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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 11:57 16 Jul 2024
I'm off on holiday tomorrow (i mean why did i book 2 weeks in Spain, the bastards) so you'll all be thrilled to know I won't be boring you with all this for a while but for me football is about creating memories and moments that live with you forever. You think of our club do we look back at 1975/76 and say well we came second and Dave Sexton is a clown for not beating Norwich or do we remember that team, the great days they gave fans with fondness.
Beating Arsenal on that wet night in the FA Cup with Sinton scored, does it matter we went out 2 rounds later or does that night still live with those of us who were there.
That Bobby Zamora moment, was it made any less special because the XG stats said we should have lost
I could go on but supporting England has always been about those moments where everyone comes together and celebrates together. From Pearce's penalty in 96, Owens goal in 98, Beckhams free kick v Greece, the shoot out win over Colombia, the wins over Germany and Denmark in Euro 2020, that bellingham over head kick, the last minuet watkins goal, that Saka penalty against the Swiss, amazing moments that I look back on and can feel the joy I felt in those moments and want more of it. The fact we didn't win any of those tournaments doesn't take away those amazing memories.
Many will say he won nothing he's a fraud etc and I do get the frustration with not getting over the line but football is about more than numbers and trophies, it's creating moments and memories and we've had a lot of good ones under Southgate |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 11:40 16 Jul 2024
So I keep hearing and we missed some good chances to kill that game off but the end result was a penalty kick away from winning it |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 11:38 16 Jul 2024
Nail on the head here. You go back to Lampard and Gerrard brilliant for their clubs but for England they didn't have Xavi Alonso or Claude Makelele next to them
Same with Foden he doesn't have Rodri and De Bryune or Haaland next to him so is never going to look as good. Doesn't make them bad players but the impact they have for club is always more difficult to replicate for country |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 11:35 16 Jul 2024
yeah and lets be honest thats where most teams with the most possession have it, last world cup Spain dominated the ball but didn't really threaten much, as with all these stats they tell the story you want them to tell. I found that stat on England possession surprising as it didn't feel like that watching but you can find stats this tournament to paint England as dreadful or brilliant depending on what narrative you want to go with. Truth as always is somewhere in between the two extremes [Post edited 16 Jul 11:36]
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 11:11 16 Jul 2024
And yet despite him being so dreadful, out of his depth, and having no plan he was a penalty kick away from winning it 3 years ago and lost this one to a late goal before his team came very close to equalising.
Good luck to the next fella meeting your expectations. |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 23:45 15 Jul 2024
of course they had a tougher draw but Englands was far from easy, this nonsense that England only got to the final because the draw was easy is laughable
Of course all European players have long seasons and the big stars all struggled to make an impact, thats what I meant by that. The big stars in our team looked mentally and physically shattered, that won't change under the next manager especially when the next tournament is played in blistering heat
I don't disagree Pep or Klopp would be very good, they are great club managers although it was only a few weeks ago when this board was full of people saying Klopp was a fraud.
Would they do better? I'm not sure really as better is winning the thing and it's not as if they never lose big games and nowadays international football is not the step up it used to be, they are already managing at the very highest level
I do think they should change managers now and give someone else a go but for whoever it is to do better than Southgate and change the playing style is going to take a hell of an effort, his record is outstanding. I'm not sure this manager people want exists |
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at 23:03 15 Jul 2024
they've been trying to get him to sign a new deal for ages |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 22:32 15 Jul 2024
sick of hearing about weak draw, The Swiss and Holland are not weak teams but seem to be viewed as that after England beat them. The Swiss knocked France out in the last Euros, regularly beat the top teams in the nations league and the Dutch were again a talented team. If England had won last night it would have been oh well Spain are not as good as they used to be, young team blah blah
For me setting up a team to win football matches is the job ands that's what he's done, he doesn't have time with the players to work on patterns of play as club managers can and create this style you want to see. What your XG is or how you win them is irrelevant at international level, it's so different to club football
These tournaments come at a time of the year when the English players are knackered after a long season and it showed, our best players this tournament were ones who hadn't played 50/60 club matches, our best players were done after an hour each game
Even these elite managers you speak of like Pep, Klopp etc all lost plenty of big games over the years, how often does Pep over think the big games and blow them.
As a nation we've got to 3 finals in our history and 6 semi finals, he's been manager for 2 of those finals and 3 semi finals. Whoever takes over has a massive job on his hands to match that let alone better it with a different style of play that he'll have about 30 days a year to work on with players |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 19:46 15 Jul 2024
Venables had a fantastic squad of attacking players, Shearer, Ferdinand, Fowler, Gazza, Sherringham, Mcmanaman, Platt, Anderton and Barmby, he left likes of Ian Wright and Le Tissier out as well.
England always have very good players and good options [Post edited 15 Jul 19:48]
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 19:41 15 Jul 2024
How is getting to a final unacceptable, because we didn't win them all in normal time? it's gone beyond parody at this stage
I hope the next manager plays the tactics and style you want with these players and it works but I'm not sure that person is out there
It seems to have been wiped from history that England played open and attacking in the last world cup and were home before the semi final, playing that way guarantees nothing.
On that front 3 doing great for your club does not equate to doing great for your country. Bernardo Silva is brilliant for City but hardly ever does anything for Portugal.
All we heard about Foden was he had to play number 10, he did for the last 3 games and did nothing bar a good 40 minutes against Holland, that's not all on the manager sometimes players are given the chance and don't take it. |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 17:59 15 Jul 2024
exactly that, his team played that way in the champions league and were knocked out in the first round and that prat Tindall would come with him as well.
He's more attacking than Southgate though so I get the appeal |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 16:52 15 Jul 2024
delve into every tournament and it's the same, 1998 lost to Romania in the group stage and left heroes as they almost beat Argentina. 86 World cup we were crap for 2 games heading home then due to Robson getting injured and Wilkins sent off he brought Beardsley and Reid in and we make films about the hand of god.
The golden Generation lost to every good side they played (France and Portugal) in 04 and Portugal again in 06, which is why I found the stick England got in this one especially early on all a bit mad, this tournament for me was very similar to Italia 90 some great moments that will last forever but also some really crap ones as well |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 16:48 15 Jul 2024
I thought the plan went wrong right at the start of the second half, I thought we did alright first half and kept them at bay. We actually pressed high start of the 2nd half maybe got carried away with Rodri going off but were played through and within 3 passes they were in and scored, Lamal started more inside which took Shaw out of the game as well. if we had stuck to the low block we'd have probably kept it at 0-0 for longer but ultimately I think Spain would have found a way to score
The next 2 years will be full of articles, podcasts etc looking at new ways of playing for England but it really just came down to a couple of tiny defensive mistakes which was the difference in the end. |
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Reply | Did Southgate's tactics cost England?
at 16:18 15 Jul 2024
If he goes whoever the new manager is won't be playing a high press and energetic attacking way considering the next tournament is going to be played in boiling hot temperatures across America and Mexico at the end of another very long club season. Whoever it is the style is likely to be similar, the time to go high press lots of energy is probably the 2028 euros which are at Wembley |
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Reply | Next England Manager
at 14:38 15 Jul 2024
He won with under 19's I think, just took the Leicester job |
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