and decide whether to award or not on the basis of the first one?

Make sense? Or make it worse?

VAR & Handball on 10:22 - Feb 21 with 410 views

DorsetIan

VAR & Handball on 21:18 - Feb 20 by Messysaints
being level isnt offside, think you should go read the law on it, it clearly says A player is not in an offside position if level with the: second-last opponent or last two opponents Also its not a rule, its a law, Law 11 to be exact!. Also says hands and arms are excluded.

Thanks for this. I stand corrected - I had looked at the rule (below) but had missed that last Part

1. Offside positions
A player is in an offside position if:
- any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
- any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered.
A player is not in an offside position if level with the:
- second-last opponent or - last two opponents

So on the basis of that VAR is simply not applying the law correctly because all VAR seems to be checking is the first part of the Law: â€šany part of the head, body or feet is nearer‘ etc. It doesn’t seem to be checking whether the player is â€šlevel‘ at all. The â€šlevel‘ situation must an exception to the general rule.

Or if it is, it’s simply assuming that if any part is in front, the players can’t be â€šlevel‘. But that can’t right because if the only thing that was needed was the first Part of the law then why have any mention of being level.

â€šLevel‘ does not seem to be defined in the laws but I think it has to be assumed that it is possible to have part of your body in front but still be â€šlevel‘ otherwise why include a provision about being level at all?

And this is the fundamental problem because we keep seeing situations where it is clear that defender and attacker are â€šlevel‘ but the attacker is still being ruled offside.

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VAR & Handball on 14:42 - Feb 21 with 366 views

dirk_doone

The VAR referees are only seeing what they want to see, which is usually to agree with the referee on the pitch. I've seen 2 perfectly good goals chalked off for 'offside', one for us and one for Leeds, where the forward was declared offside because his arm was the farthest forward, yet there were clearly defenders' feet nearer to the goal than any part of his arm. In both cases anyone looking at the same picture and lines the VAR ref saw could clearly see the forward was at least a foot onside.

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VAR & Handball on 16:31 - Feb 21 with 323 views

DorsetIan

VAR & Handball on 14:42 - Feb 21 by dirk_doone

[Post edited 21 Feb 2021 14:43]

That's true but the fact that they are not applying the 'level' rule at all is a fundamental error and explains why so many players who are clearly level are being wrongly declared offside.

Poll:

Should we try to replace Selles for the final seven games?

VAR & Handball on 17:09 - Feb 21 with 312 views

saint22

VAR & Handball on 14:42 - Feb 21 by dirk_doone

[Post edited 21 Feb 2021 14:43]

Our Friend Kevin on VAR Tuesday so..........

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