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Reply		Poland
at 19:16 31 Oct 2026

Is it that he’s got back in on a pro EU mandate?

I can understand with their history being part of a bigger bloc is comforting…
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Reply		Poland
at 18:51 31 Oct 2026

I don’t understand this one.

The government have done a lot of work to protect polish sovereignty which has put then at odds with the EU.

I assumed that they’d go for a Polexit but having read around it a bit it seems that it’s not what the public want.

All seems a bit odd and more like a clash of egos than serving the public.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 11:50 31 Oct 2026

I don’t think it’s a self destruct button, more a ‘press for more money’ button.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 08:31 31 Oct 2026

Couldn’t agree more.

If there needs to be a case proved for government overreach or two tier justice then this bloke is not the poster boy to do it.

Agreeing with him doesn’t justify his crimes.
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 08:28 31 Oct 2026

I agree it’s intolerable but the idea that a huge reduction cannot be called a good thing because it’s not zero seems to me to be a bit unrealistic.

Unfortunately I don’t think zero is even possible but we need it as an aim and continue to move in that direction.
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 22:36 30 Oct 2026

None.

But it is far more difficult to achieve than many of our politicians pretend and 40% reduction is a good thing.

Taking the stance that no measure is good until that figure I zero is an admirable target but not realistic.

I’d bet if Reform were in power and in their first year they knocked thousands of the figure, many of those disparaging Labour would be shouting it from the rooftops.

It’s no secret what I think of Reform, but I will say they have challenged the establishment, given a section of society a voice and encouraged more people to show and interest in politics. These are good things.

It’s a shame that some can see no good in a 40% reduction in boat crossings.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 22:31 30 Oct 2026

But how is that two tier?

It’s fair to have concerns about states becoming too authoritarian, but that’s a long way from claiming SYL is a political prisoner.
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 21:50 30 Oct 2026

These are terrible.

Reducing the number of entrants by 40% is a good thing. Both thoughts are possible.

At no point have I supported illegal immigration.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 21:48 30 Oct 2026

So there’s two tier justice but both the right and left are being treated the same?
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 21:34 30 Oct 2026

Tiny numbers of people and unworkable.

I go back to my original point that people who can’t say a 40% reduction is a good thing is ideological.

Those who want warships in the ocean and gun turrets across the south coast need to come to terms with that fact that it won’t happen no matter who they vote for. Because it’s a bit mad.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 21:32 30 Oct 2026

Mainly because I don’t see any issue with any of his convictions.

I’m not for abolishing juries but what’s the point if in cases such as Robinson’s last one which was a jury trial, people still call stitch up?

That article (unsurprisingly) from the guardian talks about political prisoners from the left - climate action and Gaza. Is your point that the government is imprisoning people from both sides? I’m not sure that makes sense.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 19:33 30 Oct 2026

Your first paragraph has nothing to do with your second paragraph.

Two tier for Tommy Robinson? Which of his convictions have been incorrect? In the last case, were the jury wrong?
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 19:29 30 Oct 2026

If only it were so simple.
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 17:20 30 Oct 2026

It’s awful.

I’m glad that the numbers doing it are 40% down.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 14:43 30 Oct 2026

I what way is he a political prisoner?
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Reply		Andy Burnham
at 14:39 30 Oct 2026

So not a good thing then.

I think that proves my point.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 17:53 29 Oct 2026

The time between leaving a court and the sharing of a go fund me type page is impressively short.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 15:32 29 Oct 2026

It’ll be the sentencing guidelines attached to the crime committed.

Not my area of expertise but my best guess would be a minimum of a suspended sentence and at the other end a maximum of 4 years (bearing in mind previous character will be taken in to account)

In any eventuality he’ll make a lot of money.
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Reply		Stephen Yaxley
at 12:21 29 Oct 2026

I’ve no doubt he’s cleverer than many think. He’s made a few fortunes of the more gullible ones.

As for the establishment, they don’t seem to have much choice. Found guilty by a jury and bound by sentencing guidelines.
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Reply		Autumn Rugby Union internationals
at 12:17 29 Oct 2026

They’re all right to be. WRU are a joke organisation.

I’m not sure the national team coaches can do much more. They’re stuck with the hand they’ve been dealt.
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