| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 with 1049 views | exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:29 - Sep 30 with 1045 views | Groo |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |
It kind of takes away the deterrent of we could if pushed if the PM states he won't ever. Even if he intends never tom the PM would need to keep up the appearance that he would otherwise its not a deterrent. |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:33 - Sep 30 with 1037 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:29 - Sep 30 by Groo |
It kind of takes away the deterrent of we could if pushed if the PM states he won't ever. Even if he intends never tom the PM would need to keep up the appearance that he would otherwise its not a deterrent. |
His view that it's not a deterrent in the modern world when we're not facing a threat from any of the other nuclear powers. And Trident won't reach most of them anyway. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:16 - Sep 30 with 1024 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |
If Parliament ever authorised it and he was instructed to do so, he'd have no choice.
He seems to think he'll have the powers of a dictator.
At some point, he'll have to drop the 6th form debating society stuff and realise that he's now in the real world. Less angst and activism, more actual policy. |  | | |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:17 - Sep 30 with 1024 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:33 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
His view that it's not a deterrent in the modern world when we're not facing a threat from any of the other nuclear powers. And Trident won't reach most of them anyway. |
Jeremy Corbyn won't kill millions of people
The ba$tard |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:18 - Sep 30 with 1021 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:16 - Sep 30 by londonlisa2001 |
If Parliament ever authorised it and he was instructed to do so, he'd have no choice.
He seems to think he'll have the powers of a dictator.
At some point, he'll have to drop the 6th form debating society stuff and realise that he's now in the real world. Less angst and activism, more actual policy. |
Don't hold your breath... |  | | |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:23 - Sep 30 with 1016 views | blueytheblue |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |
Of course it's ridiculous.
Easy for Corbyn to rail against it in his status as a "rebel" with zero power whatsoever. Bit different if you're trying to persuade people who rejected those views continually to vote for you. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:30 - Sep 30 with 1006 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:16 - Sep 30 by londonlisa2001 |
If Parliament ever authorised it and he was instructed to do so, he'd have no choice.
He seems to think he'll have the powers of a dictator.
At some point, he'll have to drop the 6th form debating society stuff and realise that he's now in the real world. Less angst and activism, more actual policy. |
Who would instruct him to do so? Parliament doesn't and can't authorise war and can't order the executive to go to war or to launch any weapon. That power lies solely with the PM. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:31 - Sep 30 with 1002 views | Groo |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:17 - Sep 30 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Jeremy Corbyn won't kill millions of people
The ba$tard |
No, he'd be a martyr and see millions of his own killed. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:32 - Sep 30 with 999 views | Groo |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:30 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
Who would instruct him to do so? Parliament doesn't and can't authorise war and can't order the executive to go to war or to launch any weapon. That power lies solely with the PM. |
erm.... yes they do, it's the other way around, a PM cannot authorize war without a parliament vote | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:34 - Sep 30 with 994 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:32 - Sep 30 by Groo |
erm.... yes they do, it's the other way around, a PM cannot authorize war without a parliament vote |
Erm no. You're wrong. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:34 - Sep 30 with 994 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |
Perhaps half the shadow cabinet feel that it should be debated and approved by the party as a policy first?
He hasn't changed his stance but surely he needs to allow debate on the issue before declaring what he wouldn't do.
Maybe he's saying that if the Labour Party agree a policy of keeping Trident as a deterrent, he couldn't be the leader (and hence PM) if they were in power? |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:37 - Sep 30 with 988 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:30 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
Who would instruct him to do so? Parliament doesn't and can't authorise war and can't order the executive to go to war or to launch any weapon. That power lies solely with the PM. |
It's PM and Cabinet not just PM and if the cabinet wanted it Corbyn couldn't just say no. There would instantly be a vote of no confidence.
Actually there is a lot of talk around the fact that Cameron in going to the House for a Parliamentary vote re Syria created a precedent whereby Parliament as whole would now be required. Granted that is the other way round (i.e. needed to do something rather than a decision that it had to be done) but it is important none the less. | | | |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:37 - Sep 30 with 987 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:34 - Sep 30 by Joe_bradshaw |
Perhaps half the shadow cabinet feel that it should be debated and approved by the party as a policy first?
He hasn't changed his stance but surely he needs to allow debate on the issue before declaring what he wouldn't do.
Maybe he's saying that if the Labour Party agree a policy of keeping Trident as a deterrent, he couldn't be the leader (and hence PM) if they were in power? |
Well something has to give. Given their already declared positions if Labour decides to keep Trident, Corbyn has to go. If they decide the opposite, half the shadow cabinet will. I'd normally agree with you about policy debates etc but Corbyn's made no secret of his views on nuclear weapons for decades and 60% of the party voted for him knowing full well what that position is. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:40 - Sep 30 with 978 views | epaul |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 18:48 - Sep 30 by WarwickHunt |
Ever been to Islington? 75% of it is a shithole... |
and the rest of it Phil, I use to live there say no more! |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:41 - Sep 30 with 981 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:37 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
Well something has to give. Given their already declared positions if Labour decides to keep Trident, Corbyn has to go. If they decide the opposite, half the shadow cabinet will. I'd normally agree with you about policy debates etc but Corbyn's made no secret of his views on nuclear weapons for decades and 60% of the party voted for him knowing full well what that position is. |
I can't understand why he didn't have the debate and establish the policy this week. He's the darling of the party at the moment and could have got anything through at this conference. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:42 - Sep 30 with 980 views | blueytheblue |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:37 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
Well something has to give. Given their already declared positions if Labour decides to keep Trident, Corbyn has to go. If they decide the opposite, half the shadow cabinet will. I'd normally agree with you about policy debates etc but Corbyn's made no secret of his views on nuclear weapons for decades and 60% of the party voted for him knowing full well what that position is. |
And that's where Corbyn's claims to want to go for a consensual route within his cabinet fails.
Comprimise his "rebel outsider" views by agreeing with a more mainstream political view or expose a dogmatism that outweighs the reality of things.
Neither will look good to the electorate. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:44 - Sep 30 with 975 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:37 - Sep 30 by londonlisa2001 |
It's PM and Cabinet not just PM and if the cabinet wanted it Corbyn couldn't just say no. There would instantly be a vote of no confidence.
Actually there is a lot of talk around the fact that Cameron in going to the House for a Parliamentary vote re Syria created a precedent whereby Parliament as whole would now be required. Granted that is the other way round (i.e. needed to do something rather than a decision that it had to be done) but it is important none the less. |
No, sorry. It's the executive which yes is the PM and cabinet but in practice only the PM can exercise the royal prerogative and authorise war. Given collective responsibility though if the cabinet didn't agree they could resign en masse or the PM could if he or she so chose. The only no confidence vote that could forcibly oust a PM is that of parliament not the cabinet. Parliament isn't and never has been required to authorise war. If a government goes to Parliament for a vote before taking action it's a political manoeuvre to ensure cross party backing before taking such drastic action. Blair did it and won, Cameron did it and didn't.
Interestingly, Corbyn's on record as saying that he believes that the royal prerogative in this area should be scrapped and that Parliament should be the final arbiter of when the uk goes to war.
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:45 - Sep 30 with 971 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
UK needs its own nuclear deterrent. Just look at all the nuclear attacks Germany's had to suffer. Not to mention Sweden and poor old Canada | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:45 - Sep 30 with 968 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 20:41 - Sep 30 by Joe_bradshaw |
I can't understand why he didn't have the debate and establish the policy this week. He's the darling of the party at the moment and could have got anything through at this conference. |
He tried to have the debate but the conference organising committee knocked it back. That's probably why it's out there now. Today's pronouncements were undoubtedly deliberate. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 07:13 - Oct 1 with 892 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 19:22 - Sep 30 by exiledclaseboy |
So Corbyn gets into strife today by confirming that as PM he won't authorise the use of nuclear weapons. Half the shadow cabinet act as if they'd never heard such a ridiculous notion before. Despite the fact that Corbyn's been saying it for 35 years or so and said it repeatedly throughout his leadership campaign. |
So he's finding out who his friends are already then....
Gosh, that has to be some sort of record! |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 07:48 - Oct 1 with 883 views | trampie |
Corbyn is in the wrong party. |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 07:52 - Oct 1 with 881 views | trampie |
The lovely Leanne Wood and the feisty Charlotte Church are apparently on Question Time tonight as well as one of the Kinnock clan. | |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 08:24 - Oct 1 with 866 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 07:52 - Oct 1 by trampie |
The lovely Leanne Wood and the feisty Charlotte Church are apparently on Question Time tonight as well as one of the Kinnock clan. |
What are you expectations of them, Trampie? |  |
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| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 09:27 - Oct 1 with 853 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Jeremy Corbyn thread part two on 07:52 - Oct 1 by trampie |
The lovely Leanne Wood and the feisty Charlotte Church are apparently on Question Time tonight as well as one of the Kinnock clan. |
You'd better stock up on the Kleenex then.
Two thick, plain Welsh birds who say "austerity" a lot - you'll be w@nking for Wales tonight. | | | |
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