| Labour about to collapse. 09:44 - Jun 26 with 19058 views | trampie |
Labour is on the verge of collapse both internally and amongst voters, apparently a third of people that voted Labour in the last General Election would now vote for other parties, people are also speculating that up to a half of the Labour shadow cabinet could resign. |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 17:21 - Jun 29 with 955 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 16:58 - Jun 29 by Wingstandwood |
Common sense has never been her (or Labour Wag's) strong point and neither has compassion for the Swansea population that live away from her London bubble!
Hey!.... Get this pikeypaul!.......... Labour's Peter Law raised the very same opera house issue up in the WAG to Rhodri Morgan saying NHS services were of far more VITAL importance saying people don't want opera houses.............Ummm 2nd thoughts some people do (i.e. bubble enclosed loons) with the common sense levels of a gnat and will even come on places like this to defend the disgusting injustice and insanity of it all. Beggars belief don't it?
But you see they do people with common sense a favour because by their very existence they make people with common sense far superior! |
My family live in Swansea moron, and I have watched them and visited them while they get treated, recover, and in some cases die, in Morriston and Singleton.
I have also seen the joy that music has brought to many of them.
Bubble enclosed loons? I spent a lovely evening last week at Holland Park opera - £17 it was, for a truly glorious evening watching La Boheme. So less than half of what it costs me to watch the Swans. But doubtless you see only one of those activities as being 'for the toffs'.
The Welsh government spends about £6bn on Its health budget. It spends a huge chunk on education (including by the way, subsidising university education for the kids of the wealthy).
A very small percentage of its budget goes towards things like culture, arts, sports.
How dare you say that music, the arts, sports and culture are only the preserve of the wealthy. What - and everyone else should content themselves with Celebrity Big Brother, or the mindless tat that passes for entertainment for the 'ordinary people' is it? You may think that 'the Swansea population' only deserves sh*t - I do not.
Fight to make everyone's life better will you, not to see everyone dragged down to the lowest common denominator. You sound like a f***ing factory owner from the 20s deciding what culture the 'little people' should enjoy. |  | | |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:33 - Jun 29 with 926 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:21 - Jun 29 by londonlisa2001 |
My family live in Swansea moron, and I have watched them and visited them while they get treated, recover, and in some cases die, in Morriston and Singleton.
I have also seen the joy that music has brought to many of them.
Bubble enclosed loons? I spent a lovely evening last week at Holland Park opera - £17 it was, for a truly glorious evening watching La Boheme. So less than half of what it costs me to watch the Swans. But doubtless you see only one of those activities as being 'for the toffs'.
The Welsh government spends about £6bn on Its health budget. It spends a huge chunk on education (including by the way, subsidising university education for the kids of the wealthy).
A very small percentage of its budget goes towards things like culture, arts, sports.
How dare you say that music, the arts, sports and culture are only the preserve of the wealthy. What - and everyone else should content themselves with Celebrity Big Brother, or the mindless tat that passes for entertainment for the 'ordinary people' is it? You may think that 'the Swansea population' only deserves sh*t - I do not.
Fight to make everyone's life better will you, not to see everyone dragged down to the lowest common denominator. You sound like a f***ing factory owner from the 20s deciding what culture the 'little people' should enjoy. |
I've read your previous posts and formulated my opinion of! Culture must live and people (Swansea people) MUST DIE! Get to the back of the common-sense queue you complete and utter obscenity! |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 17:39 - Jun 29 with 916 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:33 - Jun 29 by Wingstandwood |
I've read your previous posts and formulated my opinion of! Culture must live and people (Swansea people) MUST DIE! Get to the back of the common-sense queue you complete and utter obscenity! |
Yes I've definitely said that.
Moron. | | | |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:43 - Jun 29 with 906 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:39 - Jun 29 by londonlisa2001 |
Yes I've definitely said that.
Moron. |
Mary? Mary quite contrary how does your opera house grow? | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 17:48 - Jun 29 with 891 views | pikeypaul |
Lisa,the trouble is very little ever reaches Swansea,WAG still thinks we should be grateful for the museum we got years ago costing about £1million,whilst endless millions gets spent in Cardiff.Its no wonder most down here would prefer money spent on the NHS over the arts,culture,etc.
It's the same with the English regions total disparity in funding with London receiving all the cream.
It's no surprise the way the vote went regionally last week with the "'I am alright Jack" remainers in
areas such as London and Cardiff wanting everything to remain the same and the totally neglected areas saying we want out. |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:00 - Jun 29 with 877 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:48 - Jun 29 by pikeypaul |
Lisa,the trouble is very little ever reaches Swansea,WAG still thinks we should be grateful for the museum we got years ago costing about £1million,whilst endless millions gets spent in Cardiff.Its no wonder most down here would prefer money spent on the NHS over the arts,culture,etc.
It's the same with the English regions total disparity in funding with London receiving all the cream.
It's no surprise the way the vote went regionally last week with the "'I am alright Jack" remainers in
areas such as London and Cardiff wanting everything to remain the same and the totally neglected areas saying we want out. |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:12 - Jun 29 with 857 views | raynor94 |
"For heaven's sake go man" you are killing the Labour party! |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:16 - Jun 29 with 849 views | acejack3065 |
Half the posters criticise Lisa without reading her posts most of the time. And when they do read and respond, they find themselves incapable of doing so without resorting to base insults or sexism. |  | | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:17 - Jun 29 with 848 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 17:48 - Jun 29 by pikeypaul |
Lisa,the trouble is very little ever reaches Swansea,WAG still thinks we should be grateful for the museum we got years ago costing about £1million,whilst endless millions gets spent in Cardiff.Its no wonder most down here would prefer money spent on the NHS over the arts,culture,etc.
It's the same with the English regions total disparity in funding with London receiving all the cream.
It's no surprise the way the vote went regionally last week with the "'I am alright Jack" remainers in
areas such as London and Cardiff wanting everything to remain the same and the totally neglected areas saying we want out. |
Of course - I have been very vocal about the disparity in both Wales and the UK as a whole for ages.
I think it's absolutely disgusting, in both cases. Most people in London desperately want the situation to change by the way. We have terrible housing and infrastructure problems because of it. In England there is some shift from it, as public services are moved and stuff like the BBC. Also concepts such as 'Northern Powerhouse' - it's not perfect but better than it was.
In Wales, the disparity is utterly obscene. Welsh Labour are an utter shambles.
But I personally think that the one place which did share it out a bit more fairly was the EU (at least some projects in Swansea are being funded). But that's by the by,
My point about the opera house is irrelevant to that. Wales is renowned for our arts, and it's (to me) an incredibly important part of our national identity. Arts funding in Wales is very small compared to things like the NHS (rightly so) but we can't cut it out completely and just spend more and more on only the NHS (which already is close to half the total Welsh budget - more than any other place in the UK). The Welsh government makes an annual grant to the Welsh Arts Council, which funds all sorts of stuff, same as to the sports council of Wales.
In Swansea, we are blessed with wonderful arts and music - the Brangwyn, the Dylan Thomas, the Glyn Vivian, the Grand, the Swansea festival, the Jazz festival (we lack a good venue for bands).
I'd hate to see that go. and it's right that Wales has a national centre for the Welsh National Opera, the NOW, etc etc. shame it has to be in Cardiff, but that's to be expected I guess. Saying that I want people in Swansea 'TO DIE' when my whole family live in Swansea is pathetic to be frank.
I hate this notion of some stuff only being for the toffs - why should they get everything and everyone else is left with a cultural wasteland of z-list celebrity tat? | | | |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:19 - Jun 29 with 834 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Labour about to collapse. on 16:46 - Jun 29 by londonlisa2001 |
You could divert every single penny to the NHS and it still wouldn't have everything it needs.
The Welsh government spends more per head on the NHS than any other part of the UK.
Looking for better use of that money would be a place to start, not the arts budget. Get rid of free prescriptions for the middle classes for one thing. I pay for prescriptions, why the hell should someone well off in Cardiff or The Vale not pay for theirs? |
Lisa, are you a new labour voter? You seem to hold the traditionalists like Corbyn in high contempt. |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:23 - Jun 29 with 816 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:19 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
Lisa, are you a new labour voter? You seem to hold the traditionalists like Corbyn in high contempt. |
No.
Why do you say I hold Corbyn in contempt by the way? I think he's unelectable, but thats not the same thing.
Edited to add - for clarity, I think that Diane Abbott is useless - is that what you mean? [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 18:26]
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:27 - Jun 29 with 806 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:23 - Jun 29 by londonlisa2001 |
No.
Why do you say I hold Corbyn in contempt by the way? I think he's unelectable, but thats not the same thing.
Edited to add - for clarity, I think that Diane Abbott is useless - is that what you mean? [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 18:26]
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It just seemed that way. Sorry if I've I misread you.
Is it the man you find unelectable or the left wing nature of his policies? | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:33 - Jun 29 with 799 views | Private_Partz |
| Labour about to collapse. on 00:09 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
Campbell - what an utter scumbag he is.He was nearly crying with frustration earlier on TV after being reminded of the fact Corbyn was elected with a landslide majority against the moderate saps that Campbell favours.
It was he and Tony that destroyed labour, now they're tryng to destroy the man the membership (that is the REAL party) elected with an overwhelming mandate.
I hope he stands firm and purges his b*stastds (c John Major) out of the Labour party for good. The PLP have treacherously stabbed their boss repeatedly - and I hope when he's re elected he wastes no time in killing off the last remaining elements of the Blair era.
F*ck Campbell, Blair, Eagle, Bryant and any other Blairite scum. Reform the SDP you utter c*nts |
To right Royal Brynnie.
And the we have Milliband queuing up with the knockers. Ed Millband, the man who lost the last election after being begged to resign as his perceived buffoonery was wrecking the campaign! This from politicians who actually agreed with his policies.
True JC could lose the next Leadership Challenge. He could win with a massively reduced support. In such circumstances then some heart searching maybe necessary and he may have to support the nearest candidates that supports his vision.
However if he wins by a similar margin, or even an increased one, then the gloves are off. It is time for deselection at local level and the Blairites and treacherous can be shown the door. I am glad Complacent Carwyn has finally jumped on the bandwagon. He, the closet Tory, can be the first one out the door. |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:37 - Jun 29 with 782 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Labour about to collapse. on 10:23 - Jun 29 by Wingstandwood |
The very Rhodri Morgan that decided a white elephant opera house (WAG cash approx approx £70 Million and rising) was priority over a desperately required cancer scanner in Singleton Hospital.
And remember folks!...... SW Wales regional cancer chief resigned in protest to protect his patients and to draw attention to a disgusting political travesty. Yeah that f#cking opera house in Cardiff Bay that nobody wanted and that had to be bailed (and is still being bailed) out because it was in serious debt and loses millions every year.
Quote Rhodri on the current Labour crisis?
He said: "What we've got at the moment is the guacamole sort of people not blending with the mushy peas people at all............. Mr quacamole has spoken! [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 11:20]
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Are you implying that Rhodri Morgan was given a direct choice between two spending possibilities and he could only spend the same money one one of them, the choice being a cancer scanner for Singleton Hospital or an opera house for Cardiff? And he chose the opera house?
Utter, abject nonsense. For a whole number of reasons that I can't be arsed to go into here. And a fairly scurrilous lie to perpetuate just to make a point on the Internet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 18:40]
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:41 - Jun 29 with 775 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:33 - Jun 29 by Private_Partz |
To right Royal Brynnie.
And the we have Milliband queuing up with the knockers. Ed Millband, the man who lost the last election after being begged to resign as his perceived buffoonery was wrecking the campaign! This from politicians who actually agreed with his policies.
True JC could lose the next Leadership Challenge. He could win with a massively reduced support. In such circumstances then some heart searching maybe necessary and he may have to support the nearest candidates that supports his vision.
However if he wins by a similar margin, or even an increased one, then the gloves are off. It is time for deselection at local level and the Blairites and treacherous can be shown the door. I am glad Complacent Carwyn has finally jumped on the bandwagon. He, the closet Tory, can be the first one out the door. |
It's a sickness that has infected the party over many years. The bottom line is that the country needs an alternative to the Tories, not just a lighter shade of blue.
Milliband has no right at all to criticise ANYONE after his unbelievably sh*t general election campaign, Carwyn's a w*nker and all the rebels have been given a boost today by a man closer to their hearts - David Cameron. When so called Labour politicians are being backed by a Tory leader it's quite an indication that maybe THEY are the ones out of place, not Corbyn. | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 18:49 - Jun 29 with 763 views | acejack3065 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:37 - Jun 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Are you implying that Rhodri Morgan was given a direct choice between two spending possibilities and he could only spend the same money one one of them, the choice being a cancer scanner for Singleton Hospital or an opera house for Cardiff? And he chose the opera house?
Utter, abject nonsense. For a whole number of reasons that I can't be arsed to go into here. And a fairly scurrilous lie to perpetuate just to make a point on the Internet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 18:40]
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One of his other profiles will be along to tell you off in a minute! | | | |
| Labour about to collapse. on 19:05 - Jun 29 with 735 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:37 - Jun 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Are you implying that Rhodri Morgan was given a direct choice between two spending possibilities and he could only spend the same money one one of them, the choice being a cancer scanner for Singleton Hospital or an opera house for Cardiff? And he chose the opera house?
Utter, abject nonsense. For a whole number of reasons that I can't be arsed to go into here. And a fairly scurrilous lie to perpetuate just to make a point on the Internet. [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 18:40]
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Oh dear the facts are out! Go away go away now! | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 19:07 - Jun 29 with 730 views | Joe_bradshaw |
I don't think Cameron really meant it when he told Corbyn to go.
Just a hunch. |  |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 19:12 - Jun 29 with 718 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Labour about to collapse. on 19:05 - Jun 29 by Wingstandwood |
Oh dear the facts are out! Go away go away now! |
As I suspected. | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 19:18 - Jun 29 with 701 views | Wingstandwood |
| Labour about to collapse. on 19:12 - Jun 29 by exiledclaseboy |
As I suspected. |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 22:58 - Jun 29 with 624 views | pikeypaul |
| Labour about to collapse. on 19:07 - Jun 29 by Joe_bradshaw |
I don't think Cameron really meant it when he told Corbyn to go.
Just a hunch. |
Cameron and the whole Tory party realise it is in their best interests the unelectable woodwork teacher stays in his posistion as leader of the misfits. [Post edited 29 Jun 2016 23:54]
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| Labour about to collapse. on 23:09 - Jun 29 with 614 views | jackrabbit |
| Labour about to collapse. on 18:19 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
Lisa, are you a new labour voter? You seem to hold the traditionalists like Corbyn in high contempt. |
Corbyn a 'traditionalist'! That made me smile. No I lie, it made me guffaw. I'm not a Labour voter but if I was, there is no way I would view Corbyn as anything other than a Trotskyite agent of the unions and the hard left. He's a metropolitan socialist whose sphere of interest revolves around Islington-Camden Town and has absolutely no meaning to working people doing ordinary jobs, living ordinary lives with ordinary aspirations and living in ordinary parts of the country, outside his north London enclave. Corbyn does not have a clue as to how people like that live their lives and what their concerns and worries are. Hence the rise of UKIP.
My dad was a South Wales miner - long dead- and I know that he and his work mates would have seen Corbyn as a schoolboy socialist - a trivial idealist. How can anybody take him seriously? He is pathetic. It's Labour's problem and a serious one for them of their own making, but it's also the country's problem, as a healthy democracy must have a viable Opposition, and we've got nothing at the moment. Even Cameron is telling him to go. The man has the dignity and self-awareness of a slug, because a real man would put the welfare of his party -and the country - before his own ambitions. He must know that he's unelectable but refuses to acknowledge it. A proud party like Labour deserves much better than this. |  | | |
| Labour about to collapse. on 23:55 - Jun 29 with 584 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Labour about to collapse. on 23:09 - Jun 29 by jackrabbit |
Corbyn a 'traditionalist'! That made me smile. No I lie, it made me guffaw. I'm not a Labour voter but if I was, there is no way I would view Corbyn as anything other than a Trotskyite agent of the unions and the hard left. He's a metropolitan socialist whose sphere of interest revolves around Islington-Camden Town and has absolutely no meaning to working people doing ordinary jobs, living ordinary lives with ordinary aspirations and living in ordinary parts of the country, outside his north London enclave. Corbyn does not have a clue as to how people like that live their lives and what their concerns and worries are. Hence the rise of UKIP.
My dad was a South Wales miner - long dead- and I know that he and his work mates would have seen Corbyn as a schoolboy socialist - a trivial idealist. How can anybody take him seriously? He is pathetic. It's Labour's problem and a serious one for them of their own making, but it's also the country's problem, as a healthy democracy must have a viable Opposition, and we've got nothing at the moment. Even Cameron is telling him to go. The man has the dignity and self-awareness of a slug, because a real man would put the welfare of his party -and the country - before his own ambitions. He must know that he's unelectable but refuses to acknowledge it. A proud party like Labour deserves much better than this. |
So you're saying that your dad would approve of the PLP overthrowing a socialist in favour of a centre right candidate?
You won't get any prospective Nye Bevans coming through under the control of the cossetted Blairite infiltrators so Corbyn is the only answer as I see it. | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 00:05 - Jun 30 with 579 views | raynor94 |
| Labour about to collapse. on 23:09 - Jun 29 by jackrabbit |
Corbyn a 'traditionalist'! That made me smile. No I lie, it made me guffaw. I'm not a Labour voter but if I was, there is no way I would view Corbyn as anything other than a Trotskyite agent of the unions and the hard left. He's a metropolitan socialist whose sphere of interest revolves around Islington-Camden Town and has absolutely no meaning to working people doing ordinary jobs, living ordinary lives with ordinary aspirations and living in ordinary parts of the country, outside his north London enclave. Corbyn does not have a clue as to how people like that live their lives and what their concerns and worries are. Hence the rise of UKIP.
My dad was a South Wales miner - long dead- and I know that he and his work mates would have seen Corbyn as a schoolboy socialist - a trivial idealist. How can anybody take him seriously? He is pathetic. It's Labour's problem and a serious one for them of their own making, but it's also the country's problem, as a healthy democracy must have a viable Opposition, and we've got nothing at the moment. Even Cameron is telling him to go. The man has the dignity and self-awareness of a slug, because a real man would put the welfare of his party -and the country - before his own ambitions. He must know that he's unelectable but refuses to acknowledge it. A proud party like Labour deserves much better than this. |
That is a superb post! | |
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| Labour about to collapse. on 00:42 - Jun 30 with 566 views | Ebo |
The view that any sort of Labour government was better than the Tories is what gave us New Labour and Tony Blair. The consequences of that in terms of the Iraq war, PFI, deregulation, market models for the public sector, inequality, the securitisation of the state and more are still with us and will get worse.
Those opposing Jeremy Corbyn have no answers to these problems and the vacuum in political life and public debate which followed New Labour’s move to the right is what gave us Brexit.
The Leadership of Jeremy Corbyn has been the subject of the most savage campaign of falsehood and misrepresentation. The reason is , that he and others such as John McDonnell have offered for the first time in over 20 years, the possibility of forming a socialist alternative in mainstream politics. This is a critical development which those on the left should support in any way we can. |  |
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