| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:13 - May 23 with 1096 views | perchrockjack |
Was thinking the same Paul.
Mine has been many times with my missus to MEN to see girlie acts
This venue seems to have been targetting young girls
I've seen much wickedness in my life but this is right up there
Muslims have to deal with this . Ideally ,a massive rally in London on the lines of ..not in my name
Do we now seek to engage ISIS and who should negotiate |  |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:19 - May 23 with 1086 views | Professor |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:13 - May 23 by perchrockjack |
Was thinking the same Paul.
Mine has been many times with my missus to MEN to see girlie acts
This venue seems to have been targetting young girls
I've seen much wickedness in my life but this is right up there
Muslims have to deal with this . Ideally ,a massive rally in London on the lines of ..not in my name
Do we now seek to engage ISIS and who should negotiate |
Absolutely-this was clearly an act to kill and maim young girls.
These vile creatures will not negotiate | | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:26 - May 23 with 1055 views | perchrockjack |
So...it's all out war ,Paul
For them to be eradicated ,we need to be united ,Muslims especially along with us and merciless ,as they are.
I'm really quite intelligentand interviewed some evil feckers in my time but I'm struggling to understand the mentality of someone who, on a pleasant evening,pops along to a kids concert and detonates a device | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:33 - May 23 with 1047 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:19 - May 23 by Professor |
Absolutely-this was clearly an act to kill and maim young girls.
These vile creatures will not negotiate |
That's the point. How could you negotiate with a lone wolf nutter that just decides one morning to empty the cutlery draw, jump in the car and go on a killing spree??
Ditto last nights attacker. This Hydra has millions of heads. At least the IRA were a body with a hierarchy. You can negotiate with a hierarchy. |  |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:40 - May 23 with 1021 views | perchrockjack |
Fair point Bryn although their mantra is still religion based .
If we cannot negotiate then wechavecto search and eliminate them relentlessly
nothing justifys last night .nothing | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:51 - May 23 with 999 views | blueytheblue |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:33 - May 23 by Brynmill_Jack |
That's the point. How could you negotiate with a lone wolf nutter that just decides one morning to empty the cutlery draw, jump in the car and go on a killing spree??
Ditto last nights attacker. This Hydra has millions of heads. At least the IRA were a body with a hierarchy. You can negotiate with a hierarchy. |
The "lone wolf nutter" mantra is used to persuade the public there's not really a major problem.
Getting a knife from cutlery drawer, jumping into car. Simple things everyone can do.
Making an explosive? Somewhat different, could have been a lone wolf but chances are it was someone with help, with resources.
IRA scum, you're right - there was a hierarchy. There's a hierarchy within Daesh of sorts - difference being there's no will, no desire, no interest in negotiating despite the claims of some politicians.
I'm sick of the platitudes. Community spirit, extremists don't represent communities, carry on and don't give them what they want. There are at least 22 dead. Start by addressing that fact first of all.
People are way too hung up on "rights" whilst ignoring responsibilities and consequences. How very dare intelligence services do their best to detect attacks before they happen by covert means. Let's handicap their ability to do their job, prevent such attacks in the wonderful notion of pretending we're wonderful with full rights... one side doesn't play by rules, doesn't care for rules, doesn't care for rights. Our weakness is being exploited and laughed at. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:09 - May 23 with 950 views | perchrockjack |
Bluesy.
If these people are or were caught ,we would spend time and money giving them a fair trial then keep them comfortable in prison
Our pitiful navel gazing ,reflective insouchiance isn't helping when it comes to eliminating these people.
Soldiers have been sent to prison for breaking the " rules" , rules which are deadly...for us
Let's first see 100000 Muslims on the streets of London tonight | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:21 - May 23 with 927 views | blueytheblue |
Perchie, rule of law is everything... terrorists, soldiers, both equally culpable for atrocities. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:26 - May 23 with 916 views | Humpty |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 10:00 - May 23 by perchrockjack |
No matter who or what has been bombed in the Middle East, British citizens should not be doing this . Our bombing doesn't help but neither does their indiscriminate bombing
It's fundamentalism , it's religion based .
Our involvement in foreign wars does not justify this slaughter |
Of course it doesn't. And I've not seen anyone at all saying it does. |  | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:28 - May 23 with 912 views | yescomeon |
Thoughts go out to the families of not just the dead but the injured too. Often with these things you look at the headline 22 dead and think "those poor souls". But there will be many with not just physical, but mental injuries from this attack, and I hope they get all the help and support they need.
This problem of terrorism stems from inequality in society, and marginalised, disenfranchised individuals. Jihad gives them the platform, terrorist networks give them the means. You can't fight an idea, the concept of Jihad will always be there, but there are many other ideas that people will kill each other over, religion, or just as bad, probably worse ,the idea of the nation state.
As well as dismantling the networks, breaking up cells we need to work towards a more balanced, fairer and inclusive society. These attacks are done to provoke a reaction, to fracture society. We can't give them that reaction, we can't let them win. |  |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:30 - May 23 with 900 views | Legend83 |
Makes me want to vomit that on the one hand we have repugnant slaughter within our shores of women and children by Islamic extremists, and on the other the likes of May and Trump making state visits to Saudi Arabia to sign multi-billion dollar arms deals. | | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:30 - May 23 with 896 views | Humpty |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:09 - May 23 by perchrockjack |
Bluesy.
If these people are or were caught ,we would spend time and money giving them a fair trial then keep them comfortable in prison
Our pitiful navel gazing ,reflective insouchiance isn't helping when it comes to eliminating these people.
Soldiers have been sent to prison for breaking the " rules" , rules which are deadly...for us
Let's first see 100000 Muslims on the streets of London tonight |
Whenever any of these atrocities happen, muslims do speak out.
They always do. Muslims demonstrated on Westminster Bridge a few months ago.
You always seem to miss them though. | | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:35 - May 23 with 881 views | Humpty |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:30 - May 23 by Legend83 |
Makes me want to vomit that on the one hand we have repugnant slaughter within our shores of women and children by Islamic extremists, and on the other the likes of May and Trump making state visits to Saudi Arabia to sign multi-billion dollar arms deals. |
This. One country in particular is spreading this kind of twisted version of Islam. And it's Saudi Arabia.
And all our Governments, whether Labour or Conservative, suck up to them. I'm not making a party political point, they both do it. America as well, no matter who is in charge.
Time it stopped. [Post edited 23 May 2017 11:36]
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:38 - May 23 with 874 views | MrSwerve |
BREAKING:
The Arndale Centre, Manchester, has been evacuated, it's been reported.
A man was been filmed being escorted away from the Arndale Centre, Manchester, amidst reports of a 'parcel' being found in the food court.
Armed police cleared the area around the food court and sniffer dogs were sent in. |  |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:39 - May 23 with 869 views | MrSwerve |
Witnesses say they heard shots fired. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:43 - May 23 with 853 views | lifelong |
It's unimaginable what the families of these poor young people are going through, thoughts are very much with them on this very sad day...horrific. |  | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:44 - May 23 with 847 views | Highjack |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:28 - May 23 by yescomeon |
Thoughts go out to the families of not just the dead but the injured too. Often with these things you look at the headline 22 dead and think "those poor souls". But there will be many with not just physical, but mental injuries from this attack, and I hope they get all the help and support they need.
This problem of terrorism stems from inequality in society, and marginalised, disenfranchised individuals. Jihad gives them the platform, terrorist networks give them the means. You can't fight an idea, the concept of Jihad will always be there, but there are many other ideas that people will kill each other over, religion, or just as bad, probably worse ,the idea of the nation state.
As well as dismantling the networks, breaking up cells we need to work towards a more balanced, fairer and inclusive society. These attacks are done to provoke a reaction, to fracture society. We can't give them that reaction, we can't let them win. |
We welcome these people in and give them comfortable, free, peaceful lives they never would have dreamed of in their war torn homelands. They get put in decent housing and are welcome to the same rights and freedoms as anyone else in this country. They can use our schools and our hospitals and have all the perks living in 21st century Britain gives you. And nobody minds because most are law abiding people quietly going about their normal lives.
To somehow turn this around and blame Britain and British society for some batshit crazy bastard strapping a bomb to himself and killing a load of kids because his c unt of an imaginary God told him to is not the answer. |  |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:44 - May 23 with 845 views | MrSwerve |
Some people on social media saying a part of Swansea is being evacuated due to suspect package? Any truth in this? Also council offices in Port Talbot? | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:46 - May 23 with 837 views | blueytheblue |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:28 - May 23 by yescomeon |
Thoughts go out to the families of not just the dead but the injured too. Often with these things you look at the headline 22 dead and think "those poor souls". But there will be many with not just physical, but mental injuries from this attack, and I hope they get all the help and support they need.
This problem of terrorism stems from inequality in society, and marginalised, disenfranchised individuals. Jihad gives them the platform, terrorist networks give them the means. You can't fight an idea, the concept of Jihad will always be there, but there are many other ideas that people will kill each other over, religion, or just as bad, probably worse ,the idea of the nation state.
As well as dismantling the networks, breaking up cells we need to work towards a more balanced, fairer and inclusive society. These attacks are done to provoke a reaction, to fracture society. We can't give them that reaction, we can't let them win. |
Or,. you know, remove those who preach hate from Britain. Remove those who indoctrinate the vulnerable especially in prisons. Work on dealing with those unwilling to even learn English, unwilling to accept British norms and values - breeding grounds for extremism, bringing over unacceptable views from certain parts of the world. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:05 - May 23 with 789 views | yescomeon |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:44 - May 23 by Highjack |
We welcome these people in and give them comfortable, free, peaceful lives they never would have dreamed of in their war torn homelands. They get put in decent housing and are welcome to the same rights and freedoms as anyone else in this country. They can use our schools and our hospitals and have all the perks living in 21st century Britain gives you. And nobody minds because most are law abiding people quietly going about their normal lives.
To somehow turn this around and blame Britain and British society for some batshit crazy bastard strapping a bomb to himself and killing a load of kids because his c unt of an imaginary God told him to is not the answer. |
It's rarely the first generation immigrants that are the problem though is it. It's the second generation, those born here and have never experienced how bad it can be elsewhere. There are plenty of British whose family have been here many many generations who feel disenfranchised, or marginalised. They might be drawn to different ideologies, like the far right or left, which don't have the same ready made networks or drive for recruitment.
It's simple, if you are doing well in life and happy, you don't do this kind of thing. And I wasn't bashing British society, we have a very fair and inclusive society at the moment, and we shouldn't surrender that. It is more a comment on inequality, which is getting worse in this country, with this being one of the consequences of that. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:09 - May 23 with 760 views | yescomeon |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 11:46 - May 23 by blueytheblue |
Or,. you know, remove those who preach hate from Britain. Remove those who indoctrinate the vulnerable especially in prisons. Work on dealing with those unwilling to even learn English, unwilling to accept British norms and values - breeding grounds for extremism, bringing over unacceptable views from certain parts of the world. |
I don't see how that is "or", it's part of dismantling terror network. Those who come here to spread hate or carry out acts of terror should be sent back. Those who want to be here should be helped to integrate. The problem is, that ideas cross borders no matter how strict they are, especially in this digital age. | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:12 - May 23 with 752 views | blueytheblue |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:09 - May 23 by yescomeon |
I don't see how that is "or", it's part of dismantling terror network. Those who come here to spread hate or carry out acts of terror should be sent back. Those who want to be here should be helped to integrate. The problem is, that ideas cross borders no matter how strict they are, especially in this digital age. |
Agree about the digital age.
The problem is, any intelligence counter-measures on that score get shot down for "invasion of privacy", showing ignorance of what is looked for by intelligence services ( hint; what you ate for tea is neither interesting nor important ). | |
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| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:22 - May 23 with 716 views | Aquinas |
The talks of lax security has made me appreciate how lucky we were that nothing happened at the euros last summer. Almost every game someone managed to sneak in a flare, it could have easily been a bomb or small weapon.
Any talk of Labour sneaking a victory at the GE ended last night. |  | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:30 - May 23 with 683 views | DrGonzo |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:22 - May 23 by Aquinas |
The talks of lax security has made me appreciate how lucky we were that nothing happened at the euros last summer. Almost every game someone managed to sneak in a flare, it could have easily been a bomb or small weapon.
Any talk of Labour sneaking a victory at the GE ended last night. |
Sick. This has nothing to do with Labour. |  | | |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:31 - May 23 with 681 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Suspected explosion at Manchester Arena concert. on 12:22 - May 23 by Aquinas |
The talks of lax security has made me appreciate how lucky we were that nothing happened at the euros last summer. Almost every game someone managed to sneak in a flare, it could have easily been a bomb or small weapon.
Any talk of Labour sneaking a victory at the GE ended last night. |
Utter b*llocks. Is your view based on how Jeremy "helped" the IRA?
I have no faith in Teresa may. All she wants to do is feather her mates nest in big business. As if any government could have stopped last nights attack.
Let's not politicize this incident please. | |
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