| £15 for our home friendly 13:09 - Jul 23 with 23987 views | _ |
Why can't the club just once, just ONCE, turn round to the supporter and offer them a real gesture of good will and thank us for our loyal support.
£15 for a kick about in the sun...
And I don't care if every other club in England is doing it. It would be nice if our club had a different mentality when it came to its supporters.
Have they forgotten how many times they have messed up in the past - The Euro games for example.
They must be due another dividend soon i'd imagine.
Pathetic, Swansea City, pathetic. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:46 - Jul 24 with 1128 views | Neath_Jack |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:43 - Jul 24 by Darran |
Why? |
Because you're just trying to point score, and you know what silly b0ll0cks is up to. It's been a really good read the last couple of pages, you're just spoiling it. No offence meant to you of course. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:49 - Jul 24 with 1113 views | Darran |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:46 - Jul 24 by Neath_Jack |
Because you're just trying to point score, and you know what silly b0ll0cks is up to. It's been a really good read the last couple of pages, you're just spoiling it. No offence meant to you of course. |
I'm genuinely not trying to spoil it and if and when Phil announces the next Forum I promise to be there an hour before everyone else to save three seats for Dwight,Shaky and T2C in the front row.
It will be nice to get the answers to their very relevant questions. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:49 - Jul 24 with 1111 views | Uxbridge |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:33 - Jul 24 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
You all have no idea how heart warming it is to read that people are finally beginning to understand the point I have been bringing up for the past 6 months regarding questioning the board and their decisions. I knew the day would come where my vision would become real, and this thread is a sign we are getting there slowly. I am very happy this evening. |
Thank you dear leader. Our veils have been lifted. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:50 - Jul 24 with 1110 views | raynor94 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:44 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
F*ck me he isn't getting it is he.. they were cheap hits.. without any money coming back in.. expand the stadium and reduce ticket prices.. the potential to claw back money over time.. plus gaining new fans.. more revenue for pubs.. while still taking dividends is actually possible and beneficial for the club, community and the fans.. surely If they're going to spunk millions on dross.. why not spunk millions on potential new customers.. our demand is worldwide after all.. a worldwide brand.. f*ck me give me a pint or job. |
Seriously skippy you bang on often enough about it, why can't you get a job? |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:54 - Jul 24 with 1091 views | skippyjack |
Let's take these questions to the board.. think in business terms not football.. let's take these t*ts to war! And their shoddy investments on Vasquez.. Lamah.. Canas.. Ngog.. cost us millions with no return.. if we can question them with a strategy with an almost guaranteed potential profit over time.. they'll listen... now all you 'skilled' people ram this down their throats.. and see some response... we've got cards.. let's use them. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 21:58 - Jul 24 with 1077 views | Catullus |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:44 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
F*ck me he isn't getting it is he.. they were cheap hits.. without any money coming back in.. expand the stadium and reduce ticket prices.. the potential to claw back money over time.. plus gaining new fans.. more revenue for pubs.. while still taking dividends is actually possible and beneficial for the club, community and the fans.. surely If they're going to spunk millions on dross.. why not spunk millions on potential new customers.. our demand is worldwide after all.. a worldwide brand.. f*ck me give me a pint or job. |
So do we expand without trying to improve the team? We can't do both if we don't keep the money rolling in.
Or do we go into debt?
There isn't a club of our size and stature who'd disagree with how we are run. But people without all the info think they know better?
We do not know for sure what our income to expenditure currently is.
Would I like cheaper prices, hell yes. Is it viable? How the feck do I know.
Maybe after expansion prices will come down, unlikely though.
But our season ticket prices, when did they last rise? Even though our expenditure has risen dramatically. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:05 - Jul 24 with 1063 views | londonlisa2001 |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:58 - Jul 24 by Catullus |
So do we expand without trying to improve the team? We can't do both if we don't keep the money rolling in.
Or do we go into debt?
There isn't a club of our size and stature who'd disagree with how we are run. But people without all the info think they know better?
We do not know for sure what our income to expenditure currently is.
Would I like cheaper prices, hell yes. Is it viable? How the feck do I know.
Maybe after expansion prices will come down, unlikely though.
But our season ticket prices, when did they last rise? Even though our expenditure has risen dramatically. |
I find it interesting whether there is any point in the future of a partly 'fans owned club' where profits being distributed to the 'other' shareholders is accepted?
The reason for at lot of this 'anti' feeling in my view is that I don't think many people, when the Trust was set up, ever imagined this level of success. I know that I at the time, genuinely believed that there would be a limit to how far we could go because of our ownership structure. At that time though, I accepted it as part of the necessity of having a football club to support.
i don't think many really thought we'd get to this without a sugar daddy (I don't mean just in Swansea - I don't think anyone in football actually thought it was possible to reach the premier league on organic growth).
Supporters were prepared to see a few people risk their own money, but did they ever wonder how they would feel if it paid off like this and those few who invested are now worth millions as a result? Or did they just think that those that risked their money would, at best, not lose it all? | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:13 - Jul 24 with 1051 views | skippyjack |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:58 - Jul 24 by Catullus |
So do we expand without trying to improve the team? We can't do both if we don't keep the money rolling in.
Or do we go into debt?
There isn't a club of our size and stature who'd disagree with how we are run. But people without all the info think they know better?
We do not know for sure what our income to expenditure currently is.
Would I like cheaper prices, hell yes. Is it viable? How the feck do I know.
Maybe after expansion prices will come down, unlikely though.
But our season ticket prices, when did they last rise? Even though our expenditure has risen dramatically. |
Mate.. we're in the green.. we're most definitely going to stay up this season.. worldwide brands earn mega money.. our expansion will cost 10-15 mil roughly.. reduce season tickets by 50-100.. lose 5 million.. 20 million... we will regain that in merchandise and regular ticket prices within a few years.. never mind prem money.. it's viable.. it's just are the board going to wait longer for a profit.. while also progressing the club. They always spout 'progression' and 'community'.. let's test the boards resolve | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:30 - Jul 24 with 1018 views | Uxbridge |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:05 - Jul 24 by londonlisa2001 |
I find it interesting whether there is any point in the future of a partly 'fans owned club' where profits being distributed to the 'other' shareholders is accepted?
The reason for at lot of this 'anti' feeling in my view is that I don't think many people, when the Trust was set up, ever imagined this level of success. I know that I at the time, genuinely believed that there would be a limit to how far we could go because of our ownership structure. At that time though, I accepted it as part of the necessity of having a football club to support.
i don't think many really thought we'd get to this without a sugar daddy (I don't mean just in Swansea - I don't think anyone in football actually thought it was possible to reach the premier league on organic growth).
Supporters were prepared to see a few people risk their own money, but did they ever wonder how they would feel if it paid off like this and those few who invested are now worth millions as a result? Or did they just think that those that risked their money would, at best, not lose it all? |
The roots of the anti view are pretty obvious to me. The club spent years saying they were fans running the club for our benefit and wouldn't take money out of it. Cue promotion and that flips.
Will divis ever be accepted? By many they have. There is already an upside with regards to the Trust fund which is a significant silver lining. But that historic view that the club still dines off of means there'll always be an issue for many. | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:31 - Jul 24 with 1014 views | longlostjack |
| £15 for our home friendly on 18:01 - Jul 24 by Jackfath |
I confess to not being an expert on the in and outs of all this. However what is plainly evident is there seems to be a few people who feel there are some extremely interesting points which need clarifying.
Other seem to be suggesting these people are simply trying to rock the apple cart.
Surely questioning and debate is healthy and seeing as we have a suporters trust with representatives on the board, as fans deserve answers to even the most tricky of questions.
But then again, what do i know, I am just a subtle troll. |
Fair enough but why don't these "critics" turn up at a Trust meeting and put their questions forward. If they are really true fans and have the club's interest at heart it would be the logical thing to do. If they're not prepared to do that then don't be surprised if the label Troll or keyboard warrior sticks. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:37 - Jul 24 with 1000 views | ScoobyWho |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:54 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
Let's take these questions to the board.. think in business terms not football.. let's take these t*ts to war! And their shoddy investments on Vasquez.. Lamah.. Canas.. Ngog.. cost us millions with no return.. if we can question them with a strategy with an almost guaranteed potential profit over time.. they'll listen... now all you 'skilled' people ram this down their throats.. and see some response... we've got cards.. let's use them. |
Your basically asking them to account for a number of non signings that cost the club financially set against the likes of Ben and going back in time even Trundle and Scotland who were purchased for literally no money but made millions. Same thing, different outcome.
I sense irony here tho.
I mean lets hold them accountable for Amankwah while we are at it ;-) |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:40 - Jul 24 with 991 views | Darran |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:37 - Jul 24 by ScoobyWho |
Your basically asking them to account for a number of non signings that cost the club financially set against the likes of Ben and going back in time even Trundle and Scotland who were purchased for literally no money but made millions. Same thing, different outcome.
I sense irony here tho.
I mean lets hold them accountable for Amankwah while we are at it ;-) |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:51 - Jul 24 with 966 views | skippyjack |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:37 - Jul 24 by ScoobyWho |
Your basically asking them to account for a number of non signings that cost the club financially set against the likes of Ben and going back in time even Trundle and Scotland who were purchased for literally no money but made millions. Same thing, different outcome.
I sense irony here tho.
I mean lets hold them accountable for Amankwah while we are at it ;-) |
It's a bit different when you're a multi million 'world wide' brand though.. my proposal has merit.. expansion, reduced tickets = more customers = equals more revenue for the community = fans happy = profit over time.. while still competing in the league financially.. everyone is a winner. | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 22:56 - Jul 24 with 952 views | ScoobyWho |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:51 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
It's a bit different when you're a multi million 'world wide' brand though.. my proposal has merit.. expansion, reduced tickets = more customers = equals more revenue for the community = fans happy = profit over time.. while still competing in the league financially.. everyone is a winner. |
Me, you and Chez Guevara mate ;-) | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 23:30 - Jul 24 with 912 views | Jackhero |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:32 - Jul 24 by _ |
No, I bet he doesn't.
Can you pick this one up for us Phil and have it on my desk for Monday morning, but you're onto something there, I think, good work squire ;-) |
I doubt Phil knows, why would he? There are certain deals in place that make no sense at all, other than its a scratch my back sort of deal. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 23:49 - Jul 24 with 894 views | Starsky |
| £15 for our home friendly on 21:54 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
Let's take these questions to the board.. think in business terms not football.. let's take these t*ts to war! And their shoddy investments on Vasquez.. Lamah.. Canas.. Ngog.. cost us millions with no return.. if we can question them with a strategy with an almost guaranteed potential profit over time.. they'll listen... now all you 'skilled' people ram this down their throats.. and see some response... we've got cards.. let's use them. |
You forgot schecter |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 23:50 - Jul 24 with 890 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| £15 for our home friendly on 23:49 - Jul 24 by Starsky |
You forgot schecter |
Tate's contract too. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 00:42 - Jul 25 with 865 views | epaul |
My f*kin eyes are bleeding after all that. Don't we all support the same club? So there is a hidden agenda where some prominet people are looking to make big bucks of the back o fthe club....alledgedly #garrymonksbarmyarmy....as you were |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 06:32 - Jul 25 with 819 views | Dr_Winston |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:30 - Jul 24 by Uxbridge |
The roots of the anti view are pretty obvious to me. The club spent years saying they were fans running the club for our benefit and wouldn't take money out of it. Cue promotion and that flips.
Will divis ever be accepted? By many they have. There is already an upside with regards to the Trust fund which is a significant silver lining. But that historic view that the club still dines off of means there'll always be an issue for many. |
I have absolutely no problem with the dividends. I didn't at the time, I don't now and hopefully I won't in the future. Risks were taken, good works done and those who have shepherded the club over the last decade deserve to be rewarded for it.
I just believe that everybody should be benefitting from the clubs current financial strength, especially those who fork out their hard earned every season to support them. At the moment that is simply not happening beyond the occasional gesture. |  |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 08:02 - Jul 25 with 785 views | Uxbridge |
| £15 for our home friendly on 06:32 - Jul 25 by Dr_Winston |
I have absolutely no problem with the dividends. I didn't at the time, I don't now and hopefully I won't in the future. Risks were taken, good works done and those who have shepherded the club over the last decade deserve to be rewarded for it.
I just believe that everybody should be benefitting from the clubs current financial strength, especially those who fork out their hard earned every season to support them. At the moment that is simply not happening beyond the occasional gesture. |
That's pretty much where I'm at. If I saw £1m going back to the fans, then there'd be much less of an issue. | |
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| £15 for our home friendly on 08:07 - Jul 25 with 780 views | outtolunch |
| £15 for our home friendly on 08:02 - Jul 25 by Uxbridge |
That's pretty much where I'm at. If I saw £1m going back to the fans, then there'd be much less of an issue. |
They did start last year with £250,000 towards away travel. I presume they will do similar this season. I note £15 off if you go away to man u and man c. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 08:07 - Jul 25 with 780 views | 3swan |
| £15 for our home friendly on 08:02 - Jul 25 by Uxbridge |
That's pretty much where I'm at. If I saw £1m going back to the fans, then there'd be much less of an issue. |
Much the same here as well.
As well as things have been done over the years to get us to where we are, when it comes to P.R. the club fails on many counts.
The smaller things on their own mean very little, but added together looks as if the club are not learning from feedback, and don't think things through in enough detail. | | | |
| £15 for our home friendly on 08:08 - Jul 25 with 777 views | jakarmi |
| £15 for our home friendly on 22:13 - Jul 24 by skippyjack |
Mate.. we're in the green.. we're most definitely going to stay up this season.. worldwide brands earn mega money.. our expansion will cost 10-15 mil roughly.. reduce season tickets by 50-100.. lose 5 million.. 20 million... we will regain that in merchandise and regular ticket prices within a few years.. never mind prem money.. it's viable.. it's just are the board going to wait longer for a profit.. while also progressing the club. They always spout 'progression' and 'community'.. let's test the boards resolve |
Feck me - spot on reply/post Catullus. Couldnt you have put this reponse on page 1 and save me reading the last 16 pages. [Post edited 25 Jul 2014 8:12]
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