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Reply | Cargiant site
at 13:47 17 May 2026
“No Comment”
Well, sounds like the club is into something
If nothing, they would have came up early to say no we are not interested |
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Reply | Should Southampton be thrown out of the EFL playoffs?
at 03:23 15 May 2026
It is not a sanction written into the rules of the EFL if Southampton is found guilty.
Anyways, the spying allegations against Southampton emerged before the first leg of the Championship play-off semi-final against Middlesbrough
Boro still lost. Over two legs. So they are not good enough.
A huge fine for Southampton will suffice. |
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Reply | Saints charged with spying
at 03:14 15 May 2026
According to the BBC article, teams caught and if so convicted:
"There is currently no framework in place regarding a suitable sanction should Southampton be found guilty. Possible options include a fine, a points deduction or throwing Southampton out of the play-offs."
No framework of sanctions established for the guilty party if convicted? Seriously?
This will be a case for the lawyers then |
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Reply | Tuck among 7 development squad releases
at 22:20 13 May 2026
Is Scarlett the next Sterling?
If the DS players don’t get send on loan to NL or league 1/2 clubs, they will never make the step up to first team squad
Except for those in and out of the squad like Isak, Tylon Smith, Esquendinha, Scarlett, maybe Brunson and Trujillo, the others are not Geri g loans or anywhere near the first team. Their times are numbered as well |
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Reply | Saints charged with spying
at 11:53 13 May 2026
Just googled:
If Southampton is found guilty of spying on an opponent's training ground, they face serious sanctions from the EFL, ranging from significant fines to potential exclusion from the Championship play-offs, following charges of breaching established league rules.
As of May 13, 2026, Southampton has been officially charged by the EFL for breaches regarding their play-off semi-final against Middlesbrough.
Potential Punishments (EFL Regulation Breaches):
Sporting Sanctions (Most Likely): Due to the timing of the incident (within 72 hours of a match), penalties could include a points deduction, or in extreme cases, exclusion from the Championship play-offs.
Forfeiture: A possible outcome is that a match result could be overturned, or a future match (such as the playoff final) could be impacted, including potential exclusion, according to reports.
Financial Penalties: Similar to the 2019 "Spygate" case, a substantial monetary fine is a strong possibility, though it is considered a minimum penalty for a breach of this magnitude.
Reprimand/Warning: The independent commission could issue a formal warning regarding future conduct, likely combined with a fine.
Key Factors and Rules Involved:
Rule 127: Introduced after the 2019 Leeds United incident, this rule expressly prohibits any club from "directly or indirectly observing" another team's training session within 72 hours of a scheduled match.
Rule 3.4: This requires all clubs to behave towards each other with "utmost good faith".The 2019 Precedent: Marcelo Bielsa’s Leeds United were fined £200,000 in 2019 for a similar incident, but this was before Rule 127 was introduced.
Southampton's alleged breach involves the new, more strict regulations.The EFL is pushing for the independent disciplinary commission to conclude the case before the Championship play-off final on May 23, 2026
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Seems like now it is a case for lawyers. Southampton should do well if they get the lawyers representing Manchester City |
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Reply | Saints charged with spying
at 11:33 13 May 2026
Leeds did it in the Premier League 2019 spygate being managed by Bielsa
Got a hefty £200,000 fine and a strong worded reprimand
I don’t see how they can deduct points or kick them out of playoff final since you have had precedent punishment? |
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Reply | Just a craic...
at 01:25 12 May 2026
Somewhere between 1st and 24th inclusive 
Ok Ok, i think if we bring in a GK, LB, RB, CM at least, we can gun for 8th, provided we don't suffer injuries like we did this season [Post edited 12 May 3:00]
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Reply | West Ham v Arsenal
at 01:20 12 May 2026
By this definition - "clear and obvious" :
Is the foul(s) on Raya "clear and obvious"?
Ref didn't see it, gave the goal.
VAR, Arsenal fans and probably millions of viewers saw it on tv with multiple replays and slow-mo
So "clear and obvious" to who?
Wasn't "clear and obvious" to the ref initially, it was "clear and obvious" he missed it.
With televised games, instant replays and multiple slow-mo in-game analysis - the human referee's task of officiating a game without any assistance (from VAR, AI or machines) has become virtually impossible. Everyone could see what the referee had missed. |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 19:37 21 Apr 2026
Loftus Road is on 4.5 acres
A new 25-30k stadium ( I don’t think we need 40k like the proposed new queens park in 2014) probably need 7-9 acres, almost doubling our current footprint.
The rest 20+ acres, if we purchase the whole thing, the Cargiant site on offer being 30 acres, will be developed into commercial and residential holdings. Oakland’s rise development is on 4.5 acres with 605 new homes. Perhaps this is the “million a month rent” but I suppose it would be better off selling these “assets” and “rack in the profits of tens of millions” at one go. lol 😂
The owners don’t need the whole site, so they might choose to buy it with a group of investors, or be part of a conglomerate of developers.
If this is happening, it won’t be anytime soon. Any development of that magnitude will take time, it will not just be the stadium but all the rest of it, and the site may be developed in stages, so the timeframe can stretch into 10-15 years. Who knows, optimistically maybe 5-10 years?
Loftus Road still needs upgrading. We are going to stay for the foreseeable future. [Post edited 21 Apr 19:39]
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 13:29 21 Apr 2026
In the Calford Seaden website:
In response to QPR’s “Secure R Future” document, which set out the football club’s view that there was no opportunity to suitably improve its stadium at Loftus Road we collaborated (speculatively) with Michael Drain Architects (MDA) throughout summer 2019 to undertake a feasibility study and explore what could be provided within the tight site.
Using existing studies which had been undertaken by MDA while the club was under its former ownership as a starting point, calfordseaden provided Project Management, Building Surveying, Cost Consultancy, Structural Engineering, Mechanical + Electrical Engineering, and Rights of Light + Party Wall services, while MDA developed its design proposals with some surprising results.
The study identified the potential for an increase in capacity between 30% and 50%, more than doubling the existing concourse area and tripling the existing hospitality provision, supported by 500 car parking spaces. A more detailed summary is as follows:
An increased capacity of 23,700 (scheme 1) potentially rising to over 28,000 (scheme 2).
All new and replacement seats being provided to modern day space standards.
The replacement of the existing roof to all four stands.
The rationalisation of supporter distribution and the relocation of the family stand.
Over double the area of concourse provision, which improves circulation and affords opportunity for bars and restaurants.
Triple the linear frontage of concourse serving areas, improving the speed of service and vending potential.
The rationalisation of the main stand entrances and circulation area, including the expansion of the player entrance, changing and treatment rooms.
The relocation, expansion and improvement of the club shop.
The relocation and modernisation of the on-site staff offices.
The potential to provide a players and members spa.
1,500 – 2,500 hospitality covers which could provide: large conference halls doubling up as restaurants for match-day hospitality, smaller conference rooms to provide additional restaurants, lounges and bars for match day use, 26 executive boxes at 25m2 and 12 executive boxes at 54m2 and the provision of a roof terrace bar.
Improved vertical movement between floors.
The provision of larger, modern catering kitchens to support the vast increase in hospitality covers.
An allowance for the replacement of the M&E installations in support of the increased facilities and stadium expansion.
A new and improved facade to the north and west elevations, with feature lighting and media advertising potential.
The provision of on-site renewable energy technologies.
We provided a project programme and our cost team identified that the project could be delivered for a construction cost in the order of £75m – £93m depending upon which options were implemented.
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I might add all of the above is “possible” without buying the school and the acquisition of all houses along Ellerslie and/or Loftus Road and/or Imre Close
Sounds like fantasy? 28,000 all seater at the Loftus? Mind these are 2019 study and costs. You would imagine they did this feasibility study with proper knowledge of the planning regulations and the White City planning scheme of LBHF. Again not sure what is the club role in this. I would have imagined the architects and construction consultants did this not just for fun? [Post edited 21 Apr 13:35]
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 11:32 21 Apr 2026
The club did - but details of the report were never shared nor publicised:
For the 2019 feasibility study regarding the improvement of the Loftus Road stadium (Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium), Michael Drain Architects (MDA) served as the architect, and calfordseaden acted as the cost consultant/quantity surveyor.
You can look up Michael Drain Architects and Calford Seaden for artist impressions and a synopsis of the study.
Club won’t tell |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 02:44 18 Apr 2026
Can anyone confirm if there are plans for a major upgrade to Matrade loftus road?
With project Big Ben and aborted plans for the 40,000 new queens park stadium, the no-go Linford Christie stadium site, can we say the owners are actively looking at a new stadium/home for the club?
Their stake in Oakland rise development, Nourry’s involvement with council, Reilly part-owner of FC Cincinnati with commercial development credentials suggest the new stadium move is a mid to long term goal.
The short term is looking at upgrading Loftus Road, not necessarily increasing its capacity which we have established is quite impossible and nevertheless also costly but rather, I suspect, improving the amenities and spectators experience, such as rail standing, toilets, roofing etc. for a short term fix in view of the bigger goal.
As even if the club purchase a site today for a new stadium development, that would be years in the making before we actually move in, 5-10 years depending on the complexities of planning and construction
However with the current ownership track record of delivering Heston training ground after almost a decade of entanglement with the locals re Warren Farm, surely they had learned some lessons re Fernandes foolery with Cargiant’s OOC site and their entitled mindset in getting the keys for Linford from the council.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have already started manoeuvring behind the scenes to acquire Cargiant OOC site.
I am always reminded that
- we have had many missed opportunities to move within the borough - true, but what made us assume these sites were to be easy acquisition not to mention to build a new stadium eg Dairy Crest site, or sites close to heritage protection, hospitals, where a stadium is hard to justify
- Loftus Road site is hampered by any ambitious redevelopment in increasing its footprint and capacity with a host of issues like planning restrictions, covenants and the real potential resistance and objections from the local residents. Buying the school won’t help, buying up Ellerslie and loftus road houses is nigh impossible
- love the current stadium, but that’s only because we can relate to it with all the embedded memories, but perhaps it’s time to move on?
- we should treasure and cherish, but also at the same time plan to grow the club into the future sustainably and responsibly for what will come after but always to be respectful of what had came before
- moving to a new home does not guaranteed success is what a lot of us is saying and I get it, but by not moving we are probably set for failure or at best stuck in the doldrums
- skeptical of the owners, to do the right thing? To successfully deliver a new stadium? Perhaps, but looking at the Heston training ground I am quietly optimistic
- OOC not an ideal site? There are many cons but also many pros which have been well articulated. However, we are in a part of London that will probably offer very little or even nothing moving forward in terms of a perfect site within W12 to build a stadium adequate enough for our ambitions. You would think that getting a planning approval for a stadium here would be a lot easier than Linford or other challenging sites much much closer to Loftus Road.
- OOC being a regenerative site is perhaps the ideal location to build a stadium amongst a host of commercial, residential and transportation developments. It is a derelict industrial site etc etc but these sites are exactly the ones you look for - cheaper, close to city centre, in a city with a bursting population pushing out to encroach the fringes, full of potential. Before you compare with Bolton, Reading, Derby, Wigan, this is London, close to 15% of the population of England (or 12.5% of the United Kingdom) resides in the metropolitan area of Greater London
- Lastly, finding the perfect site. I hope we don’t lose sight of opportunity staring right in front of our face while chasing that perfect dream site.
I also understand it takes just a short official statement from the club to state they are not looking at OOC to shut me up. I’ll take that, but thinking about the future of the club you just can’t not speculate [Post edited 18 Apr 8:14]
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 01:23 18 Apr 2026
Do the owners have full ownership or control over Loftus Road? If tomorrow they say sell can anyone stop them? |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 22:53 17 Apr 2026
Genuinely, if Old Oak is not the holy land and staying at Loftus Road is untenable, where else in W12 can we move to? |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 22:43 17 Apr 2026
Google AI query:
how many goals did paul smyth scored for QPR in the league this season 2025-26
Answer:
As of April 18, 2026, Paul Smyth has scored 6 goals for Queens Park Rangers in the 2025-26 EFL Championship league season.
Is that correct. Can it count?
In deploying AI like google, ChatGPT or glok, ask the right questions if you want the right answers. |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 22:34 17 Apr 2026
AI overview in google:
Based on 2024–2026 market projections for stadium construction in London, building a new 30,000-capacity football-only stadium in Old Oak Common (W12) would likely cost between £300 million and £500 million+, potentially reaching higher due to high land costs and logistical challenges in West London
As of April 2026, the current Loftus Road stadium is valued between £50 million and £64 million in the context of recent investment sales pitches
Cargiant site is 30 acres - asking around £100 million
Loftus Road is 4.5 acres
Oakland’s Rise development (featuring 605 new homes) is 4.5 acres - £175 million. QPR is joint-venture
If the new stadium is generously twice as big (4.5 x 2 =9 acres) housing 30,000 capacity, the land left for residential could cater for about 2500-2800 new homes (based on Oaklands Rise density)
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 21:58 17 Apr 2026
But a serious point, who goes Bolton or Reading for a conference? Who stays in a stadium hotel in Bolton or Reading?
But London is different. West London. Especially a site that is a transport hub, near Heathrow and probably house more residents than the population of Bolton and Reading put together.
Last point is a joke, but OOC is not in the middle of nowhere
Perhaps if the New Queens Park/Loftus/New Loftus Road stadium is built there conference rooms and a hotel are precisely the facilities that are needed. Throw in a Tesco/Sainsbury and a multi storied basement car park (in honouring our former sponsor Cargiant whom we buy the site from) under the stadium that could be a commercial cash cow for use outside match days - I would opine parking is premium these days in London. See we can genuinely dig down! [Post edited 17 Apr 22:07]
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 12:56 16 Apr 2026
I think many of us would still remember Tony Fernandes and the “New Queens Park” more than 12 years ago (yes you see this right - 13 Dec 2013 on the BBC website)
Hazard a guess we got the architecturals ready to go, just need to buy the site and apply for planning, sorry i digressed……
Remember, the debacle was not Council rejection or nimby at the war front, it was Cargiant coming out to dismiss Fernandes’s bold claim of getting a deal done with them and it fell off a cliff and the eventual demise of TF as chairman of the football club
Now the site is available, just saying….
Does evoke the training ground drama of fighting with the locals and going to court over Warren Farm for the new training ground for almost 9 frustrating years and then suddenly boom we landed Heston and the rest is history…
Ever wondered why there is dead silence within the club saying anything about the availability of this site? Wouldn’t be surprised if the club has already started the ball rolling…. [Post edited 16 Apr 12:57]
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Reply | Should QPR go for the CarGiant Site?
at 22:19 14 Apr 2026
One in 30 years opportunity to secure a site in the borough?
We missed so many opportunities, if this one past us by what other choices do we have left? |
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Reply | Cargiant site
at 11:09 14 Apr 2026
1. We love Loftus Road, quaint old ground full of memories
2. We need to move to a bigger site within west London and cargiant site may well be perfect
Why not, to get the best of both worlds, dismantle Loftus Road every nut, bolt and screw and reassemble it on our newly acquired car giant site
Then, if we run out of leg room and needed to expand our capacity, we can simply use the old trick - dig down |
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